Joe Maddon opts out
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Maddon is a smart fellow for many reasons. He'll be a great manager for the Cubs if they land him.
Heck of a time to leave on his part - Rays are good but he's got a chance to get a big guaranteed money deal with a contender now.
Heck of a time to leave on his part - Rays are good but he's got a chance to get a big guaranteed money deal with a contender now.
Re: matheny to the Cubs for Maddon
Wasn't he still playing the year mentioned?
Guys we need to back off Metheny, because he isn't going anywhere for a while. I'm as big a critic for some of his game decisions as the next guy, but I do give him high marks in the way he leads his team and how they seem to respect him in return. That actually is more difficult when you are dealing with 12-15 millionaires.
Wasn't he still playing the year mentioned?
Guys we need to back off Metheny, because he isn't going anywhere for a while. I'm as big a critic for some of his game decisions as the next guy, but I do give him high marks in the way he leads his team and how they seem to respect him in return. That actually is more difficult when you are dealing with 12-15 millionaires.
Re: matheny to the Cubs for Maddon
Eagles, as long as Dewitt and Mozeliak are happy enough, he'll be here.
It was Westminister.
Eagles, as long as Dewitt and Mozeliak are happy enough, he'll be here.
It was Westminister.
Re: matheny to the Cubs for Maddon
So Matheny had "something" to do with a team that lost in the state semi finals and he's a horrible coach/manager for that? There is a lot of pretty good coaches that have never had the chance to lose that game.
So Matheny had "something" to do with a team that lost in the state semi finals and he's a horrible coach/manager for that? There is a lot of pretty good coaches that have never had the chance to lose that game.
Re: matheny to the Cubs for Maddon
Not a comment about Matheny specifically but it's kind of crazy that MLB hires so many managers with zero game management experience.
In the NFL, nhl, and nba they all have X's and O's experience or have key people on the bench running the plays. In MLB many have no game management experience. It's not a shock that nearly all of the MLB managers are woeful at tactics.
This post was edited on 10/26 7:36 PM by Neutron Monster
Not a comment about Matheny specifically but it's kind of crazy that MLB hires so many managers with zero game management experience.
In the NFL, nhl, and nba they all have X's and O's experience or have key people on the bench running the plays. In MLB many have no game management experience. It's not a shock that nearly all of the MLB managers are woeful at tactics.
This post was edited on 10/26 7:36 PM by Neutron Monster
Re: matheny to the Cubs for Maddon
Not sure about 05 cards21, can't remember, but I know WC beat Westminister in 06 when Mack was a freshman and I think Andy Benes had a son playing and thought he also helped. Mack got plunked in the head in that one ha! 05 is when Brayden Drake played lights out. They beat Scott Elbert from Seneca that year in districts and in final four Drake had a hit every time up.
Re: matheny to the Cubs for Maddon
06...sorry. 05 school year. Bene's had a son there. Heck, didn't Worrell have a son on that team too?
I don't remember much about Westminster because I didn't pitch against them. I was out in the pen all game.
I remember the Elbert game very well. Drake hit the first pitch off the flag pole in Carthage for an inside the park homerun....and the only hit of the game
06...sorry. 05 school year. Bene's had a son there. Heck, didn't Worrell have a son on that team too?
I don't remember much about Westminster because I didn't pitch against them. I was out in the pen all game.
I remember the Elbert game very well. Drake hit the first pitch off the flag pole in Carthage for an inside the park homerun....and the only hit of the game
Re: matheny to the Cubs for Maddon
Not that it really matters, but I think that Andy Benes and Todd Worrell were the former Cardinals that helped with Westminister. This is a silly argument anyway. There are enough issues with the Cards to discuss without looking at some high school team.
Not that it really matters, but I think that Andy Benes and Todd Worrell were the former Cardinals that helped with Westminister. This is a silly argument anyway. There are enough issues with the Cards to discuss without looking at some high school team.
Re: matheny to the Cubs for Maddon
I'll take my chances with Matheny. He is young and still learning and in my humble opinion very successful. MO will get rid of him when he thinks it is time and I am willing to bet he knows more than all of us!
I'll take my chances with Matheny. He is young and still learning and in my humble opinion very successful. MO will get rid of him when he thinks it is time and I am willing to bet he knows more than all of us!
Re: Matheny took a WS champ (2011) and cant beat SF
I get more involved in the process, rather than the results. If the process had been there, and the results still weren't...that's one thing...but that wasn't the case.
He's got to learn decision-making in the post-season isn't the same as managing during the regular season.
This post was edited on 10/29 9:23 AM by Eagles_Ball
Because he made horrid decisions during the games. And the Birds defense went south along the way.
I get more involved in the process, rather than the results. If the process had been there, and the results still weren't...that's one thing...but that wasn't the case.
He's got to learn decision-making in the post-season isn't the same as managing during the regular season.
This post was edited on 10/29 9:23 AM by Eagles_Ball
Re: Matheny took a WS champ (2011) and cant beat SF
He did make some strange decisions but he didn't cause Molina's injury, he didn't make one error on the field and he didn't make Peralta or Holliday go in the dumpster in the playoffs. No one managing that team would have started anyone other than Peralta and Holliday.
