How does Private School recruiting work?

[JNreturns]

Enlighten me on how private school recruiting works. I know (for example) Rockhurst usually has Freshman teams lately that take a butt kicking around the city. So when do they bring on all the talent?

After Frosh year? Soph Year? How does this game work?

 

[kaching]

Do you have a son that runs a 4.4. or benches +300, throws a football 60 yards or made every tackle on his junior high team? message me...

 

[JNreturns]

Do you have a son that runs a 4.4. or benches +300, throws a football 60 yards or made every tackle on his junior high team? message me...

What grade? When does most of the roster get added?

 

[tater1972]

KC Metro 8th Grader, multi-sport athlete, at a middle of the pack 5A school gets asked by private STL powerhouse official if he'd be interested in learning about the opportunities said private school can provide. Response, No. Said kid starts 1 way as Freshman asked again after end of Freshman year. Said kid started both ways as Soph, I'm sure contact will be made again at some point, probably from other programs. Good kid, no desire to bolt. It happens, true story. Won't name names of kid or program, but it does happens.

 

[FistOH]

Enlighten me on how private school recruiting works. I know (for example) Rockhurst usually has Freshman teams lately that take a butt kicking around the city. So when do they bring on all the talent?

After Frosh year? Soph Year? How does this game work?

I don't know but I have a tip for you. Dont eat yellow snow.

 

[JNreturns]

I don't know but I have a tip for you. Dont eat yellow snow.

Public school edumucation help you come up with dat?

 

[FistOH]

Public school edumucation help you come up with dat?

You ask too many questions.

 

[mugriswold]

I’m schocked I thought you were all knowing on all subjects.

 

[l_Pete_l]

Here's my take on how recruiting can be done in high school using two areas in Missouri.

According to Wikipedia the greater St. Louis metro area covers 8,261 sq. miles. That's about a 90 mi. by 90 mi. area. The MSA has the population at 2,811,588 for that area leaving a density of 340.3 people per sq mi.

If you take 2/3's of that and go 30 miles all around Lamar you would get, Pittsburg, KS, Webb, Carthage, part of Joplin, Nevada and a bunch of small towns plus the people in the country bringing a combined population of around 140,000. Let's up it to 200,000. At 3,600 sq miles this gives a density at 55.5 people per sq mi.

If you're a school in St Louis you can have players from anywhere in that area. You can recruit a player by offering them free tuition and the hopes of a state championship. I know two private schools where that happens, openly. I know parents that have kids that are great athletes and have been approached by these schools with free tuition. One of the schools wins at least one state championship and usually more every year in KS. They recruit.

If Webb or Lamar could go within that radius and offer free tuition and transportation with the hopes of a state championship they would be untouchable. They've kind of been that without recruiting. BTW, I threw in transportation because public school is mostly tuition free anyways.

So, when you see a St. Louis team that has a way higher number of level 1 players than a public school you begin to wonder. Then you hear of youth coaches that admit to telling his youth team to come play for him at a high school level it doesn't set well with teams that can't do that. One instance stands out. A class 3 school in KC that was dominate in basketball listed their team and where they lived. They had players from all over the entire KC metro area. No school can do this except private schools.

With this said, I don't want private and public split up because the private schools would literally have no restraints and would pull top players worse than they already do. Not sure what the answer is but MSHSAA needs to regulate it deeper than they do. With that said MSHSAA probably doesn't have the budget to investigate deeply into every situation.

Thoughts...???

 

[BPcompete]

Here's my take on how recruiting can be done in high school using two areas in Missouri.

According to Wikipedia the greater St. Louis metro area covers 8,261 sq. miles. That's about a 90 mi. by 90 mi. area. The MSA has the population at 2,811,588 for that area leaving a density of 340.3 people per sq mi.

If you take 2/3's of that and go 30 miles all around Lamar you would get, Pittsburg, KS, Webb, Carthage, part of Joplin, Nevada and a bunch of small towns plus the people in the country bringing a combined population of around 140,000. Let's up it to 200,000. At 3,600 sq miles this gives a density at 55.5 people per sq mi.

If you're a school in St Louis you can have players from anywhere in that area. You can recruit a player by offering them free tuition and the hopes of a state championship. I know two private schools where that happens, openly. I know parents that have kids that are great athletes and have been approached by these schools with free tuition. One of the schools wins at least one state championship and usually more every year in KS. They recruit.

