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All children from the age of four will be taught about safe and healthy relationships, Education Secretary Justine Greening said.

Children will also be taught, at an appropriate age, about sex. But parents will still have the right to withdraw their children from these classes.

Until now, sex education has been compulsory only in council-run schools.

Since academies and free schools are not under local authority control, they do not have to follow the national curriculum and have not been obliged to teach sex and relationships education (SRE).

Current guidance 'outdated'
In practice, the vast majority do teach the subject - the government's announcement will mean all schools across the system will be bound by the same obligation.

Age-appropriate lessons will have particular emphasis on what constitutes healthy relationships, as well as the dangers of sexting, online pornography and sexual harassment.

In primary schools, the focus would be on building healthy relationships and staying safe, the Department for Education (DfE) said, while in secondary school it would focus on sex as well as relationships.

The government will hold discussions on what should be taught to children, and at what age, and there will be a public consultation later this year.

In an interview with the BBC, Ms Greening said: "At the moment, many schools teach sex and relationships education.

"But it's not mandatory, and, therefore, for many children, they are not coming out of our schools really being equipped to deal with the modern world or indeed be safe and protected from some of the very modern challenges that young people face on cyberbullying and sexting.

"What we're introducing today is mandatory relationships and sex education in all secondary schools, but also mandatory relationships education in primary schools as well.

"And, of course, all of this, it's important, is age-appropriate and, of course, it's also important to retain, for sex education, a parent's right to withdraw their child."

Ms Greening said schools would have flexibility over how they delivered the subjects and faith schools would continue to be able to teach in accordance with the tenets of their faith.

The current guidance for SRE, introduced in 2000, was outdated, she added.

'Sexual health time bomb'
The news was welcomed by the Local Government Association, which has been campaigning for compulsory sex education in all schools.

Izzi Seccombe, chairman of the association's community wellbeing board, said: "The lack of compulsory SRE in secondary academies and free schools is storing up problems for later on in life, creating a ticking sexual health time bomb, as we are seeing in those who have recently left school.

"We believe that making SRE compulsory in all secondary schools, not just council-maintained ones, could make a real difference in reversing this trend, by preparing pupils for adulthood and enabling them to better take care of themselves and future partners."

The organisation Christian Concern said it was not for the state to prescribe what was taught in this area.

Chief executive Andrea Williams told the BBC: "Children need to be protected, and certainly when they're [still at primary school], we need to be guarding their innocence.

"We need to be protecting them from things, working with parents to ensure that what they might need to know - which will be different for every child child, different in every context across the country - is properly looked at.

"But this is something that should be individualised, not something that the state can deliver wholesale."

Safe at School Campaign, run by the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children, described the announcement as a "tragedy".

National co-ordinator Antonia Tully said: "Parents will be absolutely powerless to protect their children from presentations of sexual activity, which we know is part of many sex education teaching resources for primary school children.

"The state simply cannot safeguard children in the same way that parents can. This proposal is sending a huge message to parents that they are unfit to teach their own children about sex."

School leaders, however, welcomed the news.

Malcolm Trobe, interim general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders, said: "We do not believe it is necessary for the government to provide standardised frameworks or programmes of study, and we would urge ministers against being too prescriptive," he said.

Jonathan Baggaley, chief executive of the PHSE Association said: "This is a historic step and a clear statement of intent from government.

"Following years of campaigning we are delighted that Justine Greening has taken this vital step to respond to the clear call from parents, teachers and young people that education must prepare all children, in all schools, for the opportunities and challenges of modern life."

Ms Greening's announcement follows a widespread campaign by charities, MPs and local authorities, calling for (SRE) to be made a statutory for all schools.

At the end of last year, the chairmen and women of five different Commons select committees called on Ms Greening to make SRE a statutory subject.

Elsewhere in the UK
SRE is part of the curriculum in Wales, but it is not currently compulsory.

The Welsh government says it expects young people to receive age-appropriate lessons in school, covering "all aspects of relationships, sexual health and wellbeing issues".

The subject is not compulsory in Scotland but new guidance was introduced in 2014. Schools and local authorities are responsible for deciding how to put the guidelines into practice.

In Northern Ireland, the Department of Education requires each school to have its own written policy on how it will address the delivery of relationship and sexuality education (RSE).

