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How To: Make the Libertarian Party a real political player.

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Will Willinson, head of the Niskanen Center, put forward a glorious argument for an effective libertarianism in the 21st century. It starts with an unsettling fact: that the richer a country is, the more it’s government tends to spend. This is true regardless of the different sorts of countries you look at across time. Whether big government is a luxury or a parasite (any good libertarian will be inclined towards the latter), there is that constant trend.

Wilkinson puts forwards two goals:

1. libertarians should be the champions of waste reduction and growth.

2.We can distinguish between the welfare state (which can be improved rather than abolished) and the more insidious enemy that is the regulatory apparatus. We can push for a transformation of the welfare state from the current sprawling money pit to a lean poverty reducer of the sort Hayek, Friedman, Mill, or Paine would support.

Libertarians can also channel the spirit of the counterculture and social justice into a force to be reckoned with. We should emphasize how the free enterprise system has done more to emancipate the masses from poverty than anything else in the history of mankind. We can talk about how it is government action (like the drug war, regulation, and a faulty welfare state) that perpetuates poverty, inequality, and class privilege.

Classical liberalism was the first great ideology of political and social revolution, abolishing old privileges of nobility, government monopoly, and guilds in favor of a freer and more equal society. In a world where we have government officials with aristocratic titles like Czar, government backed cartelization of industry, and government holding down large swathes of the masses, libertarianism should reclaim the old revolutionary spirit, and win voters accordingly.

I’d argue that there are four core groups that should be targeted by Libertarians:

  1. Moderate Republicans
  2. Fiscally Centrist Democrats
  3. True Liberals
  4. Constitutional Conservatives.
Despite the perception that libertarians are just pot smoking republicans, in the beginning of the election Gary Johnson was pulling a 60/40 majority of his voters from Clinton rather than Trump. The assumption was that Johnson’s unique appeal among disenfranchised Sanderistas, and young voters as a whole, was harming Clinton disproportionately. Given how Johnson took the second largest chunk of Sanders voters, it seems there’s some rationale to that. But there was likely another factor at play: there are many voters who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal who lean towards the Democrats because of their social stances; Johnson probably pulled away many of those voters as well. These are the voters that the DLC won over in the Clinton years and they can be won over again.

There are also those last holdouts of socially liberal, to moderate, Republicanism. Bill Weld is the archetypical example of this, and his record in Massachusetts showed that a message of good government, fiscal responsibility, and social acceptance can sweep even the bluest of states. These sorts of republicans have tolerated the increasing cultural aggression of the GOP for many years, but this election a great many sucked it up, held their noses, and voted for Hillary Clinton. This is evident in places like Bergen County, NJ; Orange County, CA; Salt Lake County, Utah; and Gwinnett County, Georgia; which backed Mitt Romney in 2012 but voted for Clinton in 2016. They have no love for the Democratic Party, but the party of Trump increasingly comes off as a foreign entity to them, particularly in the age of Trump. It’s no wonder that one of these sorts of Republicans served as the Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee and another, Lisa Murkowski, attempted to run as a Libertarian in 2010.

There is one group of voters that I call “True Liberals” who would be valuable recruits to a broader liberty movement. Free Speech advocacy, anti-war activism, and fighting the man may sound like a throwback to the 60s New Left, but they’re exactly the sort of values libertarians should fight for.

In 2008, Vietnam-era throwback, Senator Mike Gravel, netted the support of Ralph Nader based on an antiwar campaign during the Democratic Primary: when that failed he saw it as completely natural to try for the Libertarian nomination.

Occupy Wall Street might seem like a progressive nightmare, but in 2012 there were only two politicians – both Republicans – to go down there: Gary Johnson (who would go on to be the 2012 and 2016 Libertarian nominee) and Buddy Roemer (who would endorse Johnson and also become a darling of the media and liberal left). This liberal spirit in Libertarianism further manifested itself in 2016, when it was Gary Johnson who took in the second biggest chunk of the liberal vote – after Hillary Clinton.

