Jay Feely on Tim Tebow

[Duck_walk]

Jay Feely has been a kicker with nine different NFL teams. He has seen more different players in training camps than anyone on this board and he likes Tim Tebow.

"He’s such a dichotomy for me,” said former Florida Bobcats, Tampa Storm, Atlanta Falcons, New York Giants, Miami Dolphins, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Jets, Arizona Cardinals and Chicago Bears kicker Jay Feely to Jim Rome. “Because I really respect the person, the man, the things that he believes in and the things he does off the field. He was the single-worst quarterback I ever saw in my career in the NFL.”

He went on to describe a session in practice where Tebow couldn't complete a pass during routes on air. For those not acquainted with that term its a session with no DBs where the QB knows the routes and he still couldn't complete the passes. Those are his words, not mine. I'm sure Tebow is a world class athlete though. Bahahaha.

 

[wcowherd]

Yeah, I think it's pretty clear to anyone that cares about things like statistics that Tebow is one of the worst QBs in the league.

 

[MarcAsai]

Tebow may be terrible, but Feely never played on the same team as him and both were out of the league this year. Feely has never had the opportunity to watch Tebow throw in practice.

Why lie just to pile on?

At this point you'd think Tebow ate virgin puppies.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Tebow may be terrible, but Feely never played on the same team as him and both were out of the league this year. Feely has never had the opportunity to watch Tebow throw in practice.

Why lie just to pile on?

At this point you'd think Tebow ate virgin puppies.

Ducky misspoke. Article states Feely and then Cardinals HC Ken Wisenhunt watched Tebow warmup prior to a game against Denver...FWIW, the article was written after Feely made the remarks while on Jim Rome's show. Pretty sure the video is in the article below.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...as-the-single-worst-qb-i-ever-saw-lost-to-air

 

[Duck_walk]

Yes I should have said pre-game instead of practice.

 

[wc3peat]

Jay Feely has been a kicker with nine different NFL teams. He has seen more different players in training camps than anyone on this board and he likes Tim Tebow.

"He’s such a dichotomy for me,” said former Florida Bobcats, Tampa Storm, Atlanta Falcons, New York Giants, Miami Dolphins, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Jets, Arizona Cardinals and Chicago Bears kicker Jay Feely to Jim Rome. “Because I really respect the person, the man, the things that he believes in and the things he does off the field. He was the single-worst quarterback I ever saw in my career in the NFL.”

He went on to describe a session in practice where Tebow couldn't complete a pass during routes on air. For those not acquainted with that term its a session with no DBs where the QB knows the routes and he still couldn't complete the passes. Those are his words, not mine. I'm sure Tebow is a world class athlete though. Bahahaha.

So hes not a world class ATHLETE because a kicker says hes a terrible passer? Carl Lewis must have been the most unathletic person alive he never even won the Heisman let alone play college Football. Hows that go? Oh Yeah Baha ha ha..

 

[wccards21]

So hes not a world class ATHLETE because a kicker says hes a terrible passer? Carl Lewis must have been the most unathletic person alive he never even won the Heisman let alone play college Football. Hows that go? Oh Yeah Baha ha ha..

Lewis did something other than this?

 

[Duck_walk]

No he is not a "world class athlete". He is a fullback and a pretty good one. He could break tackles in college. I would believe Jay Feely, a kicker, over 3peat, a never was who thinks Eli is better than his brother and would rather have Tom Brady carry the ball than Bo Jackson. Go ahead and deny dipstick. But you said them.

 

[Dbl_TE_OneBack]

So it was a pregame before they played the Cardinals, I wonder if the Broncos ended up winning the game? I find it funny how so many of the "world class" scouts on this message board can comment on Tebow's athleticism. I would be interested to know what level of competition you guys ever played at, maybe I should be more specific, you can't count just being on the team or getting a few minutes or innings as playing. And no matter how many statistics you throw out there, there is one fact that none of you can deny, Tebow has had one chance to really start in the NFL and he has a a career winning percentage better then most starting QB.

Now I know Cowherd is going to say that, "they won despite" him but he is a hypocite because if they had lost, he would have been the first one to blame him for the loss but can't give him any credit for the win. There is more to being great then putting up great numbers. How about how he was able to keep his own confidence up and the confidence of his teammates to allow them to come back and win. Don't you remember your coaches tell you that everyone makes mistakes but it is how you repsond to those mistakes that makes you winner. Or is that not a thing for baseball players?

 

[hangmanbobbyjaggers]

So it was a pregame before they played the Cardinals, I wonder if the Broncos ended up winning the game? I find it funny how so many of the "world class" scouts on this message board can comment on Tebow's athleticism. I would be interested to know what level of competition you guys ever played at, maybe I should be more specific, you can't count just being on the team or getting a few minutes or innings as playing. And no matter how many statistics you throw out there, there is one fact that none of you can deny, Tebow has had one chance to really start in the NFL and he has a a career winning percentage better then most starting QB.