If Webb or Lamar could go within that radius and offer free tuition and transportation with the hopes of a state championship they would be untouchable. They've kind of been that without recruiting. BTW, I threw in transportation because public school is mostly tuition free anyways.

So, when you see a St. Louis team that has a way higher number of level 1 players than a public school you begin to wonder. Then you hear of youth coaches that admit to telling his youth team to come play for him at a high school level it doesn't set well with teams that can't do that. One instance stands out. A class 3 school in KC that was dominate in basketball listed their team and where they lived. They had players from all over the entire KC metro area. No school can do this except private schools.

With this said, I don't want private and public split up because the private schools would literally have no restraints and would pull top players worse than they already do. Not sure what the answer is but MSHSAA needs to regulate it deeper than they do. With that said MSHSAA probably doesn't have the budget to investigate deeply into every situation.

Thoughts...???

Only thing you missed on is its financial aid not "free tuition" and that the STL Private schools (MCC especially) are very nice so not much "recruiting" needs to go on to get kids to wanna play there. But this is more or less accurate. In the JFL in St Louis its tons of recruiting going on. But here's the thing, this has been the case since I was playing JFL and in high school over 10 years ago. It really doesn't have a huge effect on the large picture so IDK why everyone here cries literally every day about it.

Trinity may get just 1 state ring out of this, lutheran north 0. Cardinal ritter probably 0 (all 3 schools are losing almost everyone after this year)

CBC, Vianney, DeSmet have always been good football schools but still not many state rings between them. Even in Basketball, Chaminade had Bradley Beal and Jayson Tatum for 8 years and got 2 rings of it, every time in the playoffs getting knocked out by a public school.

Private schools really don't win that often to justify all of this complaining.

 

[JNreturns]

Only thing you missed on is its financial aid not "free tuition" and that the STL Private schools (MCC especially) are very nice so not much "recruiting" needs to go on to get kids to wanna play there. But this is more or less accurate. In the JFL in St Louis its tons of recruiting going on. But here's the thing, this has been the case since I was playing JFL and in high school over 10 years ago. It really doesn't have a huge effect on the large picture so IDK why everyone here cries literally every day about it.

Trinity may get just 1 state ring out of this, lutheran north 0. Cardinal ritter probably 0 (all 3 schools are losing almost everyone after this year)

CBC, Vianney, DeSmet have always been good football schools but still not many state rings between them. Even in Basketball, Chaminade had Bradley Beal and Jayson Tatum for 8 years and got 2 rings of it, every time in the playoffs getting knocked out by a public school.

Private schools really don't win that often to justify all of this complaining.

Of course, I myself am not complaining. I just want some insights on when kids are picked up, etc... I known someone that was offered a full ride at Rockhurst for football. I could not remember if he was in 8th or 9th when they did it. He was elite, one of the top three in KC at his position. But he wanted to stay with his friends at his school (which was a 5A school at the time--now would be Class 6.) His team was like 3-7--so he sacrificed to be with friends, and get a lot more attention as a player. If you go to a team going to state--you get a lot more hype.

I know a couple of kids on club teams in other sports that are national class in their sports (and in 7th and 8th grades.) The local coaches know them to, and it drives them crazy because both of them are going to go to private schools for high school. They haven't been recruited. Their parents just have a lot of money.

 

[JNreturns]

I’m schocked I thought you were all knowing on all subjects.

I know what I know, and I also know what I don't know. Unlike quite a few here.

 

[J. Kane]

 

[cr7707]

What grade? When does most of the roster get added?

Staley added Benbow between his Junior and senior year last year, you should ask their coach how it worked.

Park hill can really enlighten you if you really want to know. especially on how to get the kids from KCK

The Lee's summit schools could help you also. kids from Grandview end up at LSW and LSN gets a whole new roster every year. Don't ask regular LS no-one wants to go there.

You take Rockhurst kid that's a junior bring him up to the local Pub. school & say he is thinking about transferring, you will see some serious recruiting, is that ok?

A neighbor's kid decided to go to a private school, the Pub. school coach found out, he literally called him 3 times a week to get him to reconsider. promised him starting JV freshman year. No doubt he felt he was being recruited by the Pub. school coach.

 

[cr7707]

also, the St. Louis Public schools are so bad you would be an irresponsible parent if you didn't try to go private.

STL has more of a failing public school problem than it does a sports recruiting problem.