He did make some strange decisions but he didn't cause Molina's injury, he didn't make one error on the field and he didn't make Peralta or Holliday go in the dumpster in the playoffs. No one managing that team would have started anyone other than Peralta and Holliday.
Re: Matheny took a WS champ (2011) and cant beat SF
San Fran has ONE good pitcher, but he is dominate in the postseason and that is what you need in a short series. The fact is that if Kershaw had been Kershaw the Cards wouldn't have gotten out of the Division Series.
Anyone could see this team has a few issues all year long. Yes they could have easily won it all if Wainright had done what Baumgartner did, but so could have Washington, LA, the Angels, Baltimore, or the A's.
San Fran has ONE good pitcher, but he is dominate in the postseason and that is what you need in a short series. The fact is that if Kershaw had been Kershaw the Cards wouldn't have gotten out of the Division Series.
Anyone could see this team has a few issues all year long. Yes they could have easily won it all if Wainright had done what Baumgartner did, but so could have Washington, LA, the Angels, Baltimore, or the A's.
I know there's been a lot of talk about it, but I don't think it's a slam dunk that the Cubs should sign Lester unless he takes a really front-loaded deal.
Cubs success window is still more 2016-2020 than 2015. This team's 2014 Pythagorean W-L was still 71-91 including the performance of the SPs they traded at the deadline that they won't have on their roster for 2015. They aren't one or two players away in 2015. They shouldn't be willing to mortgage the future to try to be 10 wins better; that only gets them to being a .500 team. They would be better off signing a younger FA, signing an older one on a shorter-term deal, or signing Lester to a front loaded deal.
This is a team that shouldn't be locking up 2017-2020 payroll on guys who will be overpaid then.
They have to spent money on someone, I get that. Their payroll is well managed to where they can sign guys, and they should be looking to sign someone today who still adds a lot of value come 2017. I'm just not sure he would be my signing.
Lester has that "pay a guy too much after a big season" feeling to me. 4 years, $90 M or 5 years, $100 M with some frontloading would be good contracts. 6 years would be blech. 5 years at $25 M each would also be blech.
Cubs success window is still more 2016-2020 than 2015. This team's 2014 Pythagorean W-L was still 71-91 including the performance of the SPs they traded at the deadline that they won't have on their roster for 2015. They aren't one or two players away in 2015. They shouldn't be willing to mortgage the future to try to be 10 wins better; that only gets them to being a .500 team. They would be better off signing a younger FA, signing an older one on a shorter-term deal, or signing Lester to a front loaded deal.
This is a team that shouldn't be locking up 2017-2020 payroll on guys who will be overpaid then.
They have to spent money on someone, I get that. Their payroll is well managed to where they can sign guys, and they should be looking to sign someone today who still adds a lot of value come 2017. I'm just not sure he would be my signing.
Lester has that "pay a guy too much after a big season" feeling to me. 4 years, $90 M or 5 years, $100 M with some frontloading would be good contracts. 6 years would be blech. 5 years at $25 M each would also be blech.
I don't really want to get into a bidding war for Lester. Front loaded....maybe he bites, not sure. I am sure Theo has been on the phone with him since he legally could. They have a long history together
SP's from last year. Don't get me started on the value of Shark in the rotation. Very overrated. VERY. Hammels could actually end up back in Chicago. Not sure if that is the direction they want to go, but it is possible. I could also see them going after Kenta Madea if he is posted. He could be put into the mid-back end of the rotation very easily.
C.J. Edwards and Pierce Johnson could also just as easily make their MLB Debuts. If that is the case, I assume the Pythagorean W/L has Edwin Jackson included? Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....go ahead and mark his name off the list. He won't be in Chicago much longer. Good guy, but man did he freakin tank.
Masterson is on the rumor mill. Not sure how I feel about that either. Could easily be Edwin Jackson 2.0. Who knows
Mad Max.....That could be the interesting one to watch for. Not sure what is going to happen with hiim. Not sure where he wants to be or what he is going to start asking for
The other trump card the Cubs have....Trade value. They have some big name young guys that could be traded. Baez being the most likely. Also Dan Vogelbach, will be traded eventually to the AL for a pitcher, he is a DH playing 1st.
SP's from last year. Don't get me started on the value of Shark in the rotation. Very overrated. VERY. Hammels could actually end up back in Chicago. Not sure if that is the direction they want to go, but it is possible. I could also see them going after Kenta Madea if he is posted. He could be put into the mid-back end of the rotation very easily.
C.J. Edwards and Pierce Johnson could also just as easily make their MLB Debuts. If that is the case, I assume the Pythagorean W/L has Edwin Jackson included? Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....go ahead and mark his name off the list. He won't be in Chicago much longer. Good guy, but man did he freakin tank.
Masterson is on the rumor mill. Not sure how I feel about that either. Could easily be Edwin Jackson 2.0. Who knows
Mad Max.....That could be the interesting one to watch for. Not sure what is going to happen with hiim. Not sure where he wants to be or what he is going to start asking for
The other trump card the Cubs have....Trade value. They have some big name young guys that could be traded. Baez being the most likely. Also Dan Vogelbach, will be traded eventually to the AL for a pitcher, he is a DH playing 1st.