Now I know Cowherd is going to say that, "they won despite" him but he is a hypocite because if they had lost, he would have been the first one to blame him for the loss but can't give him any credit for the win. There is more to being great then putting up great numbers. How about how he was able to keep his own confidence up and the confidence of his teammates to allow them to come back and win. Don't you remember your coaches tell you that everyone makes mistakes but it is how you repsond to those mistakes that makes you winner. Or is that not a thing for baseball players?

Tebow has done more than most starting QBs have done.... WIn a play off game! The guys a competitor and a winner. He does not care about his stats. He cares about if his team wins.. What is wrong with that.

 

[wcowherd]

When you're a terrible qb and your team wins, it means they won in spite of your terrible play. If they lose and your were terrible, then you contributed to the loss. How is that hard to understand?

 

[wcowherd]

You bring up baseball players...if I'm pitching and I give up 6 runs a game but my team averages 8 runs a game when I pitch, are they winning in spite of me or are they responding to me keeping my confidence up or whatever?

 

[Drop.Tine]

You bring up baseball players...if I'm pitching and I give up 6 runs a game but my team averages 8 runs a game when I pitch, are they winning in spite of me or are they responding to me keeping my confidence up or whatever?

I would say putting up two td's, 300+ yards, 50 rushing yards and zero INTs in one of their playoff games(the one they won 29-23 vs Pittsburgh), they won it because of him.

The 35 point loss the next week would seem to be a team effort.

But what do I know.

 

[bullitpdq68]

You bring up baseball players...if I'm pitching and I give up 6 runs a game but my team averages 8 runs a game when I pitch, are they winning in spite of me or are they responding to me keeping my confidence up or whatever?

Well that depends are those earned or unearned runs?

 

[wcowherd]

I would say putting up two td's, 300+ yards, 50 rushing yards and zero INTs in one of their playoff games(the one they won 29-23 vs Pittsburgh), they won it because of him.

The 35 point loss the next week would seem to be a team effort.

But what do I know.

I don't know how much you know about statistics, but one game doesn't negate a career of subpar statistics.

 

[Drop.Tine]

I don't know how much you know about statistics, but one game doesn't negate a career of subpar statistics.

I know WAR is the most ridiculous thing to happen to baseball since disco night. #baseballonarealsportsboard

 

[wccards21]

I know WAR is the most ridiculous thing to happen to baseball since disco night. #baseballonarealsportsboard

No, the DH to the NL because Waino blew out his Achilles or Max whining is the most ridiculous thing in baseball. WAR is at least useful

 

[wc3peat]

No he is not a "world class athlete". He is a fullback and a pretty good one. He could break tackles in college. I would believe Jay Feely, a kicker, over 3peat, a never was who thinks Eli is better than his brother and would rather have Tom Brady carry the ball than Bo Jackson. Go ahead and deny dipstick. But you said them.

Total lie. I said Eli plays better in Big games and in the playoffs I would rather have him. And yes from the 1 I will take Tom Brady. Sorry stat boy the dude is almost perfect and has the highest percentage rate on picking up 4th and shorts than anyone. I like the odds of taking the best evers. If you disagree thats fine. I find it Hilarious you think that a guy who was a Two Time Florida High School Football Player of the year, has or had SEC Career records for Completion Percentage 67%, Passing Efficiency 170.8, Passing TD to interception rate 5.5 to 1, Rushing yards by a QB 2947, Rushing Tds any position 57, and total TDs responsible for 145 isnt an Elite Athlete. Sorry thats just dumb. How could he have these SEC Passing Records, didnt Peyton play in the SEC?

 

[Dbl_TE_OneBack]

Cowherd, I would say that it is a good thing you did keep your confidence up and didn't give up 3 more runs and kept pitching. Sounds like you made enough pitches when you had to, to win the game

 

[wcowherd]

Lol! Come on, I was obviously detrimental to my team's success. Why is that so hard to admit?

 

[Dbl_TE_OneBack]

Because the only stat that matters is wins, why is that so hard to admit. In your "fictional" example (which might not be so fictional) it is good thing your coach left you in to keep pitching otherwise your team might have lost. The final score is all that matters. That is why you don't get points for strikeouts or errors.

By your logic, any quarterback could have taken that team to the playoffs and beat the Steelers because Tim only hindered their success? Seems to me that they had another QB who had success with other teams and he started out 0-4

 

[wcowherd]

Wow. So somehow my terrible pitching had something to do with my team's success hitting the baseball? Can you go into deeper detail on that? The most obvious correction would be to get another pitcher that might have more success. That's why managers go to bullpens.

 

[wccards21]

I wouldn't have started you.

Problem solved. Which plays to your point, so you're welcome

 

[wcowherd]

Exactly.