 

[Webbzone]

Here's my take on how recruiting can be done in high school using two areas in Missouri.

According to Wikipedia the greater St. Louis metro area covers 8,261 sq. miles. That's about a 90 mi. by 90 mi. area. The MSA has the population at 2,811,588 for that area leaving a density of 340.3 people per sq mi.

If you take 2/3's of that and go 30 miles all around Lamar you would get, Pittsburg, KS, Webb, Carthage, part of Joplin, Nevada and a bunch of small towns plus the people in the country bringing a combined population of around 140,000. Let's up it to 200,000. At 3,600 sq miles this gives a density at 55.5 people per sq mi.

If you're a school in St Louis you can have players from anywhere in that area. You can recruit a player by offering them free tuition and the hopes of a state championship. I know two private schools where that happens, openly. I know parents that have kids that are great athletes and have been approached by these schools with free tuition. One of the schools wins at least one state championship and usually more every year in KS. They recruit.

If Webb or Lamar could go within that radius and offer free tuition and transportation with the hopes of a state championship they would be untouchable. They've kind of been that without recruiting. BTW, I threw in transportation because public school is mostly tuition free anyways.

So, when you see a St. Louis team that has a way higher number of level 1 players than a public school you begin to wonder. Then you hear of youth coaches that admit to telling his youth team to come play for him at a high school level it doesn't set well with teams that can't do that. One instance stands out. A class 3 school in KC that was dominate in basketball listed their team and where they lived. They had players from all over the entire KC metro area. No school can do this except private schools.

With this said, I don't want private and public split up because the private schools would literally have no restraints and would pull top players worse than they already do. Not sure what the answer is but MSHSAA needs to regulate it deeper than they do. With that said MSHSAA probably doesn't have the budget to investigate deeply into every situation.

Thoughts...???

School vouchers allowing public students to attend any school of their choice. (Public or Private) Remove the restrictions on the public school STUDENT. Life is now fair, even for the average player/student. Allows those students in poor school districts or unsafe schools to have choice to be safer even without having the ability to run a 4.4. or bench +300 or throw a football 60 yards. But wait a minute.....that could take away funding from mismanaged or poorly rated public schools which in turn might take away some of the powers of the teachers union. Ok, forget it...bad idea.

 

[JNreturns]

Staley added Benbow between his Junior and senior year last year, you should ask their coach how it worked.

Park hill can really enlighten you if you really want to know. especially on how to get the kids from KCK

The Lee's summit schools could help you also. kids from Grandview end up at LSW and LSN gets a whole new roster every year. Don't ask regular LS no-one wants to go there.

You take Rockhurst kid that's a junior bring him up to the local Pub. school & say he is thinking about transferring, you will see some serious recruiting, is that ok?

A neighbor's kid decided to go to a private school, the Pub. school coach found out, he literally called him 3 times a week to get him to reconsider. promised him starting JV freshman year. No doubt he felt he was being recruited by the Pub. school coach.

BAM!! HOME RUN...oh man.

 

[FistOH]

Staley added Benbow between his Junior and senior year last year, you should ask their coach how it worked.

Park hill can really enlighten you if you really want to know. especially on how to get the kids from KCK

The Lee's summit schools could help you also. kids from Grandview end up at LSW and LSN gets a whole new roster every year. Don't ask regular LS no-one wants to go there.

You take Rockhurst kid that's a junior bring him up to the local Pub. school & say he is thinking about transferring, you will see some serious recruiting, is that ok?

A neighbor's kid decided to go to a private school, the Pub. school coach found out, he literally called him 3 times a week to get him to reconsider. promised him starting JV freshman year. No doubt he felt he was being recruited by the Pub. school coach.

Ok Joey.

 

[Majost]

Would this be considered recruiting. Public school coach says to player within his district who is thinking about continuing his catholic school education at a catholic high school. "Hey, we could really use you here public high. We have a great nucleus coming back and we will have you playing your freshman year, you aren't going to get put on the back burner your freshman year behind those juniors and seniors. Come on stay home in the district."

 

[JNreturns]

Would this be considered recruiting. Public school coach says to player within his district who is thinking about continuing his catholic school education at a catholic high school. "Hey, we could really use you here public high. We have a great nucleus coming back and we will have you playing your freshman year, you aren't going to get put on the back burner your freshman year behind those juniors and seniors. Come on stay home in the district."

