Iowa exit poll for 2016
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Ben has zero chance to be the republican nominee.
And we all know why. But go ahead and act like its not true
to make yourself feel better.
And we all know why. But go ahead and act like its not true
to make yourself feel better.
Are you talking about the fact that the guy feels imaginary fingers pushing him? You would think a brain surgeon would know how to stop fix that type of dissociative personality syndrome.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/politics/carson-presidential-run-god-fingers/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/politics/carson-presidential-run-god-fingers/index.html
I think conservatives don't really understand Ben Carson's positions.
He wants to do away with for-profit insurance companies.
He supports "national guidelines" on end-of-life care.
Believes in affirmative action.
Compared gay marriage with NAMBLA.
He doesn't believe in evolution.
Is for some gun control.
He wants to do away with for-profit insurance companies.
He supports "national guidelines" on end-of-life care.
Believes in affirmative action.
Compared gay marriage with NAMBLA.
He doesn't believe in evolution.
Is for some gun control.
Carson is not beholden to a party, is very highly educated, is his own man, and above all, he's not a politician. Only a pure racist could oppose him.
Iowa Is not more representative of America than NH. Come on now. Both are much whiter, older, and much more rural.
Lolol at Ben Carson; he's the joke candidate! Its like you're trying to get a response from me.
Lolol at Ben Carson; he's the joke candidate! Its like you're trying to get a response from me.
You're all falling for it for there to be this many posts on Ben Carson. He's a joke candidate. He has no chance. He's donald trump who actually runs.
Ben Carson is just Herman Cain part two - a political outsider who says a few amusing things to get 10 percent of the vote in one state before dropping out while winning no real endorsements and raising an inconsequential amount of money. For this he will be rewarded with a gig on TV news and countless paid speeches to conservative groups. He is not a serious candidate and we are doing a disservice by pretending otherwise.
Also, miller, every politician is beholden to their party. You can't raise enough money to win the presidency without being beholden to a huge swathe of your party. And you can't get anything done in Washington in 2015 without the assistance of your party. Some appear more unbound but they all have to play the game to a certain extent. otherwise you end up getting nothing meaningful done.
Look at Ted Cruz - who is ever going to help him pass a piece of legislation? No one. He will never get anything done in that way. Of course, I don't think his goal is to actually ever do anything, so this actually suits him just fine.
Ben Carson is just Herman Cain part two - a political outsider who says a few amusing things to get 10 percent of the vote in one state before dropping out while winning no real endorsements and raising an inconsequential amount of money. For this he will be rewarded with a gig on TV news and countless paid speeches to conservative groups. He is not a serious candidate and we are doing a disservice by pretending otherwise.
Also, miller, every politician is beholden to their party. You can't raise enough money to win the presidency without being beholden to a huge swathe of your party. And you can't get anything done in Washington in 2015 without the assistance of your party. Some appear more unbound but they all have to play the game to a certain extent. otherwise you end up getting nothing meaningful done.
Look at Ted Cruz - who is ever going to help him pass a piece of legislation? No one. He will never get anything done in that way. Of course, I don't think his goal is to actually ever do anything, so this actually suits him just fine.
There are many, many good reasons to oppose Carson that have nothing to do with his race. He's a joke candidate, for one.
I don't know of anybody that I agree with on everything. On the things that really matter I agree with him based on what I know at this EARLY stage. I am certainly not wedded to him as the nominee representing conservatives. I really like the non pollitition part and have never heard him speak on a subject that he didn't handle the topic wisely.
I never said Iowa was representative of America just more than NH. In fact I said i'd prefer a state like Florida or Ohio.
Os that laugh out loud out loud?
I guess you prefer true polititians.
If he were to get the nomination I would expect him to get the party funding but if you just look at Cowherds short list there seems to be a lot of straying from the party line.
I'll try to be a part of anything that goes against business as usual if it doesn't violate my principles.
You really have it bad for Carson. He's not a political candidate he's running for a chance to bring a new direction to government. That is in fact a joke of a politician......something I appreciate.
Iowa really isn't any more representative of America than NH.
Florida and Ohio were actually the two states that came to my mind as being "representative of America." It won't be them because they're so big that it would be exorbitantly expensive to have the first primaries there.
The problem with Carson is he isn't a serious candidate. He has no political organization to speak of. He'll build something but it won't be anything credible. It's just a vanity effort that will give him a bigger public position so he can go make a ton of money after he runs. This is his change to get a Fox news show and 50 paid speeches a year!
It's not about someone having a lot of experience in politics; there are plenty of rich people and public figures who've shown they can build such an organization/co-opt someone else's organization to win an election (think Rauner in Illinois). It's just really, really hard to do that when running for the Presidency (it's different when you run for a state level office. I think it's downright impossible unless you are a stellar candidate with a ton of money and/or history as a very public figure. Like, I think Petraeus in 2008 or 2012 could have done this. I think Bloomberg could do it (although he's already a politician). I suspect there are a few CEOs or billionaires who could try to do it, but the list is very, very short.
If someone runs for President never having held a significant prior office and you didn't know who they were 4 years ago, they aren't going to be nominated by a party.
Let me put it this way...when is the last time you heard 9/9/9?
There is no new direction coming from Ben Carson. It's not a serious campaign. It's a sideshow from the real campaigns.
And where did I say I thought Ben would win? I'm not convinced he'll even run. If I could wave a wand and pick the nominee, at this VERY EARLY point I would choose him. I very much doubt he will get the nomination for the very reasons you've cited. Those also are the reasons i'd choose him.