 

[Dbl_TE_OneBack]

You are right, I forgot. Every time a pitcher struggles the manager pulls him right away. And I love how you ignore the comment about how they started 0-4 with a different QB. I guess if Kyle Orton had stayed in there they would have won those games too? Or if not then you can't deny that Tebow had an affect on the games they won

 

[wcowherd]

Are you seriously arguing that managers don't pull pitchers if they continually struggle? Also, I wouldn't point to Kyle Orton as a good QB.

 

[wc3peat]

Even you Cow have to admit that there are times and there are people that make others play harder around and for them. From 0-4 to winning a playoff game is pretty impressive. Same team same players yet they played better with a worse leader? You dont always have to be the best or have the best stats to be succesful. Tebow isnt playing because of the Circus his "showing" of his beliefs brought. But regardless he is and or was an elite athlete. You dont win all the awards and have all the records that he does by being just okay.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Even you Cow have to admit that there are times and there are people that make others play harder around and for them. From 0-4 to winning a playoff game is pretty impressive. Same team same players yet they played better with a worse leader? You dont always have to be the best or have the best stats to be succesful. Tebow isnt playing because of the Circus his "showing" of his beliefs brought. But regardless he is and or was an elite athlete. You dont win all the awards and have all the records that he does by being just okay.

Circus? I've never seen anything close to a circus surrounding Tebow. NFL execs will put convicted felons on their roster. You can't possibly be right wing enough to think they wouldn't put an openly Christian guy on their roster, if it meant winning games.

And just so we're clear, Denver was never 0-4 in 2011. They were 1-3 after four games. And, IIRC, 2-5 when Tebow entered as starter. And let us not discount quality of opponent. Denver beat 0 teams with a winning record until the playoff win vs. the Steelers. And then got drilled by the Patriots. I just get tickled by all you folks that think somehow NFL execs won't employ him because of any other reason than him not being good enough. These guys would employ Satan if he'd help them win games and put butts in the seats.

 

[Dbl_TE_OneBack]

I seem to think that you may have been left in at times to pitch through your struggles. And the NFL coaches and execs openly said that they would have to consider the fan base that Tebow brings with him when having him on their roster. That is the same line they used when they contemplated bringing Vick back and the same argument for Michael Sam..... So we are comparing being an outspoken christian to being a convicted felon and to a sexual preference

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I seem to think that you may have been left in at times to pitch through your struggles. And the NFL coaches and execs openly said that they would have to consider the fan base that Tebow brings with him when having him on their roster. That is the same line they used when they contemplated bringing Vick back and the same argument for Michael Sam..... So we are comparing being an outspoken christian to being a convicted felon and to a sexual preference

I'd love to see those quotes about Tebow. I'll say it again, if they thought he could help their teams win games...he'd have a job. Which, btw, his job goal has always been to be a starting QB in the NFL. IIRC, he was fairly outspoken about wanting to be the starter while the backup. During the season. Not a very professional thing to do, and I'm sure that wears thin in the league. But again, if dude was good enough, he'd have a job...For the record, I think it's kind of cool he's signed with the Eagles. I've never been a fan of his, but it really has nothing to do with Tebow. I hate all things UF, and most things Urban Meyer. But I dig Chip Kelly. And really, really hope Tebow gets a chance to play. Which, if he's Bradford's backup (I know he isn't yet), can almost be assured.

 

[Dbl_TE_OneBack]

"He seems like a great guy to have on a team, and I'd be tempted to bring him in as our backup," one NFC head coach told me Wednesday. "But it's just not worth dealing with all the stuff that comes with it."

Or, in the words of one AFC head coach to whom I spoke recently: "You don't want to put up with the circus."

Broncos executive vice president John Elway couldn't wait to rid himself and his franchise of the Tebow phenomenon, using the pursuit of Peyton Manning as a means of solving that problem while, in his words, bringing "hope" to the locker room.

As for the prospect of employing Tebow as a change-of-pace quarterback — and asking Tom Brady to come off the field in those situations — the source says, "No chance. Plus they wouldn't like the circus that comes with it."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--t...t-like-following--media-frenzy-054940389.html

Those are just some quotes pulled from one article I found, (the first one that came up) I could find more if you would like. They are all saying the same thing....if he wasn't so out spoken about his religion he would have a place on our team.

 

[Duck_walk]

Yes religious persecution. That is the reason Tebow hasn't been employed. Keep telling yourself that. It's not 37% passing or the slow release. Good grief man. Mike Vick has been given chance after chance, but Tebow gets no chances because he is too good of a man. Stop it.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

"He seems like a great guy to have on a team, and I'd be tempted to bring him in as our backup," one NFC head coach told me Wednesday. "But it's just not worth dealing with all the stuff that comes with it."