Ultimately, its a family decision. I don't have a problem with a public or a private recruiter doing it--honestly. I use the "BEST INTERESTS OF THE CHILD" rule of thumb. I am all for private schools doing what they can to provide a great education and sports experience for their students. I like Rock, CBC, Trinity, etc... What classification they are in--is debatable...but it is what it is.
I have witnessed some recruiting by public school coaches on private school kids. It is not insidious, its just hey, think about what can happen where you live, kind of thing.

If someone called me and said they wanted my older boy to play for Rock, and they'd pay for it--I'd be finding a way to transport him there.

 

[d031280]

Good point, except Trinity is not losing almost everyone. They're losing Williams, S. Cooper, Washington, Zo Andrews, and Ira Henry from the O line mainly. 4 of their offensive linemen will be back as will Mookie Cooper (their best overall receiver), Frenchie, as well as 2/3 of their 3 headed monster rushing attack. Their entire starting defensive line will be back as well. Get that qb position filled and they will continue to roll. Not this year good, but they will be formidable still.

 

[d031280]

also, the St. Louis Public schools are so bad you would be an irresponsible parent if you didn't try to go private.

STL has more of a failing public school problem than it does a sports recruiting problem.

You are speaking the absolute truth right here, the Stl public school system is trash.

 

[Majost]

Ultimately, its a family decision. I don't have a problem with a public or a private recruiter doing it--honestly. I use the "BEST INTERESTS OF THE CHILD" rule of thumb. I am all for private schools doing what they can to provide a great education and sports experience for their students. I like Rock, CBC, Trinity, etc... What classification they are in--is debatable...but it is what it is.
I have witnessed some recruiting by public school coaches on private school kids. It is not insidious, its just hey, think about what can happen where you live, kind of thing.

If someone called me and said they wanted my older boy to play for Rock, and they'd pay for it--I'd be finding a way to transport him there.

I love it when people bring up the transportation thing, and how in the hell do these kids find a way to these private schools. Do you know that about only 50 percent of the public high school students use the school bus? The private school kids get to school the same way the other 50% of the public school kids get to.

 

[FBisLife12]

I love it when people bring up the transportation thing, and how in the hell do these kids find a way to these private schools. Do you know that about only 50 percent of the public high school students use the school bus? The private school kids get to school the same way the other 50% of the public school kids get to.

People bring up transportation because it feeds into the fantasy they have of black kids at private schools only being there because of athletics, and that they MUST be from bombed out neighborhoods with bad schools, MUST not be paying tuition and MUST be getting driven everywhere because some rich Alum is footing the bill.

 

[JNreturns]

I love it when people bring up the transportation thing, and how in the hell do these kids find a way to these private schools. Do you know that about only 50 percent of the public high school students use the school bus? The private school kids get to school the same way the other 50% of the public school kids get to.

Well, it would be 40 minutes each way for me to go to Rock. Or 10 minutes to go to public.

 

[r14veer]

School vouchers allowing public students to attend any school of their choice. (Public or Private) Remove the restrictions on the public school STUDENT. Life is now fair, even for the average player/student. Allows those students in poor school districts or unsafe schools to have choice to be safer even without having the ability to run a 4.4. or bench +300 or throw a football 60 yards. But wait a minute.....that could take away funding from mismanaged or poorly rated public schools which in turn might take away some of the powers of the teachers union. Ok, forget it...bad idea.

This might be controversial, so be warned. What if we equally fund all public schools (including those in low tax-base areas)? Missouri is one of the worst in terms of funding gaps between the poorest schools (most of which are rural) and the more affluent schools (but don't take my word for it).

 

[JNreturns]

School vouchers allowing public students to attend any school of their choice. (Public or Private) Remove the restrictions on the public school STUDENT. Life is now fair, even for the average player/student. Allows those students in poor school districts or unsafe schools to have choice to be safer even without having the ability to run a 4.4. or bench +300 or throw a football 60 yards. But wait a minute.....that could take away funding from mismanaged or poorly rated public schools which in turn might take away some of the powers of the teachers union. Ok, forget it...bad idea.

Allow kids to go anywhere..make a new private school smack dab between Lamar and Webb, and call it Webbamar. Webbamar plays Class 2 and wins every game by turbo.

 

[CaptainBackslap]

Would this be considered recruiting. Public school coach says to player within his district who is thinking about continuing his catholic school education at a catholic high school. "Hey, we could really use you here public high. We have a great nucleus coming back and we will have you playing your freshman year, you aren't going to get put on the back burner your freshman year behind those juniors and seniors. Come on stay home in the district."

