I Called it MGHS, you said it wouldn't happen.

[bullitpdq68]

I told you this is what Trump wanted. He is going to destroy America if he can't be president.

I apologize I thought it was Chris and it was you that said Trump would step down. Several people are now trying to get Trump to talk these people down.

 

[thegoldenboy55]

Ugly scene. Is this the tipping point something horrible or does this open everyone's eyes to the craziness and we actually return to some sense of normalcy?

 

[bullitpdq68]

Ugly scene. Is this the tipping point something horrible or does this open everyone's eyes to the craziness and we actually return to some sense of normalcy?

Or will it only embolden them? What Hawley and others need to realize if they give Trump 4 more years do they really believe he will stop there and not try to push more after that is up.

 

[Expect2Win]

Calls for impeachment and everything today.
One thing I read on Twitter though, Giuliani called for 'trial by combat.'
Trump will pardon everyone involved and he should be impeached before he can do that.

 

[bullitpdq68]

What did you call that I said wouldn't happen that is happening?

I corrected, I had you and MG mixed up.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Thanks.
I guess my question would be the same though. What was said that wouldn't happen that is happening?

Armed mob taking over the capital, MG said it would never happen... Not in Tumps best interest..well

 

[bullitpdq68]

Where did he say that? This is not anything Trump has called for.

I agree to disagree with you on this, you have proven to have Pub covered glasses on and anybody in your party can do no wrong.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

I agree to disagree with you on this, you have proven to have Pub covered glasses on and anybody in your party can do no wrong.

This is exactly what Trump wanted to see happen. Now which party is unlawful lunatics??

 

[3Rfan]

Calls for impeachment and everything today.
One thing I read on Twitter though, Giuliani called for 'trial by combat.'
Trump will pardon everyone involved and he should be impeached before he can do that.

The 25th Amendment is the quickest way to get him out before he can do any more damage. They couldn't even get an impeachment started before he's out now.

 

[MGHS]

Well he did tell them to go home although I do think now he wanted his point to be made and it was....It was rioting by some of the extreme supporters. I don't condone it.

The damage has already been done, the divide as I stated is great and wide and now appears to be un-bridgeable between the two sides. This was just exhibit A. Get prepared for worse in the first months of Biden's term. I think the Right is now taking a page out of the Lefts playbook. Maybe I'm wrong and the fire can be extinguished....but that seems unlikely. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Well he did tell them to go home

Yep, Trump told them all right, his words "Go home. We love you. You're beautiful people."

 

[bullitpdq68]

The 25th Amendment is the quickest way to get him out before he can do any more damage. They couldn't even get an impeachment started before he's out now.

I know that has been floated around, but I fear that if that were to be done that many of Trumps most hardened core supporters would become unhinged, I mean look they were willing to overrun the capital. Many of his most harden supporters actually point to how the left has treated him unfairly the last four years as a excuse for how things unfolded last night. So if he was to be removed from power with two weeks left, the power would hold over his hard core supporters those who are willing to die for him to support the cause this might set them off.

The thing that I found funny is that he lit the fuse yesterday by telling his supporters that he would walk with them on this quest to right the wrong that was about to happen. Many believed that he actually was walking with them to congress and did walk with them. But in the end he sent them down to do the dirty work while he loaded up in his car and sought the safety and comfort at the white house.

 

[bullitpdq68]

This is exactly what Trump wanted to see happen. Now which party is unlawful lunatics??

I actually watched Trumps speech and I could tell that this would not end well the words he used the demeaner of his speech he may not have ordered the code red...but it was understood what he wanted.

I texted my wife to turn on the TV because I thought something was about to go down, I hoped I was wrong but I could see this building for the last several weeks since Trump lost the election....He is like a wounded animal and many times they will and do turn on anybody just trying to help them, that is why you are seeing so many now resigning.

 

[Expect2Win]

I know that has been floated around, but I fear that if that were to be done that many of Trumps most hardened core supporters would become unhinged, I mean look they were willing to overrun the capital. Many of his most harden supporters actually point to how the left has treated him unfairly the last four years as a excuse for how things unfolded last night. So if he was to be removed from power with two weeks left, the power would hold over his hard core supporters those who are willing to die for him to support the cause this might set them off.

