How long before Russian and Americans
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Russia and the US both are flying missions over Syria daily. All it takes is one pilot to do something stupid. If they shoot down an American plane we can't let them get away with it.
Putin is going to keep pushing because he knows Obama won't do anything but capitulate like he has done since he took office
Is this the new Fox News fear fest story? I've heard multiple conservatives at work tell me I should worry about this.
Maybe they are smart enough to realize that having US and Russian military operating in the same country on different sides of a civil war is a powder keg waiting to explode????
And if Hillary and the Hawks put a no fly zone over rebel held areas of Syria what do you do when Russia ignors it??
I have lost five IQ points this week reading WCfanforever trying to impress with his view of the world. OMG.
So you are saying that just by reading my posts you are half as smart as you were last week.
You know who wants to get into a shooting war less than the United States? Russia. They're not going to intentionally kill Americans.
Stick to what you are good at sir. And that is
making absurd caveman comments about gun ownership.
Let me get this straight...we managed to not go to war with them in Vietnam and other proxy wars but something is going to happen now that creates real tension?
No way. This is dream world stuff where we pretend people whose rhetoric is really anti us are actually willing to engage us in some way on a battlefield.
No way. This is dream world stuff where we pretend people whose rhetoric is really anti us are actually willing to engage us in some way on a battlefield.
Look at how much we have had rhetoric about Iran, Russia, China, etc over the years. Look how many proxy wars we have been in. Nothing major ever really happens.
Yes you are right. We need to go to war with Russia. It is this type of thinking that is really scary and many Pubs would agree with you. Let the Russians deal with the Middle East. They are dong us a favor. At this point Obama should make sure our troops stay out of the way or capitulate as you call it and let the Russians have at it. There is no winning formula for the Mideast and there never will be. Can you and your Russian buddies say Afghanistan how did that work out for them.
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Good Lord
Do you really think its in the national interest of the United States to get out of the Mid East and let Russia move in ???
Good Lord
What in gods green earth does that have to do with the situation in the middle east??
The big difference is you have Putin as leader of Russia, he sees himself as Superman riding a horse without a shirt and herding tigers with a switch.
He sees Obama as Mighty Mouse. He has a cute suit and flies around acting tough but all he really ever does is leave a trail of mouse poop for others to clean up.
Putin fears Obama and the United States not at all and he is going to keep pushing until someone decides to stop him
that is pure fiction and insanely bad justification for how to run foreign policy
Our enemies are more rational than that. when we pretend Putin is a crazy guy on a horse we are going to draw the wrong conclusions.
Russia wants to look strong for its domestic audience. that is its number one goal. It is willing to help Assad for that reason. They aren't expecting to improve their position in the Middle East - most of our allies oppose Assad.
Putin is not an idiot. He is willing to support Assad but he is not willing to do things with a material risk of causing a confrontation with the US. The same is true of us - we aren't going to do something that makes Russia go stupid. The cost/benefit isn't there.
Our enemies are more rational than that. when we pretend Putin is a crazy guy on a horse we are going to draw the wrong conclusions.
Russia wants to look strong for its domestic audience. that is its number one goal. It is willing to help Assad for that reason. They aren't expecting to improve their position in the Middle East - most of our allies oppose Assad.
Putin is not an idiot. He is willing to support Assad but he is not willing to do things with a material risk of causing a confrontation with the US. The same is true of us - we aren't going to do something that makes Russia go stupid. The cost/benefit isn't there.
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Who said we are out? You act like the only choices are all in or all out?
Russia's involvement complicates things but it doesn't mean you disengage. The US is not going to stop bombing ISIS
Iran took over a million casualties in the first Gulf War just for a shot at taking Iraq. Russia is now working with the Iranians for a chance to make that happen.
I guess you have no problem with Putin working with Iran's radical fundamentalist, Ali Khamenei to take back Iraq.
Why do you even think we've been guarding The Straits of Hormuz for over 50 years?
With due respect, Russia doesn't give a damn about Obama's red line.
Wars are not fought over oil just in America.
Bush was right, we will be back in the Middle East once again...
Iran has been the closest ally of Iraq for nearly a decade now. They are also a major ally of Assad. They are on the same side as Russia. What is this nonsense you are talking about????
Just a thought, why not use this time to work on alternative fuel sources? We eliminate our reliance on oil and we have ZERO reason to be in the middle east.
We do invest a lot of money in alternative fuel sources. The national lab that I work at has a strong mandate from DOE to improve battery efficiency, which is the real roadblock to electric cars and solar and wind electricity sources. In my humble opinion, solar and wind will never be baseline sources of electricity, but they could provide some contribution to the grid and be a safety supply.
We already have a baseline non-emitting source of energy that is very reliable that's only about 20% of our supply (unfortunately).
Bin Ladin understood better than most Americans that the World Trade Center was more than just a tall building.
Russia in the same like understands that the "World's" oil supply does not come from the US but rather Saudi Arabia .
For all of you liberals out there that think the US military is going to give away the Straits of Hormuz to Russia without a fight truly are living in a dream world.
If we eliminate or significantly reduce the reliance on oil, not just foreign, but oil in general then Russia can have the Strait of Hormuz or whatever else they want from Iran. What part of "we wouldn't need it" are you failing to understand?
The only reason that entire region has any political sway is because of the world's reliance on their most valuable export. We wouldn't even have to engage them in meaningful dialogue or cow tow to their demands if we weren't so reliant on oil.
My question becomes why do you want to be stuck dealing with those people?
Because Lina listen to radical environmentalists who don't want us drilling offshore, in Alaska, in Anywhere,,,,,they think the Keystone pipeline is a sin against nature.
We will always need oil and a lot of it
My home is 100% off grid with solar but it can never work on a national scale. Just too expensive and unreliable
We will always need oil and a lot of it
My home is 100% off grid with solar but it can never work on a national scale. Just too expensive and unreliable
So because it is currently too expensive and unreliable means it always will be? I'll ask again, why not focus on making renewable energy even more viable instead of focusing our time and resources (money, military, etc) to protect/keep access to a finite resource (oil)?
The major problem with solar and wind is that they put out power when it's sunny and the wind is blowing. What happens at night or very cloudy weather and the winds not blowing and we lose all of that input into our power grid???
I have a large bank of 4v Trojan batteries that will run my home 3-4 days
But on a national scale we would need battery bank the size of Texas to be able to store enough energy to do the same thing .
We need to invest money in safer , modern nuclear power
I have a large bank of 4v Trojan batteries that will run my home 3-4 days
But on a national scale we would need battery bank the size of Texas to be able to store enough energy to do the same thing .
We need to invest money in safer , modern nuclear power
We didn't go to war because a building went down. We went to war because thousands of people died.
Russia of all places understands oil is a global market, not a Saudi market, considering it is a major exporter of petrocarbons.
It's not about solar being the only thing, but it can reduce the amount of carbon polluting energy that you need.
You speak from the heart and I believe you believe what your saying is true;
This is my counter...
The majority of the "World's Oil", not "America's", comes from Saudi Arabia .
The nation or nations that control those Saudi Oil fields will virtually be in charge of the world's economy.
There was a reason Iran gave up over a million lives just for the chance to claim Iraq, a bordering country to Saudi Arabia.
There was a reason why Saddam Hussein took Kuwait, a clear shot to the Straits of Hormuz .
And there is a reason why Russia is selling out to the Iranians...
They want a Soviet Satellite State in Syria that can challenge the US control of oil flow in the Arabian Sea.
Barack Obama even admits that we have "Interest".....
in the Persian Gulf.
