How long before Russian and Americans

[Scout 4u]

There's an awful lot of wrong in that post.

Bashar al-Assad ? Ali Khamenei ? Fuad Masum? Recep Tayyip Redogan ? Jaber Al-Mubarak Al-Hamad Al Sabah ? Salman bin Abdulaziz ?

Tell me where I'm wrong without using "those people" in your answer .

You may start by telling me your version of the Iraq/Iran war.

 

[The Rumor]

Lets see...

Iran didn't go to war with Iraq, it responded to a war of aggression by Iraq

The secular Baathist state and Iran were extremely ideologically opposed. That was the core cause of the war, not irans desire to get Iraqi oil.

Saudis control barely over 10 percent of the worlds oil supply and about twenty percent of the proven reserves, not half.

Russia is a net oil exporter with zero need to "sell out to Iran." Russia has other wishes.

 

[Scout 4u]

Lets see...

Iran didn't go to war with Iraq, it responded to a war of aggression by Iraq

The secular Baathist state and Iran were extremely ideologically opposed. That was the core cause of the war, not irans desire to get Iraqi oil.

Saudis control barely over 10 percent of the worlds oil supply and about twenty percent of the proven reserves, not half.

Russia is a net oil exporter with zero need to "sell out to Iran." Russia has other wishes.

Iran responded to Saddam Hussein's use of WMD's in that war, code word for liberals, "act of aggression".
Bit of "revision of history" there.

No "Oil" was not the primary cause of the war, just wanted to see if you would mention the use of chemical weapons...
NOT!

As for Saudi Arabia's Oil Reserves...

"Proven" oil reserves stand at 268 billion barrels ; (43x10*9 m*3) making it the second largest in the world, only under Venezuela which just in 2011 moved up their "proven" reserves to 297 Gbbl.

Where are your stats coming from, MSNBC?

Now Russia...
First they invade South Osstetia, stopping Georgia from taking control of the gas pipe lines that run from the Black Sea.
Then take back control of Georgia, guaranteeing that they will always be a puppet state to Russia.
Move into Ukraine with thousands of troops, shoot down a commercial airliner with a surface to air missile, while simultaneously taking total control of Crimea, bombing civilians indiscriminately.

Did I mention they now control one of the largest pipe lines in the world from the Black Sea to our allies in Europe .

I guess Vladimir Putin didn't get the memo that Barack Obama has made a RED LINE.

Now Russia is in Syria telling Obama to keep his planes out of "their" airspace.

How is that carrot instead of a stick working for you now?

 

[Neutron Monster]

uhhh...you remember the Georgia invasion took place when Bush was president, right?

No US president is going to do much about Russia playing in its backyard. If it wants to play around in Crimea, Ossetia, whatever...it's not a major concern of ours.

Syria is the only thing it has done that is all that interesting. And I don't believe for a second it has anything to do with Obama's not helpful redline comments. Russia is playing its own game. Russia has been supporting Assad since 2011 in the civil war. Assad's regime is in rougher and rougher shape. Russia felt it was time to get involved more strongly, likely to bolster Assad's position in any international anti-ISIS coalition, to make itself look better domestically, and to make a statement to its regional allies that it will not give up on them even if they have trouble.

The US is unlikely to push too hard against Russia when we feel we need their help with the chemical weapons situation in Syria.

We pretend far too much that what Russia does is about us when it is often about them. Not everything that happens in this world is because of the US government.

The real wildcard in Syria/Iraq isn't Russia or Assad - it is Iran. Can the US and Iran ever can formally work together against ISIS? Will Iran stop sending large amounts of aid and materiel to support Assad? Iran is still much more heavily involved than Russia is.

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http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...ivision-increases-tensions-in-syria/73663952/

Russia is a symptom of the core problem in the Middle East - the Middle East is a divided world. Each bloc has different interests. The US (and Russia) don't have the ability right now to create a unified approach to Syria.

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Stepping back from all of this, the expectations of what an R President would really do differently than Obama are what, exactly? Obama's Syria policy hasn't always been good or coherent but the current policy is basically the mainstream approach - planes in the air, guns for select allies, opposition to ISIS and Assad, and no boots on the ground.

 

[Neutron Monster]

As for the chemical weapons stuff...why would I mention something that wasn't relevant to the discussion at hand? Why didn't I mention Mao Tse-Tung in the post? He's just as irrelevant to your point.