If he is removed by the 25th then they will have to recognize it was done by the right and his own people.
This is why he wants loyalty in his people.

 

[Pancho and Lefty]

Yep, Trump told them all right, his words "Go home. We love you. You're beautiful people."

Unreal on all of the protesters he has commented on over the past several years, now he tells them he loves them and they are beautiful.

 

[3Rfan]

If he is removed by the 25th then they will have to recognize it was done by the right and his own people.
This is why he wants loyalty in his people.

THIS!!! His own people could end this thang and should! Absolutely the best and quickest way to get him out. I don't recall who, I think it was Miller, who said it but they kept saying, well 3R nothing has happened after you said it would. I actually said he 'could' do lots of bad things. Well here it is and it's as bad as it gets, at least I hope this is the worst he would do. But they need to get him outta there before he really goes off the rails. I seriously doubt if anybody in military leadership/pentagon would follow some crazy order if he tried to do something.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Can you imagine the bloodbath that would have occurred if Black Lives Matter protesters had stormed the Capitol? They would have been mowed down and the right would be applauding.

 

[Expect2Win]

I find it interesting the right can't just say we were wrong, our people are not acting right.
They have to take a shot at the left anytime they are in the wrong.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I find it interesting the right can't just say we were wrong, our people are not acting right.
They have to take a shot at the left anytime they are in the wrong.

Well now many are claiming it was Antifa that stormed the Capital and that it was the Trump supporters who were just going in and trying to stop it madness. Many people on social media are even actually posting videos of Trump supporters that they say support the fact they were just there to protect the capital....you couldn't write a movie script any more crazy and unhinged from reality than this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/07/antifa-capitol-gaetz-trump-riot/

 

[bullitpdq68]

Can you imagine the bloodbath that would have occurred if Black Lives Matter protesters had stormed the Capitol? They would have been mowed down and the right would be applauding.

The video I really like is the black officer out number and being challenged by a white man while running away instead of reaching for a gun to try and defend himself, he instead bends over to get his batoon and works hard to retreat.... I have so much respect for that policeman.

 

[Expect2Win]

Well now many are claiming it was Antifa that stormed the Capital and that it was the Trump supporters who were just going in and trying to stop it madness. Many people on social media are even actually posting videos of Trump supporters that they support the fact they were just there to protect the capital....you couldn't write a movie script any more crazy and unhinged from reality than this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/07/antifa-capitol-gaetz-trump-riot/

A guy I went to high school with and a cousin are both spouting that same conspiracy stuff on FB. It was funded by Soros, and the actors involved were at the BLM protests in Arizona.
That's fine for them, they have a couple hundred FB friends. Matt Gaetz spouting this stuff is a problem, and how we ended up here in the first place.
If this were a movie, it's time to change the channel. Can we all agree to go watch ESPN + the body issue behind the scenes?

 

[Expect2Win]

@bullitpdq68 as far as the original post goes. You do realize MGHS was completely correct yesterday was just hyperbole. Nothing said or done, actually means anything.

 

[bullitpdq68]

@bullitpdq68 as far as the original post goes. You do realize MGHS was completely correct yesterday was just hyperbole. Nothing said or done, actually means anything.

All I have to say is....tell that to the young woman who lost her life, because she actually believed in Trump and believed his lies he continues to spout about the election. I don't think there is anything hyperbole about that.

 

[vbsideout]

I said it on another post, but when this is all investigated we will find that Clinton and Obama are the cause as they activated the white populace arm of ANTIFA and BLM

 

[3Rfan]

The video I really like is the black officer out number and being challenged by a white man while running away instead of reaching for a gun to try and defend himself, he instead bends over to get his batoon and works hard to retreat.... I have so much respect for that policeman.

What do you think would have happened if pulled a gun and started shooting? IF he survived he would be the most demonized man in the country today for firing the first shot. There was too many for him to get and they knew it. The one that kept moving toward him knew he was not in danger. That poor guy was on his radio calling for help that too waaaay too long to show up. There was NO reason for that building not to be the most secure place on earth yesterday before those folks ever got close to it. TOTAL failure on the part of MANY who were suppose to be in charge.

