Is crusader on a "crusade" and absent indefinitely?
Or is he already on the recruiting trail in Hazelwood and East St. Louis?
Or is he already on the recruiting trail in Hazelwood and East St. Louis?
In the aftermath of the Lamar/Lutheran North outcome...
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I only saw high lites on the news ..ln looked freaking lazy!!! Guys literally just standing around on the backside of the ball. Not blocking ...not doing anything at all . just watching
If Bailey or guide or roderique or buckmaster or basically any legit coach had that kind of talent ...I can guarantee they wouldnt get beat. LN was out executed and out coached . if they put in more effort then they would have won by alot
Is it possible ,I mean even remotely he is on his way to Lamar with a briefcase full of mshsaa immediate eligibility transfer forms?
Could it be the Lamar team outplayed LN without three of their top performers. And we don’t need to hear about another recruited/transfer team and how they possibly could have won “if”. The defense was amazing I was there! Just saying! For both teams!
Effort was put in. Lamar stopped them. Period. Lamar wanted it more.
It was a debate before the game. Now people are just embarrassing themselves. Stamp it!
LN coach hash tags his Twitter account posts with #scholarshiphigh. No recruiting going on there. SMH
I dont disagree...I'm a Lamar fan...I think if LN had a.good coach they win this game. There is no excuse for having this kind of talent and not winning state.
We had our chance to create a separate playoff for the private schools about 10 years ago and voted to keep them in. Nobody to blame but ourselves.
Yeah “TEAM” football can beat “Talented” football teams when they don’t work hard. They may have some kids who have the ability through whatever means to be looked at more. But it wasn’t enough. I was really only impressed with the D line. Amazing talent. The offense was overrated. Three 1,000 yard rushers and they didn’t do almost anything at all, held under 58 yards. I understand weather was a huge factor, but it was for both teams. Weak scheduling does truly hurt some of these programs who don’t get hit much all year. But Lutheran was a classy in behavior program, I’ll give them that. They shook hands, and told some parents good luck next week. And did the prayer.
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Lucas is a freaking machine
I would say above average high school talent that is well coached with good schemes and tactics generally beats high level talent with below average coaching with poor schemes and tactics most of the time.
Besides when Lutheran beat Trinity. That was two cases of “amazing” talent, and horrible coaching. Cancels it out! Haha
Wow. I had to look for myself. You weren’t kidding.
I bet these boosters that are funding these scholarships are pissed they ain't seeing results for their money.
How you can compare any offense on a day like yesterday is beyond me. But hats off to Lamar and good luck.
I also want to thank them and schools like maryville and webb that really shows that there really isnt anything to the private school thing and that there is a rememdy that is more powerful than the supposedly recruiting many say goes on. You all keep the championship numbers in keep, and we wont expect there to really ever be a seperation of championships. I wonder if a lot of public school fans are thanking you today though.
Congrats on another state championship. I said a long time ago. Great teams love to play other great teams. Great athletes love to compete against other great athletes, no matter private or public
I’ll give you this, you showed your face on here after all the crap you said earlier in the week. But Lamar was all over them. Both defenses were. But it wasn’t only weather stopping the LN offense. Lamar’s D put on a show. They had zero room to run or find a hole. Weather didn’t cause that. But thanks for your hindsight saving face post!
For all the flack calpreps catches they nailed everything but the score in this on. Projection was 35-34 lamar
Calpreps does receive a lot of flack for getting quite a bit “right”. They also stated it would be Lamar Vs Lafayette County for the ship!
Lol. For one i never said once LN was going to win. Im not even a big LN fan. Anything i said was meant to be in west vs east jabbering fun and west won again. Ive played a lot of competitive sports and even made a very short stink into pro ball. It has always been in good fun for me. But again, i never said LN was going to when. I said once "i hope" and all the others i said "if". But i will stand behind what i just said about the private/public thing, and also about great teams and great athletes. Good luck next week. I really dont think youll need it. Good team
If anyone was to reread what you said, it hardly seemed like joking but I’ll take it. Thanks!
Boy you just take everything on here personally and to heart. There's no room for hypersensitivity in high school football.
On another note, I'm glad Lamar won, but it was a much closer game than I expected it to be, I figured Lamar would blow them out. I guess they were saving the blowout win for next week. Looking forward to that.
You just can’t NOT have something negative to say towards me can you? I’ve tried to make nice with you. He was saving face, I called him out on it. I thought that’s what we do here? You told me that. I forgot you don’t like me. I don’t NOT like you. It’s probably best you just ignore my post. Since you are hyper sensitive towards me.
It was nice to see them win. Maybe crusader will leave.
My post was not meant to be offensive to you, was meant to be more of a blunt way of saying "don't over-exaggerate" things so often on here, but okay. I have no problem with you, you have a lot of passion, but I think that clouds your judgement which causes you to take everything so personally.
I speak my mind as everyone else does, but in a fair and calculated manner, except when it comes to JNReturns of course.
And I would say crusader is gone. Or has already came back under a different name.
I speak my mind as everyone else does, but in a fair and calculated manner, except when it comes to JNReturns of course.