RSE must be delivered "in a sensitive manner which is appropriate to the age and understanding of pupils and the ethos of the school
 
All children from the age of four will be taught about safe and healthy relationships, Education Secretary Justine Greening said.

Children will also be taught, at an appropriate age, about sex. But parents will still have the right to withdraw their children from these classes.

Until now, sex education has been compulsory only in council-run schools.

Since academies and free schools are not under local authority control, they do not have to follow the national curriculum and have not been obliged to teach sex and relationships education (SRE).

Current guidance 'outdated'
In practice, the vast majority do teach the subject - the government's announcement will mean all schools across the system will be bound by the same obligation.

Age-appropriate lessons will have particular emphasis on what constitutes healthy relationships, as well as the dangers of sexting, online pornography and sexual harassment.

In primary schools, the focus would be on building healthy relationships and staying safe, the Department for Education (DfE) said, while in secondary school it would focus on sex as well as relationships.

The government will hold discussions on what should be taught to children, and at what age, and there will be a public consultation later this year.

In an interview with the BBC, Ms Greening said: "At the moment, many schools teach sex and relationships education.

"But it's not mandatory, and, therefore, for many children, they are not coming out of our schools really being equipped to deal with the modern world or indeed be safe and protected from some of the very modern challenges that young people face on cyberbullying and sexting.

"What we're introducing today is mandatory relationships and sex education in all secondary schools, but also mandatory relationships education in primary schools as well.

"And, of course, all of this, it's important, is age-appropriate and, of course, it's also important to retain, for sex education, a parent's right to withdraw their child."

Ms Greening said schools would have flexibility over how they delivered the subjects and faith schools would continue to be able to teach in accordance with the tenets of their faith.

The current guidance for SRE, introduced in 2000, was outdated, she added.

'Sexual health time bomb'
The news was welcomed by the Local Government Association, which has been campaigning for compulsory sex education in all schools.

Izzi Seccombe, chairman of the association's community wellbeing board, said: "The lack of compulsory SRE in secondary academies and free schools is storing up problems for later on in life, creating a ticking sexual health time bomb, as we are seeing in those who have recently left school.

"We believe that making SRE compulsory in all secondary schools, not just council-maintained ones, could make a real difference in reversing this trend, by preparing pupils for adulthood and enabling them to better take care of themselves and future partners."

The organisation Christian Concern said it was not for the state to prescribe what was taught in this area.

Chief executive Andrea Williams told the BBC: "Children need to be protected, and certainly when they're [still at primary school], we need to be guarding their innocence.

"We need to be protecting them from things, working with parents to ensure that what they might need to know - which will be different for every child child, different in every context across the country - is properly looked at.

"But this is something that should be individualised, not something that the state can deliver wholesale."

Safe at School Campaign, run by the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children, described the announcement as a "tragedy".

National co-ordinator Antonia Tully said: "Parents will be absolutely powerless to protect their children from presentations of sexual activity, which we know is part of many sex education teaching resources for primary school children.

"The state simply cannot safeguard children in the same way that parents can. This proposal is sending a huge message to parents that they are unfit to teach their own children about sex."

School leaders, however, welcomed the news.

Malcolm Trobe, interim general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders, said: "We do not believe it is necessary for the government to provide standardised frameworks or programmes of study, and we would urge ministers against being too prescriptive," he said.

Jonathan Baggaley, chief executive of the PHSE Association said: "This is a historic step and a clear statement of intent from government.

"Following years of campaigning we are delighted that Justine Greening has taken this vital step to respond to the clear call from parents, teachers and young people that education must prepare all children, in all schools, for the opportunities and challenges of modern life."

Ms Greening's announcement follows a widespread campaign by charities, MPs and local authorities, calling for (SRE) to be made a statutory for all schools.

At the end of last year, the chairmen and women of five different Commons select committees called on Ms Greening to make SRE a statutory subject.

Elsewhere in the UK
SRE is part of the curriculum in Wales, but it is not currently compulsory.

The Welsh government says it expects young people to receive age-appropriate lessons in school, covering "all aspects of relationships, sexual health and wellbeing issues".

The subject is not compulsory in Scotland but new guidance was introduced in 2014. Schools and local authorities are responsible for deciding how to put the guidelines into practice.

In Northern Ireland, the Department of Education requires each school to have its own written policy on how it will address the delivery of relationship and sexuality education (RSE).