Constitutional conservatives are another very natural part of the Libertarian coalition. Ted Cruz was not a true libertarian, but he was the only candidate to explicitly include libertarians in his desired coalition. One of the most libertarian moments from the Republican debates was when Ted Cruz ripped into Marco Rubio for e-verify, on the grounds of it being a big government intrusion. Predictably, when Ted Cruz dropped out, online searches for Gary Johnson and the Libertarian Party spiked. Though Cruz ultimately caved and endorsed Trump, fellow Constitutional Conservative Mike Lee always held his ground and refused to endorse Trump. Cruz’s support was disproportionately in the Great Plains and mountain-west, which just so happened to also be the areas Gary Johnson tended to fare the best in, showing that these voters already have a very strong libertarian streak.

Parties win, in the United States, by bringing together different sorts of people for different reasons under one party banner. When Libertarian candidates bring in non-libertarians or more moderate thinkers to the party, we should celebrate – not moan! In an era when overall identification with political parties is at an all-time low and more than half of Americans are clamoring for an alternative, it is not just an opportunity, but a moral duty for the Libertarian Party to reform itself and become a competitive entity.

By looking to the history of the Democratic renewal we can see a model of how changing to the electorate can yield tremendous political results for a party. I hope these lessons can be applied by Libertarians, to help us become the force that the nation desperately needs and desires.
 
Cultural aggression of the GOP is a GD lie. Libertarians are no better as constitutional relativism than the far left. You're my greatest example.
 
Cultural aggression of the GOP is a GD lie. Libertarians are no better as constitutional relativism than the far left. You're my greatest example.

You can keep the party of Lincoln. I prefer the party of Jefferson and Madison.
 
You can keep the party of Lincoln. I prefer the party of Jefferson and Madison.
The history of Jefferson and Madison has been whitewashed. Both would approve of Donald Trump. What are the sources of literature that formed your opinion? Include the reference title, it's easy to find the author. I think you're a fraud, thanks in advance. On the other hand, you might be more objective of your liberal arts studies. With that said, you're a joke.
 
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The history of Jefferson and Madison has been whitewashed. Both would approve of Donald Trump. What are the sources of literature that formed your opinion? I think you're a fraud, thanks in advance.

Hope I don't lose any sleep because of your opinion of me...

I'm with the ACTUAL party of small government and fiscal responsibility.

You're just a right wing liberal.
 
I’d argue that there are four core groups that should be targeted by Libertarians:

  1. Moderate Republicans
  2. Fiscally Centrist Democrats
  3. True Liberals
  4. Constitutional Conservatives.
Totally agree with this assessment, to some degree, I would venture that somewhere between 50% and 70% of Americans align closer politically with Libertarians than Republicans or Democrats and just don't realize it.

The moderate majority just needs to wake up and retake what is ours.
 
Hope I don't lose any sleep because of your opinion of me...

I'm with the ACTUAL party of small government and fiscal responsibility.

You're just a right wing liberal.
Gotcha, noted. Have you visited Boston? Have you read any books to support such a flimsy argument?
 
I’d argue that there are four core groups that should be targeted by Libertarians:

  1. Moderate Republicans
  2. Fiscally Centrist Democrats
  3. True Liberals
  4. Constitutional Conservatives.
Totally agree with this assessment, to some degree, I would venture that somewhere between 50% and 70% of Americans align closer politically with Libertarians than Republicans or Democrats and just don't realize it.

The moderate majority just needs to wake up and retake what is ours.
Rand Paul has always claimed the similarites of the two parties. Yet he offers little in regards to an alternative. The best quote I've ever read....when the money runs out, the system collapses, people will wake up to Libertarian thinking. In other words, it's not an alternative at all.
 
Gotcha, noted. Have you visited Boston? Have you read any books to support such a flimsy argument?

I'm not arguing, just making a statement.

With as much as you claim to read, one would assume your comprehension skills would be better.
 
Rand Paul has always claimed the similarites of the two parties. Yet he offers little in regards to an alternative. The best quote I've ever read....when the money runs out, the system collapses, people will wake up to Libertarian thinking. In other words, it's not an alternative at all.

Rand Paul is a Republican...why would he be offering alternatives?

Don't claim to be conservative, Republicans are big spending, government expansionists who are so fiscally irresponsible they refuse to pay their bills.
 
