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Is religion the biggest problem with our government?

When the GOP had complete control of gubmint for 6 years, they didn't implement one thing that their Amen Corner believes in. (Except fluffing israel at every opportunity).

It's not a religion that's the problem. It's stupid people. Religion is just a way to herd all the cattle.
 
Originally posted by Veer2Eternity:


It's not a religion that's the problem. It's stupid people. Religion is just a way to herd all the cattle.
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"No human society has ever been able to maintain both order and freedom, both cohesiveness and liberty apart from the moral precepts of the Christian Religion. Should our Republic ever forget this fundamental precept of governance, we will then, be surely doomed. - John Jay, 1st Chief Justice of the United States, 1789-1795.
 
Originally posted by Bearcat-time:
"No human society has ever been able to maintain both order and freedom, both cohesiveness and liberty apart from the moral precepts of the Christian Religion. Should our Republic ever forget this fundamental precept of governance, we will then, be surely doomed. - John Jay, 1st Chief Justice of the United States, 1789-1795.



The Federalist Papers Federalist No. 3

Categories: Virtue

Date: November 3, 1787

Once
an efficient national government is established, the best men in the
country will not only consent to serve, but also will generally be
appointed to manage it . . . and [it will] never experience that want of
proper persons, which is not uncommon in some of the states.
 
The government is simply a reflection of the people. For the most part the people of this country do not really believe in God or for that matter care about Godly things. That being the case, religion would be a huge problem.
 
I think saying "most" people do not believe in God is not true. How many churches do you see in every little town and big city across this country? Most are pretty full every Sunday and some folks are there on other days they meet. I know not all of them are there for the right reason but if they're there they might just hear something that reaches them. There are also many preachers that are not there for the right reason, there are crooks in every walk of life. Some people who attend church are stronger in their beliefs, do more to support their church and share their faith publicly more than others but that's the case in any activity that people are involved in.
 
I understand where you are going 3R, but that doesn't change my point. If the country were full of God fearing people the government would reflect that.
 
If you were there when you are supposed to be. You wouldn't know how many other churches are full.
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Originally posted by WCS Coach:
I understand where you are going 3R, but that doesn't change my point. If the country were full of God fearing people the government would reflect that.
In fairness, people in government RUN on religion, but once they are elected it's money and power (not God) that influence their decisions.

Not sure it's a reflection of the country, but a reflection of the system that has been irredemably corrupted.
 
Originally posted by WCS Coach:

The government is simply a reflection of the people. For the most part the people of this country do not really believe in God or for that matter care about Godly things. That being the case, religion would be a huge problem.
The argument is that fundamentalist religious teaches poor critical thinking skills, not that it teaches people to advocate for bad policy because that is what is advocated for in church.

The article's point is that if you teach people to ignore objective evidence and to blur the line between opinion and fact, you're creating people who don't have the critical thinking skills to make good decisions. If one really believes that the earth is 6,000 years old in spite of it being factually wrong, then one is disproportionately likely to believe things like "global warming is made up" and "Fannie and Freddie created the economic downturn."

The political right in the US has a blurring of fact and opinion that is damaging to its ability to advocate for good policy. This inability to discern what is objective evidence and what is an opinion is the #1 problem in our country.

There are plenty of good arguments for many policies advocated by the religious right. That's not at all the issue. The issue is the lack of a thought process underlying most of the policies.
 
Don't normally go here but your hook was just to big...

So I understand you correctly ...
Your saying that you can only believe in GOD "if" you believe the earth is only 6000 years old?
 
No. I used the word fundamentalist for a reason. This denial of facts is not something emphasized in mainline Protestantism.
 
Originally posted by Neutron Monster:


Originally posted by WCS Coach:

The government is simply a reflection of the people. For the most part the people of this country do not really believe in God or for that matter care about Godly things. That being the case, religion would be a huge problem.
The argument is that fundamentalist religious teaches poor critical thinking skills, not that it teaches people to advocate for bad policy because that is what is advocated for in church.

The article's point is that if you teach people to ignore objective evidence and to blur the line between opinion and fact, you're creating people who don't have the critical thinking skills to make good decisions. If one really believes that the earth is 6,000 years old in spite of it being factually wrong, then one is disproportionately likely to believe things like "global warming is made up" and "Fannie and Freddie created the economic downturn."

The political right in the US has a blurring of fact and opinion that is damaging to its ability to advocate for good policy. This inability to discern what is objective evidence and what is an opinion is the #1 problem in our country.

There are plenty of good arguments for many policies advocated by the religious right. That's not at all the issue. The issue is the lack of a thought process underlying most of the policies.



So in other words man knows more than the Creator. Gotta love those "critical thinking skills".
 
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