And I would say crusader is gone. Or has already came back under a different name.
Sounds good.
He’s probably out trying to get his next wave of LN kids to “transfer” in for next year. (I think he’s apart of the school.) just a thought lol
Heres a serious question. Which one do you feel has more of an advantage. A private school who you say recruits kids to come in when in high school, or a public school who can get their kids into a good feeder program while still in early elementary school and learn the system ect? Honestly for me, as a coach, i would take a great feeder program any day if i was trying to establish a great long lasting program. So in my eyes at least on this. Advantage public schools. I actually think you are already seeing the results ts in all sports.
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You still have to have the kids show development in the system. Liberal Mo has a football team that plays the same plays from 3rd grade to high school and usually are a doormat. And so was Lamar before coach Bailey. It takes more than a system or recruiting to win. You have to have kids who are more than just talented. Heart can’t be measured but it’s displayed on the field. That’s what most of these Lamar boys have. I still say being able to pick and choose your roster is a leg up on the “hope” you delevelop kids. It doesn’t work more times than not. Good question though. Lamar is a rare example.
They both have an advantage! Private get to choose - who they get - to determine their class size they play i,n and the talent they possess now, Public gets the edge of having them longer to build fan support and team effort . I believe team building wins out !
I think building a program with public is better, however building a sustainable program is extremely difficult and rare. When it happens, it's as strong as can be, however more times than not you have one super class that takes you on a run, then it's back to the drawing board. Webb, and Lamar of late is not the norm. So for a quick hope at success, private with the ability to recruit may be an easier fix.
I think the main thing what's upsetting to a lot of parents and supporters of those public programs, is how can our teams year over year beat these highly touted, highly recruited players, yet we don't appear to get nearly the attention that their players get.
Once you get into the logistics of recruiting in big cities vs rural America, raw talent and potential of a lot of these players, it all makes sense. I just think at surface level, when Cooper Lucas is by far the stand out player in a game with 10 D1 athletes, it's hard not to at least scratch your head a little bit
I think the main thing what's upsetting to a lot of parents and supporters of those public programs, is how can our teams year over year beat these highly touted, highly recruited players, yet we don't appear to get nearly the attention that their players get.
Once you get into the logistics of recruiting in big cities vs rural America, raw talent and potential of a lot of these players, it all makes sense. I just think at surface level, when Cooper Lucas is by far the stand out player in a game with 10 D1 athletes, it's hard not to at least scratch your head a little bit
I think you can argue the past two years against 30 something D1 recruits Stu, Coop, and Danner have all looked better than 99 percent of thoe recruits. It’s quite puzzling indeed.
Here is Cooper Lucas' domination in a nutshell yesterday:
Misdirection goes away from him, he doesn't run upfield and make it easy for the center to block back, he gets on back hip of puller and makes a tackle for loss as the backside DE on a perimeter play. That's technique, knowledge, talent and motor.
Misdirection at him, he doesn't he doesn't run upfield and get trapped, he spills it, letting teammates rally. That's technique, knowledge, talent and unselfish play.
Sweep at him, he doesn't get hooked, he stretched the play out to the sideline, defeated block and made tackle for loss. Again, technique, knowledge, talent and motor.
Power at him...base blocked...well he just dominated that.
But, he's not 6'5 and 250lbs, so a college coach will says he's a motor guy who is extremely well coached, while the alternative with the measurables can be "coached up" by college D1 coaches.
That being said, I wish Cooper Lucas would play for my favorite D1 college team; kid is outstanding.
Misdirection goes away from him, he doesn't run upfield and make it easy for the center to block back, he gets on back hip of puller and makes a tackle for loss as the backside DE on a perimeter play. That's technique, knowledge, talent and motor.
Misdirection at him, he doesn't he doesn't run upfield and get trapped, he spills it, letting teammates rally. That's technique, knowledge, talent and unselfish play.
Sweep at him, he doesn't get hooked, he stretched the play out to the sideline, defeated block and made tackle for loss. Again, technique, knowledge, talent and motor.
Power at him...base blocked...well he just dominated that.
But, he's not 6'5 and 250lbs, so a college coach will says he's a motor guy who is extremely well coached, while the alternative with the measurables can be "coached up" by college D1 coaches.
That being said, I wish Cooper Lucas would play for my favorite D1 college team; kid is outstanding.
KNEO radio does a half hour pregame show before Webb games each week. This year they interviewed kids on our grade school teams, it sounded like 11 year old Coach Roderiques"we have to practice hard, they are a great team it's going to be our hardest game of the year" they have them buying into what it takes at a very early age. I don't know how you beat a program like that
How big is he?
After watching Lamar several times in championship games, they always have a bunch of very good/great HS players, but most of them are squeezing every ounce of their potential out already. And a lot of them just don't have the size. Size isn't necessarily the end all be all, but if two kids are equal potential and one is 6'5" and the other is 5'11", I'm going with 6'5" every time.
A.Q. Shipley is my favorite player in the NFL right now though because I have a soft spot for sub 6' offensive lineman. He ain't 6'1", I don't care what the Cardinals say.
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