RSE must be delivered "in a sensitive manner which is appropriate to the age and understanding of pupils and the ethos of the school
It depends on the content of the curriculum.
 
I'm not shocked at all a liberal would like that idea.

It's not a bad idea.

At some point 99.9% of people will have sex, the St. Louis area has one of the highest rates of most STDs, if done correctly there is no real downside to comprehensive sex education.

If it promotes safe sex, reduces teen pregnancy rates, and leads to more fulfilling relationships, why do you care that schools teach sex ed?

I understand you're repressed, but that doesn't mean everyone else is or should be.
 
It's not a bad idea.

At some point 99.9% of people will have sex, the St. Louis area has one of the highest rates of most STDs, if done correctly there is no real downside to comprehensive sex education.

If it promotes safe sex, reduces teen pregnancy rates, and leads to more fulfilling relationships, why do you care that schools teach sex ed?

I understand you're repressed, but that doesn't mean everyone else is or should be.
The core issue is the porn industry. The core issue is that we treat single motherhood as if they're widowed. It's not who you are it's what you do. STD's do not care. It's too late for a return to victorian England morality. Read on, I'm not shooting this down.

Those kids seem pretty savvy. Savvy enough to have sex. Health and Home Econ classes teach this? I wouldn't concentrate anymore on STD prevention, then what should already be taught in a standard health class. I'm not shooting this down if...

However, if the STD infection rate is as high as you claim, I can't argue against the need for a concentrated prevention program. If the STD rate is due to a lack of education? What planet do these idiots come from? I have no idea.

I hate to say this, promiscuity is a choice and protection is a choice. I hate to hear about a young person contracting an STD, but hey, stop being stupid. Teaching about protection at the youngest age possible is the best idea in the article.

Shouldn't all of this be about abstinence? Or if you can't control your urges here's a plan, condoms, birth control pills etc...
 
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It's not a bad idea.

At some point 99.9% of people will have sex, the St. Louis area has one of the highest rates of most STDs, if done correctly there is no real downside to comprehensive sex education.

If it promotes safe sex, reduces teen pregnancy rates, and leads to more fulfilling relationships, why do you care that schools teach sex ed?

I understand you're repressed, but that doesn't mean everyone else is or should be.

Because I will teach my child what they need to know about sex and I'll do it when it is appropriate to do so. It simply isn't their business.

Stick to the core subjects in school. There is plenty there to keep them busy.
 
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Because I will teach my child what they need to know about sex and I'll do it when it is appropriate to do so. It simply isn't their business.

Stick to the core subjects in school. There is plenty there to keep them busy.
I can relate to that. Hence the real responsibility is on the parent. But, those without, ignorant of nurturing parents need at 1/2 semester of all health. Agreed, it's a band aide on a larger problem.
 
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Because I will teach my child what they need to know about sex and I'll do it when it is appropriate to do so. It simply isn't their business.

Stick to the core subjects in school. There is plenty there to keep them busy.

Right...because you know everything about it...guarantee you aren't up to date on HPV, immunizations, prevention of diseases and pregnancy, all forms of barrier methods, etc.

Just saying "abstinence works" (which it absolutely does) isn't an answer and how do you determine WHEN it's appropriate? If you're waiting until they're 13 or 14 and in a lot of cases you're already too late of a few forms of sexual contact.

There is also the option of opting out of sex ed classes, but that should really be at the discretion of the kid, not necessarily the repressed parent. Kids aren't as fragile as you think, and no 10-12 year old has ever experienced the rapture or were rendered catatonic by God over proper condom use.

Lots of them get pregnant or diseases because they aren't taught condom use though.
 
Right...because you know everything about it...guarantee you aren't up to date on HPV, immunizations, prevention of diseases and pregnancy, all forms of barrier methods, etc.

Just saying "abstinence works" (which it absolutely does) isn't an answer and how do you determine WHEN it's appropriate? If you're waiting until they're 13 or 14 and in a lot of cases you're already too late of a few forms of sexual contact.

There is also the option of opting out of sex ed classes, but that should really be at the discretion of the kid, not necessarily the repressed parent. Kids aren't as fragile as you think, and no 10-12 year old has ever experienced the rapture or were rendered catatonic by God over proper condom use.

Lots of them get pregnant or diseases because they aren't taught condom use though.