 

[HomeyR]

All I have to say is....tell that to the young woman who lost her life, because she actually believed in Trump and believed his lies he continues to spout about the election. I don't think there is anything hyperbole about that.

She was an adult and obviously made a bad (fatal) choice to participate in an insurrection.

 

[3Rfan]

She was an adult and obviously made a bad (fatal) choice to participate in an insurrection.

A capitol police officer has died from injuries received yesterday. Haven't heard the extent of the injuries to the other officers.

 

[MGHS]

Yep, Trump told them all right, his words "Go home. We love you. You're beautiful people."

What did you want him to say....demean and degrade them and then tell them to go home??
Not everyone stormed the gov. couple of hundred. 70ish arrested. So some of the people where just peacefully protesting and showing Support. I mean compared to June with 400+ arrest in four days. The destruction and violence that happened then was massive and this was a drop in the bucket.

But those who stormed the capital should be punished and pay for their crimes......Sort of weird though that BLM/Antifa and such besieged a gov. building and Oregon and it was all the cops and Trumps fault.....Now a few angry, oppressed and disenfranchised Trump supporters give a lame half hearted attempt at doing the same and they are demonized like no other. That is why this will get worse and worse.

As long as the Narrative remains the same and the MSM and the Left do this the Right will hunker down and become more and more extreme and violent. Create your own monsters at your own risk.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

I haven't seen a crowd estimate, but there was easily 5,000 people on the Capitol steps and immediate area that busted thru the barricades.

 

[bullitpdq68]

She was an adult and obviously made a bad (fatal) choice to participate in an insurrection.

So you support Trump and his lies? Had Trump not gone on for the last month spouting lies about the election and other Congress members agreeing with him, she would not have been there..

I agree she made her own choice, but she was given a lie... but we all make choices.

 

[bullitpdq68]

What did you want him to say....demean and degrade them and then tell them to go home??
Not everyone stormed the gov. couple of hundred. 70ish arrested. So some of the people where just peacefully protesting and showing Support. I mean compared to June with 400+ arrest in four days. The destruction and violence that happened then was massive and this was a drop in the bucket.

But those who stormed the capital should be punished and pay for their crimes......Sort of weird though that BLM/Antifa and such besieged a gov. building and Oregon and it was all the cops and Trumps fault.....Now a few angry, oppressed and disenfranchised Trump supporters give a lame half hearted attempt at doing the same and they are demonized like no other. That is why this will get worse and worse.

As long as the Narrative remains the same and the MSM and the Left do this the Right will hunker down and become more and more extreme and violent. Create your own monsters at your own risk.

It is clear the protesters from June and the ones that took over the capital were treated very differently from the start. So had the police responded with the same force as they did in June things would assuradly be different.

 

[HomeyR]

So you support Trump and his lies? Had Trump not gone on for the last month spouting lies about the election and other Congress members agreeing with him, she would not have been there..

I agree she made her own choice, but she was given a lie... but we all make choices.

Look... I'm as anti Trump as anyone around and I assume that most people have the ability to reasonably think for themselves. We've all had 4+ years to become conditioned to Trump's constant stream of lies and deception. For whatever reason, she bought into him hook, line, and sinker... and she paid an unfortunate price. As far as I know, no one forced her to be there.

 

[SadButTrue]

What did you want him to say....demean and degrade them and then tell them to go home??
Not everyone stormed the gov. couple of hundred. 70ish arrested. So some of the people where just peacefully protesting and showing Support. I mean compared to June with 400+ arrest in four days. The destruction and violence that happened then was massive and this was a drop in the bucket.

But those who stormed the capital should be punished and pay for their crimes......Sort of weird though that BLM/Antifa and such besieged a gov. building and Oregon and it was all the cops and Trumps fault.....Now a few angry, oppressed and disenfranchised Trump supporters give a lame half hearted attempt at doing the same and they are demonized like no other. That is why this will get worse and worse.

As long as the Narrative remains the same and the MSM and the Left do this the Right will hunker down and become more and more extreme and violent. Create your own monsters at your own risk.

They marched because they were getting killed. You all are rioting because you didn't get your way. It's not the same.

