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I'm down for getting rid of the Electoral College IF we do this instead

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This top economist has a radical plan to change the way Americans vote — weighted voting

Following is a transcript of the video.

Dambisa Moyo: The fact that the OECD report claims that this generation of Americans for the first time in the history of the United States will be less educated than the preceding generation means that we do need to do something quite aggressive I believe in order to get more voters to the ballot polls.

The idea of weighted voting is essentially providing a reward to voters who are more engaged. One of the risks of this proposal is that people will interpret it very superficially as rewarding, or giving people who put more education or more wealth, a bigger weight in the voting process and that is absolutely incorrect. The most important thing I believe for democracy to function is two things.

One is to make sure that as many people as possible are voting, and so in that context, one of the concerns is low-voter participation rates. In the United States, they are now around 50%. For low-income households, they are around 30%. But the second thing that's critically important is that voters have an understanding of the political process. One of the big issues that has been revealed is that we're seeing a lot of disaffection and people tend to vote for candidates based on things as basic as what color pantsuit they're wearing. And that I think really undermines the political process.

Discussing what sorts of factors would help us understand who should be voting and how voters should be voting, I believe that having a civics program where people really understand how the government functions and who they're voting for and what those people stand for. At the very bare minimum, a civics test, and I draw really on my experience as an immigrant, would really tap into the historical context of how exactly the United States political system was established, but more specifically, it will talk about how it's structured today.

For example, just a basic understanding of what the different arms of government are and how the political process works from the role of superdelegate and delegate, but it's also about how primaries work and how the whole process of the caucusing and the electoral college works in a democratic system. And I think that, at a very bare minimum, would help voters understand what the role of their vote is and how that action would impact, not just on the election process, but also long-term economic policy.

Because I'm an eternal optimist, and because we have a history where people of color were not allowed to vote, women were not allowed to vote, I imagine that there were times when there was pause and people thought, well we really can't have a system where women voted or where minorities voted, but here we are today in a world where it is possible. And so on that basis, I don't see why we shouldn't be optimistic about reforms and innovation to the democratic process that can make it stronger and perform better.

We want to make sure that people do have access to information about the candidates that they're fielding but also make sure that they have understanding about the basic political and policy issues that are up for debate.
 
A modern day poll tax? Nothing could go wrong there.

How's that a poll tax? You still get to vote, no one is restricting access to votes, it just makes the 18 year old who thinks the Emancipation Proclamation is a hip hop group's vote count slightly less than someone who actually knows something about government.
 
Right but you are still requiring people to do something else besides just be a legal citizen to vote and have their vote count equally. What is it a 3/5ths compromise?
 
Right but you are still requiring people to do something else besides just be a legal citizen to vote and have their vote count equally. What is it a 3/5ths compromise?

Their knowledge and understanding isn't equal, why should their vote be?
 
Slippery slope.
Once requirements are made, those requirements can be changed.

They should be changed as knowledge changes. As long as the vote isn't being suppressed, there's no issue.

Everyone has the opportunity to educate themselves. If they choose not to, why should they have equal say over something they don't understand?
 
They should be changed as knowledge changes. As long as the vote isn't being suppressed, there's no issue.

Everyone has the opportunity to educate themselves. If they choose not to, why should they have equal say over something they don't understand?
But you are saying civics knowledge is the requirement....that I could agree with but what if it is changed from civics knowledge to other requirements such as residency instead of citizenship?.
 
But you are saying civics knowledge is the requirement....that I could agree with but what if it is changed from civics knowledge to other requirements such as residency instead of citizenship?.

They could do that regardless.
 
That has to be the most ignorant thing I ever read.

And another wasted Gov. education class...really that crap never has the effect that the EGG heads believe it does...all the education hasn't stopped drug use,the spread of STD's etc. etc. People don't see the light they feel the heat...it's human nature.

If anything the right to vote should be based on those who pay income taxes....If you have Zero skin in the game live off the dole and don't produce then you are basically a Ward of the state... a Child. If you have a hand out to exist then you have No say in how things are ran. Pay income tax get to vote, don't pay income tax AKA NO JOB....no vote.

And to think that he actually believes that people are going to invest time in learning civic's so their vote is worth more....stuff that they had the chance to learn in school....but they choose not to, just to they can make their vote have more say. Making civics knowledge a must will only lessen Voter turn out, as most will see it as another bit of work they have to do to actually vote.

See this guy is assuming a lot, that most people think their Vote makes a difference and the system isn't already rigged or unfair. He is clearly mistaken most think their vote doesn't matter already and making it worth more won't change a thing. Another error he assumes is while....people really like to say the vote for the person they don't , let's be honest most people vote for their PARTY. The party that represents their core values and belief system. Taking a Civics class won't change that or make a difference.

Guy clearly doesn't get America..probably because he is a immigrant.. The majority of voters are usually those who are paying taxes and working, the rest are those who are getting a free lunch so to speak they turn out and vote if it's convenient in hopes they get more free stuff.
 
They should be changed as knowledge changes. As long as the vote isn't being suppressed, there's no issue.

Everyone has the opportunity to educate themselves. If they choose not to, why should they have equal say over something they don't understand?
How is it not being suppressed? You are counting one person's vote more than another. It may not be eliminated but you are still suppressing their worth.
Does everyone have access to the news? Everyone can read a newspaper? And before this becomes about education, my wife has a BS in art and teaches elementary art. She has dyslexia and another learning disability which means she reads at a 3rd-grade level. She doesn't read any news.
 
How is it not being suppressed? You are counting one person's vote more than another. It may not be eliminated but you are still suppressing their worth.
Does everyone have access to the news? Everyone can read a newspaper? And before this becomes about education, my wife has a BS in art and teaches elementary art. She has dyslexia and another learning disability which means she reads at a 3rd-grade level. She doesn't read any news.

There are homeless people and prisoners running around with smartphones, there is zero excuse to be uninformed.
 
There are homeless people and prisoners running around with smartphones, there is zero excuse to be uninformed.
Yes you are correct zero excuse, but the right to vote shouldn't be determined by being informed...it should be determined by if you actually bring anything to society!
If you don't buy stock in a company you don't get a say. If you are not a business partner in a company you don't get a say. If you don't own property you don't get a say in what is done on that property. So if you don't actually produce and contribute income to the tax base you don't get a say. That is a much better system as it actually rewards those who work,get educated and stay informed.
 
Yes you are correct zero excuse, but the right to vote shouldn't be determined by being informed...it should be determined by if you actually bring anything to society!
If you don't buy stock in a company you don't get a say. If you are not a business partner in a company you don't get a say. If you don't own property you don't get a say in what is done on that property. So if you don't actually produce and contribute income to the tax base you don't get a say. That is a much better system as it actually rewards those who work,get educated and stay informed.

I disagree, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion.
 
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