You can say anything you want to a kid in your district. You’re not enticing them to change districts for athletic reasons.

 

[cr7707]

Ok Joey.

Coach Clemens is back. Hi Coach. how is the off season going? Not so good? That's because you went to OAK PARK! What were you thinking?

 

[FistOH]

Coach Clemens is back. Hi Coach. how is the off season going? Not so good? That's because you went to OAK PARK! What were you thinking?

Thanks for making my point Joe.

 

[cr7707]

This might be controversial, so be warned. What if we equally fund all public schools (including those in low tax-base areas)? Missouri is one of the worst in terms of funding gaps between the poorest schools (most of which are rural) and the more affluent schools (but don't take my word for it).

Lottery and gambling money is supposed to be going to education, I would love to see the auditor's report of that.

There is plenty of money to get the job done. I'm sure it's all going to the stumble bums and desk jockeys in school admin. or the dept of Ed in Jeff City. the money is not going to where it's needed.

 

[BPcompete]

Good point, except Trinity is not losing almost everyone. They're losing Williams, S. Cooper, Washington, Zo Andrews, and Ira Henry from the O line mainly. 4 of their offensive linemen will be back as will Mookie Cooper (their best overall receiver), Frenchie, as well as 2/3 of their 3 headed monster rushing attack. Their entire starting defensive line will be back as well. Get that qb position filled and they will continue to roll. Not this year good, but they will be formidable still.

I get that they wont literally lose everyone but thats 19 stars leaving to go play college lol. Off topic but watching Trinity play Mookie is the best guy on the team. He’s crazy electric. LN is gonna return a lot of guys to but its kind of the same, losing a huge chunk of talent.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I have a 4 year old he is 52 inches and weight 69 lbs, and he can throw a Nerf football at least 20 yards. When will the offers start coming in?

 

[Webbzone]

Allow kids to go anywhere..make a new private school smack dab between Lamar and Webb, and call it Webbamar. Webbamar plays Class 2 and wins every game by turbo.

I think it would be too easily confused with home-schooling cause its sounds too much like Webinar

 

[TJ_DUB]

You can say anything you want to a kid in your district. You’re not enticing them to change districts for athletic reasons.

Recruiting.

 

[JNreturns]

I think it would be too easily confused with home-schooling cause its sounds too much like Webinar

The Webbamar Texters.

I think it would be too easily confused with home-schooling cause its sounds too much like Webinar

Webamar - Just two miles West of Jasper on H highway. (Almost halfway between Webb and Lamar. We offer online courses. 6-8 hours a day devoted to sports theory and physical training. Just think of it:

2021 Class 2 Champs 15-0 (11 turbo clock wins)
2022 Class 2 Champs 15-0 (13 turbo clock wins)
2023 Class 2 Champs 15-0 (15 turbo clock wins, including wins over CBC and Class 7A Fayetteville.)
2024 Class 2 Champs and #5 in the NATION

 

[d031280]

I get that they wont literally lose everyone but thats 19 stars leaving to go play college lol. Off topic but watching Trinity play Mookie is the best guy on the team. He’s crazy electric. LN is gonna return a lot of guys to but its kind of the same, losing a huge chunk of talent.

Oh no, I knew you weren't being literal, was just putting it out there that they have a whole lot coming back is all. I know this is a touchy subject to folks here, but I'm pretty sure there will be a few key transfers next semester as well. I have no knowledge of it, but just a guess. These kids and their parents pay attention to who's graduating and the openings becaise of it. And yeah, Mookie is the the most talented offensive player not named I. Williams for Trinity.

 

[shoot90draw]

I dont have much experience with private schools and recruiting, but do private schools have booster clubs? I could see a private school using booster club funds to help pay tuition and what not, under the table, to help draw in potential students. Just a thought.

 

[l_Pete_l]

Would this be considered recruiting. Public school coach says to player within his district who is thinking about continuing his catholic school education at a catholic high school. "Hey, we could really use you here public high. We have a great nucleus coming back and we will have you playing your freshman year, you aren't going to get put on the back burner your freshman year behind those juniors and seniors. Come on stay home in the district."

Good point.

 

[Majost]

You can say anything you want to a kid in your district. You’re not enticing them to change districts for athletic reasons.

You didn't answer my question. Would it be considered "recruiting"?