 

[MGHS]

Really....a statistical zero of minorities getting killed by cops (13-15 unarmed Black men shot in 2019)and that warrants riots go on for months destroying the property of innocent civilians plus the taking of lives of innocent civilians as opposed to the opposite end of the Crazy spectrum those who chose storming the gates of the Gov. and literally those few focusing their anger at the very people they View as People Behind corruption and fraudulent actions.

Any logical person would view that the Gate crashers at least didn't focus their anger on their neighbors and innocent people. And they focused their anger at the people they perceive and believe is the issue aka Gov. officials.

Also I'm on record on this board stating that I believe rioting and protesting is a waste of time and that a better course of action is to follow Whitney Young's plan. So You All doesn't apply to me.

Although I will admit the left might influencing the right because of the recent success of BLM/Antifa with riots

Riots are destructive, dangerous, and scary — but can lead to serious social reforms

To prevent more violent uprisings and protests, we need to take their causes seriously.

www.vox.com

I also find it odd that the MSM and their Followers are conditioned to ignore and justify the behavior of the extreme Left and to condemn any LEO action to limit their violence, but quickly flip Script if it's a extreme Right Group and condemn them to the ends of the world....plus they then decide to humanize the LEO as opposed to painting them as thugs.

Propagandist no doubt to the highest degree have divided this country. Once the left wing Media made the decision to Label those who Don't have their way of thinking as radical and dangerous. Then put forth a actual media effort to demonize Millions as homophobic, racist, xenophobic and misogynistic as the norm. And high ranking officials in one party and in the media have used the word re-educate the other group of Millions then the ground work for all kinds of chaos has been laid.

This is clearly is not the way to span the divide. It just increases it.

 

[Expect2Win]

What makes you any better than the MSM? You are justifying what they did by talking about corruption.

 

[Vallegrad2]

So you support Trump and his lies? Had Trump not gone on for the last month spouting lies about the election and other Congress members agreeing with him, she would not have been there..

I agree she made her own choice, but she was given a lie... but we all make choices.

Intelligence is a gift, ignorance is a choice!

 

[bullitpdq68]

Intelligence is a gift, ignorance is a choice!

Correct, but studies have proven under certain circumstances that even intelligent people make bad decision. Again I am by no way condoning what was done. You get that many people together there is always going to be an agitator and many others who will blindly follow.

I have been at a football game and somebody yell after a tackle you missed the facemask when clearly there was no facemask, yet before you know it 2,000 other people in the stands are yelling you missed the facemask and booing the officials when clearly nobody saw it and it never happened!

Herd mentality, mob mentality and pack mentality, also lesser known as gang mentality, describes how people can be influenced by their peers to adopt certain behaviors on a largely emotional, rather than rational, basis. When individuals are affected by mob mentality, they may make different decisions than they would have individually.

 

[3Rfan]

Correct, but studies have proven under certain circumstances that even intelligent people make bad decision. Again I am by no way condoning what was done. You get that many people together there is always going to be an agitator and many others who will blindly follow.

I have been at a football game and somebody yell after a tackle you missed the facemask when clearly there was no facemask, yet before you know it 2,000 other people in the stands are yelling you missed the facemask and booing the officials when clearly nobody saw it and it never happened!

Herd mentality, mob mentality and pack mentality, also lesser known as gang mentality, describes how people can be influenced by their peers to adopt certain behaviors on a largely emotional, rather than rational, basis. When individuals are affected by mob mentality, they may make different decisions than they would have individually.

Those folks were mostly influenced by the president of the United States and it wasn't just by the speech he made just before they went to the capitol. It was over 4 years of the BS he pedaled and especially the last few months of him constantly claiming if he didn't win it was rigged, even before the election.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Those folks were mostly influenced by the president of the United States and it wasn't just by the speech he made just before they went to the capitol. It was over 4 years of the BS he pedaled and especially the last few months of him constantly claiming if he didn't win it was rigged, even before the election.

Totally agree, hell I have close family relations that will not speak to me right now because I dared to say Trump lost the election fair and square. It is sad how he divided this country and families over these false calms.

 

[HomeyR]

Those folks were mostly influenced by the president of the United States and it wasn't just by the speech he made just before they went to the capitol. It was over 4 years of the BS he pedaled and especially the last few months of him constantly claiming if he didn't win it was rigged, even before the election.

Spot on...