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Rand Paul is a Republican...why would he be offering alternatives?

Don't claim to be conservative, Republicans are big spending, government expansionists who are so fiscally irresponsible they refuse to pay their bills.
Rand is his father's son. Ron Paul is his father. Both are great examples why Gary Johnson couldn't hold their jocks.
 
The history of Jefferson and Madison has been whitewashed. Both would approve of Donald Trump. What are the sources of literature that formed your opinion? Include the reference title, it's easy to find the author. I think you're a fraud, thanks in advance. On the other hand, you might be more objective of your liberal arts studies. With that said, you're a joke.
I'm still waiting on how you've formed opposition of tyranny.
 
Jefferson and Madison have been thoroughly discredited by the left. Their thoughts are the sport of those that wish to destroy America. I can't begin to explain my anger in those that believe inadequate information.
 
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Whatever you say. Nothing I said would have been acceptable, why bother?
So where do you teach? What is your name? I want to alert the admin that you're full of fecal material and not fit to influence young minds based on your ignorance of the subject matter you present as factual information.
 
I'm concerned only with those that are innocent and may be subjected to influences that are not what their parents want.
 
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So where do you teach? What is your name? I want to alert the admin that you're full of fecal material and not fit to influence young minds based on your ignorance of the subject matter you present as factual information.

I asked you a long time ago, you chose not to divulge the information.

Why should I tell you anything if you refuse to give the same information.

You can quit derailing this thread with your nonsense.
 
I asked you a long time ago, you chose not to divulge the information.

Why should I tell you anything if you refuse to give the same information.

You can quit derailing this thread with your nonsense.
I don't teach, I have nothing to lose. You're afraid I am not. This says more about the world we live in than you'll admit. I've read where you've threatened WCS coach. It's not nice and you should admit this is wrong and stop doing it, that would go a long way in my book. If we met in person, I would crush you just as I do with topics of ideology and political truths.
 
I don't teach, I have nothing to lose. You're afraid I am not. This says more about the world we live in than you'll admit. I've read where you've threatened WCS coach. It's not nice and you should admit this is wrong and stop doing it, that would go a long way in my book. If we met in person, I would crush you just as I do with topics of ideology and political truths.

There have been multiple calls to my school over the years about my political views. Of course not one has had the integrity to leave their own name when calling.
 
There have been multiple calls to my school over the years about my political views. Of course not one has had the integrity to leave their own name when calling.

Maybe you should stop being such an @sshole in public.

Either that or quit claiming to be some holier than thou Christian.

You're just a Christianist, too stupid to understand the difference between facts and beliefs.
 
I love guys like you. Message board tough guys who would never in a million years have the guts to say anything like that to someone's face. Does it make you feel better?
 
I love guys like you. Message board tough guys who would never in a million years have the guts to say anything like that to someone's face. Does it make you feel better?

Lol I have no issue calling you an @sshole to your face. I'm not driving 3 hours to do it, you're not worth time, energy, and gas.
 
There have been multiple calls to my school over the years about my political views. Of course not one has had the integrity to leave their own name when calling.
I'd kick his arse. But he's a coward.
 
You don't appear to be the type willing to drive 3 minutes.
He's a self-righteous tough guy on this board. I doubt he'd be much of problem if push came to shove. A little whiny beeyotch that calls and doesn't leave his name. A limp wrist weenie like I imagined. I'd like to kick his face for fun. But that might hurt his feelings.
 
He's a self-righteous tough guy on this board. I doubt he'd be much of problem if push came to shove. A little whiny beeyotch that calls and doesn't leave his name. A limp wrist weenie like I imagined. I'd like to kick his face for fun. But that might hurt his feelings.

Bye troll.

IGNORE
 
Cool story, tell it at parties.



Ooh tell me more about me oh wise one...wish I had a dollar for every time you were wrong about something.

Let me guess, you'll make some crack about me being poor, even though you know nothing about my finances.
Please invite yourself attend a party of mine. It'll be so fun.
 
Just curious ag-man did you report Blizzard for this: "I'd pay to see that. Knowing him, he would do what he wanted. I got Fist, fist up your a-hole while you cry. Bent over like the beeyotch you are."
Come on be consistent.
 
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