And, "revision of history" for Iran vs. Iraq...the war came about because Saddam attacked Iran. That is factual. I have no idea what you are getting at. Yes, Iran got pissed and tried to push into Iraq, but that was not the casus belli. That was Iran deciding Saddam was a terror and they wanted him replaced with a conservative Shia government that reflected the majority of the local population.

Energy data comes from the EIA, OPEC, and IEA, Do keep in mind that not all oil is created equally - Venezuela's oil is generally low quality and is difficult to refine. Thus, looking at "proven reserves" only doesn't give a great picture of how useful the oil is

 

[Scout 4u]

As for the chemical weapons stuff...why would I mention something that wasn't relevant to the discussion at hand? Why didn't I mention Mao Tse-Tung in the post? He's just as irrelevant to your point.

And, "revision of history" for Iran vs. Iraq...the war came about because Saddam attacked Iran. That is factual. I have no idea what you are getting at. Yes, Iran got pissed and tried to push into Iraq, but that was not the casus belli. That was Iran deciding Saddam was a terror and they wanted him replaced with a conservative Shia government that reflected the majority of the local population.

Energy data comes from the EIA, OPEC, and IEA, Do keep in mind that not all oil is created equally - Venezuela's oil is generally low quality and is difficult to refine. Thus, looking at "proven reserves" only doesn't give a great picture of how useful the oil is

Gee, where to start?

First I guess, we agree to disagree on just about everything...

No surprise there.

Second, though I don't mind discussing the issues with you, 3r was the one making the comments, I was just countering.

Now about oil statistics...

You are correct in stating that like in every equation, the numbers produce the result the user chooses to read into them.
OPEC just for one example puts out data that promotes oil related endeavors of "their" choosing.

As for History...
One man's acquisition, is another man's theft.
Depending on which man you are.

Nice talking with you but need to go to work, feel free to respond ....

I'll be back later with more goulash...lol

 

[vbsideout]

To over throw a dictator always works out so well. I wonder why we don't meddle with Africa ? Where's the out r

As for the chemical weapons stuff...why would I mention something that wasn't relevant to the discussion at hand? Why didn't I mention Mao Tse-Tung in the post? He's just as irrelevant to your point.

And, "revision of history" for Iran vs. Iraq...the war came about because Saddam attacked Iran. That is factual. I have no idea what you are getting at. Yes, Iran got pissed and tried to push into Iraq, but that was not the casus belli. That was Iran deciding Saddam was a terror and they wanted him replaced with a conservative Shia government that reflected the majority of the local population.

Energy data comes from the EIA, OPEC, and IEA, Do keep in mind that not all oil is created equally - Venezuela's oil is generally low quality and is difficult to refine. Thus, looking at "proven reserves" only doesn't give a great picture of how useful the oil is

casus belli please quit talking French NM

 

[The Rumor]

Lol at French that made my day.

 

[3Rfan]

Gee, where to start?

First I guess, we agree to disagree on just about everything...

No surprise there.

Second, though I don't mind discussing the issues with you, 3r was the one making the comments, I was just countering.

Now about oil statistics...

You are correct in stating that like in every equation, the numbers produce the result the user chooses to read into them.
OPEC just for one example puts out data that promotes oil related endeavors of "their" choosing.

As for History...
One man's acquisition, is another man's theft.
Depending on which man you are.

Nice talking with you but need to go to work, feel free to respond ....

I'll be back later with more goulash...lol

You posted all that because of my joke about a Russian bomb intended for Syria hit inside Iran? I feel soooo important now.

 

[Duck_walk]

Gee, where to start?

First I guess, we agree to disagree on just about everything...

No surprise there.

Second, though I don't mind discussing the issues with you, 3r was the one making the comments, I was just countering.

Now about oil statistics...

You are correct in stating that like in every equation, the numbers produce the result the user chooses to read into them.
OPEC just for one example puts out data that promotes oil related endeavors of "their" choosing.

As for History...
One man's acquisition, is another man's theft.
Depending on which man you are.

Nice talking with you but need to go to work, feel free to respond ....

I'll be back later with more goulash...lol

When someone says "we will agree to disagree" that usually means you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Whack job.

 

[Scout 4u]

When someone says "we will agree to disagree" that usually means you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Whack job.

Rumor is a little liberal but not a whack job.
Duck you need to be nice to your fellow Earth dweller...