Or, in the words of one AFC head coach to whom I spoke recently: "You don't want to put up with the circus."

Broncos executive vice president John Elway couldn't wait to rid himself and his franchise of the Tebow phenomenon, using the pursuit of Peyton Manning as a means of solving that problem while, in his words, bringing "hope" to the locker room.

As for the prospect of employing Tebow as a change-of-pace quarterback — and asking Tom Brady to come off the field in those situations — the source says, "No chance. Plus they wouldn't like the circus that comes with it."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--t...t-like-following--media-frenzy-054940389.html

Those are just some quotes pulled from one article I found, (the first one that came up) I could find more if you would like. They are all saying the same thing....if he wasn't so out spoken about his religion he would have a place on our team.

Kurt Warner. Reggie White. Tony Dungy. Just a few of the more well-known examples. All were very openly religious while in the NFL. None had trouble ever finding employment with an NFL team. I would attribute the comments as much to the fact Tebow believes he should be a starter (and thus the outcry of his following), as I would his religious beliefs. Fact is, teams don't want to bring him in and deal with him vocally talking about being a starter while they believe he isn't as good as the guy that is the starter. There have been plenty of openly religious players in the NFL. He isn't the first. And he won't be the last.

 

[Dbl_TE_OneBack]

I really enjoy the fact that, you asked me to provide examples of NFL executives and Coaches that openly said they would like Tebow if not for his following or the "circus" and then you completely brush them off. Every backup in the league would say he wants to start if a reporter asked them, what do you expect him to say? So don't act like that is his fault for answering the questions he is asked

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I really enjoy the fact that, you asked me to provide examples of NFL executives and Coaches that openly said they would like Tebow if not for his following or the "circus" and then you completely brush them off. Every backup in the league would say he wants to start if a reporter asked them, what do you expect him to say? So don't act like that is his fault for answering the questions he is asked

No disrespect intended. I just interpret the comments differently. None of them said specifically anything about his religion. I simply interpret it as, he's a high-profile guy, openly religious, HUGE following, and that following makes lots of noise about him being a starter. Not, hey this guy is really religious so we don't want him. I could be totally off, but there have certainly been other famously religious guys in the NFL that could find employment rather easily.

And I'm not sure every backup in the league would say that, at least not during the season with a starter in place. I always got the impression when I read Tebow's comments, that he felt as if he were always trying to take the starter's position, no matter the time or situation. And I still believe the fact remains, he wants to be an NFL starting QB, and most (if not all) believe that he can't be that. So, when weighing everything out, they choose another option at backup. Not to mention, they'd have to install an entirely different system if he were forced into action. I think it shouldn't be lost that Philly is where he landed and got his shot. They're basically the only NFL team that wouldn't have to make those changes.

 

[Mitsurugi san]

The two sides will never agree on this... EVER!

He could start half the season this year and completely tank, and the Tebow camp would still point to the half a season and playoff win he had with the Broncos...

And likewise, he could finally get his opportunity to start for a team riddled with injuries, and even if he lead that team to the super bowl, people would still point to the stat sheet (which wasn't even that great in College, by the way) and say that he's not a real NFL QB and that his team did it DESPITE his presence (not because of his presence).

I'm over it.

I will say this, though: The league could use a few more "Tim Tebows" and a LOT less "Greg Hardys"...

 

[Dbl_TE_OneBack]

Mit and Eagles Ball, I can't argue with any of those comments. You may be on to something, and I might be off on why they don't want him. I will be on here explaining how I am wrong if he finally gets another real chance to start. A chance to make mistakes and continue to play. My threshold for this is 5 games, just over 1/4 of the season. If he gets a chance to start 5 games and does not produce more wins then loses, I will not be on here defending his ability to play QB in the NFL anymore. You can hold me to that, but if he doesn't get that chance, in my personal opinion, I will still feel like he can win in this league and in the end that is all that matters

 

[Mitsurugi san]

Mit and Eagles Ball, I can't argue with any of those comments. You may be on to something, and I might be off on why they don't want him. I will be on here explaining how I am wrong if he finally gets another real chance to start. A chance to make mistakes and continue to play. My threshold for this is 5 games, just over 1/4 of the season. If he gets a chance to start 5 games and does not produce more wins then loses, I will not be on here defending his ability to play QB in the NFL anymore. You can hold me to that, but if he doesn't get that chance, in my personal opinion, I will still feel like he can win in this league and in the end that is all that matters

I'm actually in the Tebow camp with you, Ace

I am willing to acknowledge, however, that Tebow's stats have never been jaw-dropping (not even in college, when I hated his guts!), and we unfortunately now live in an age where the stat sheet is practically more important then winning itself (I think we have fantasy sports to blame for that).

And how on earth anyone can try to say that the "circus" has nothing to do with why teams don't want to take a chance on Tebow in at least a back-up role is beyond me...