Those are pretty lousy reasons to want someone to be president. Realistically, someone who doesn't understand anything about Washington would either be eaten alive by congress or have their presidency run entirely by their appointed subordinates while they sit there as a figurehead. It's a recipe for disaster.
I mean, this is the most on point criticism one can levy against the current president - he and his team have done a lousy job managing Washington and congress.
There's also the fact that Ben Carson would get slaughtered in a general election. I mean, slaughtered. There are dems all over America praying for him or Cruz to be nominated.
I mean, this is the most on point criticism one can levy against the current president - he and his team have done a lousy job managing Washington and congress.
There's also the fact that Ben Carson would get slaughtered in a general election. I mean, slaughtered. There are dems all over America praying for him or Cruz to be nominated.
Considering your proctologist has as much chance as he does of being president come January 20, 2017, I doubt we will be figuring that out any time soon.
This post was edited on 1/6 1:53 AM by Neutron Monster
This post was edited on 1/6 1:53 AM by Neutron Monster
Just got on Carson's web site. You mis-represent him somewhat Cowherd. Check out the link.
http://www.runbenrun.org/issues#econ
http://www.runbenrun.org/issues#econ
So based on the site Bearcat put up (one I hadn't even been to yet) Ben is not in favor of gun control, or affirmative action based on race. Those were the 2 issues listed that didn't sound right to me.
Runbenrun.com...sounds like a Ben Carson fanfiction website.
Anyway, on AA:
"A lot of people, including myself, have benefitted from affirmative action...and have, in fact, taken advantage of the opportunity it afforded them. And I think that is the best possible reason for advocating the continuation of some program that allows minorities to have opportunities and improved access to mainstream America.
I would love to hear people engage in a very different conversation-on how we might maintain the benefits of affirmative action but change it and even call it something else. We have to be smart, you see. What I would like to call it is compassionate action."
On gun control:
But when asked whether people should be allowed to own "semi-automatic weapons," the doctor replied: "It depends on where you live. I think if you live in the midst of a lot of people, and I'm afraid that that semi-automatic weapon is going to fall into the hands of a crazy person, I would rather you not have it," Carson elaborated. However, if you live "out in the country somewhere by yourself" and want to own a semi-automatic weapon, he added, "I've no problem with that."
Anyway, on AA:
"A lot of people, including myself, have benefitted from affirmative action...and have, in fact, taken advantage of the opportunity it afforded them. And I think that is the best possible reason for advocating the continuation of some program that allows minorities to have opportunities and improved access to mainstream America.
I would love to hear people engage in a very different conversation-on how we might maintain the benefits of affirmative action but change it and even call it something else. We have to be smart, you see. What I would like to call it is compassionate action."
On gun control:
But when asked whether people should be allowed to own "semi-automatic weapons," the doctor replied: "It depends on where you live. I think if you live in the midst of a lot of people, and I'm afraid that that semi-automatic weapon is going to fall into the hands of a crazy person, I would rather you not have it," Carson elaborated. However, if you live "out in the country somewhere by yourself" and want to own a semi-automatic weapon, he added, "I've no problem with that."
The website is a fan club not an official Ben Carson website (don't think there is one). It is filled with quotes though.
Carson said he believed there are inequities that need addressed but not racial.
Carson said he used to support gun registration but now sees that as wrong thinking. Opposing registration of guns pretty much meansencouraging gun ownership without restriction.
Everyone thinks there should be some limits on bearing arms. No one should be allowed to own a nuke because of the possibility of an accident. The same could be said of an automatic weapon in a crowd.
Carson said he believed there are inequities that need addressed but not racial.
Carson said he used to support gun registration but now sees that as wrong thinking. Opposing registration of guns pretty much meansencouraging gun ownership without restriction.
Everyone thinks there should be some limits on bearing arms. No one should be allowed to own a nuke because of the possibility of an accident. The same could be said of an automatic weapon in a crowd.
Are you guys sure your not still mad over Carson eating the president alive last year at the National Prayer Breakfast ?
On an interview with FOX NEWS the following day Mr Carson was allegedly caught saying that even he could not mend the president's broken heart...
On an interview with FOX NEWS the following day Mr Carson was allegedly caught saying that even he could not mend the president's broken heart...
Some time this year you might try acting your age and stop trying to be funny.
If you ever spent time with middle schoolers you
would know unfunny 13 year olds are really annoying.
Your post is a perfect example of a really unfunny, nonsensical
waste of life. Just trying to help. Peace be with you.
If you ever spent time with middle schoolers you
would know unfunny 13 year olds are really annoying.
Your post is a perfect example of a really unfunny, nonsensical
waste of life. Just trying to help. Peace be with you.
They don't care what he believes but he wagged his finger on the teevee at obummer so he should be the nominee.
Has the loser of a presidential election ever came back and been the party's nominee again?
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Richard Milhous Nixon comes to mind.
After looking back:
Thomas Jefferson
John Q Adams
Andrew Jackson
William Harrison
Thomas Dewey
Adlai Stevenson
May have missed someone.
After looking back:
Thomas Jefferson
John Q Adams
Andrew Jackson
William Harrison
Thomas Dewey
Adlai Stevenson
May have missed someone.
As was noted above, Nixon is the big one in recent history, along with Adlai Stevenson being the nominee twice in a row right before that.
But, it's been a long time.
I think Mitt's biggest problem is that he and Jeb Bush are fighting for the same set of primary voters and money. His road to the nomination would be tougher this time. That and the fact that the Rs have better candidates than him.
Neither Romney nor Bush will appeal to the hard right of the party but anyone they would nominate has very little chance in the general. They will at some point have to acknowledge that if they want the White House among their prizes. Scout says they should never give in and nominate somebody like that just to their foot in the door.
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