Has nothing to do with if I know everything about it or not. It simply isn't any of their business.

You think it's OK to send your kids to the class, knock yourself out. You're the parent and it should be your choice.
 
Has nothing to do with if I know everything about it or not. It simply isn't any of their business.

You think it's OK to send your kids to the class, knock yourself out. You're the parent and it should be your choice.

But it does matter. Idk how you'd feel if your daughter came home pregnant or with herpes because YOU chose not to adequately teach her (because again, you can teach some, but I doubt you'd be giving a comprehensive sex ed course in your "sex talk"), but I'd feel terrible.

But you do you. Maybe the STD your kids get will render them sterile and end the stupidity of your genetic line.
 
I don't need people like you to teach my children anything about sex. What they need to learn they will learn at home.
 
But it does matter. Idk how you'd feel if your daughter came home pregnant or with herpes because YOU chose not to adequately teach her (because again, you can teach some, but I doubt you'd be giving a comprehensive sex ed course in your "sex talk"), but I'd feel terrible.

If my daughter "came home with" anything you listed, it is not because she wasn't "educated properly. It is because she made poor choices.
 
If my daughter "came home with" anything you listed, it is not because she wasn't "educated properly. It is because she made poor choices.

Is it possible she didn't make bad choices, she simply wasn't given all the information?

You're simply wrong if you say there is no value to comprehensive sex education.
 
Is it possible she didn't make bad choices, she simply wasn't given all the information?

You're simply wrong if you say there is no value to comprehensive sex education.

You are entitled to your opinion. It is a free country to make yourself wrong. People make choices and protecting them from the consequences of bad choices teaches more bad choices.
 
You are entitled to your opinion. It is a free country to make yourself wrong. People make choices and protecting them from the consequences of bad choices teaches more bad choices.

Yes and they should make INFORMED choices. It's not "protecting them from the consequences of bad choices" it's informing them that the consequences exist.
 
Look at any study, "abstinence only" education doesn't work.

It leads to increased cases of STDs and unplanned pregnancy. That IS reality.
Never said it wasn't reality but the education works if implemented. People who make bad decisions must suffer the consequences of their actions to learn from them. Abstinence education teaches the consequences of poor choices. ANY training only works if followed including "traditional" sex education. WCS is right, it isn't a school subject.
 
Never said it wasn't reality but the education works if implemented. People who make bad decisions must suffer the consequences of their actions to learn from them. Abstinence education teaches the consequences of poor choices. ANY training only works if followed including "traditional" sex education. WCS is right, it isn't a school subject.

There isn't any way to say this without sounding rude, but the reason I would not allow my child to be taught in that class is that people with your values and outlook on life would most likely be teaching it. You are certainly entitled to believe as you like, but I don't share those views. I would be more than happy to share those reasons, but I doubt they would mean a thing to you.
 
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I'm less interested in people "learning lessons" and more interested in lowering the number of unwanted pregnancies. Teaching kids abstinence is much less effective than teaching kids about birth control if your goal is to reduce unwanted pregnancies.
 
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I'm less interested in people "learning lessons" and more interested in lowering the number of unwanted pregnancies. Teaching kids abstinence is much less effective than teaching kids about birth control if your goal is to reduce unwanted pregnancies.

That is exactly the world view I was speaking of.
 
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That is exactly the world view I was speaking of.

You don't like abortion right?

If you want to stop abortions, statistically comprehensive sex education is the best way to do that.

Of course in a COMPREHENSIVE class it would involve the discussion of abstinence, but abstinence only education (again statistically) leads to more unwanted pregnancies.

So which do you want, sex ed or more unnecessary abortions, because (if you're being realistic) you can have one or the other.
 
I don't like teenage drinking either but teaching responsible drinking doesn't prevent it.
Teens aren't benefited by preventing consequences to their actions. Teaching responsibility for your actions will benefit long term. Abortion is just another lack of responsibility.
 
I don't like teenage drinking either but teaching responsible drinking doesn't prevent it.
Teens aren't benefited by preventing consequences to their actions. Teaching responsibility for your actions will benefit long term. Abortion is just another lack of responsibility.
If a teenager drinks and gets killed in a car accident because his/her parents never said they should call someone if they do drink, is that what you mean by "taking responsibility?" Does that "benefit" the kid? Is the greater good really served by a parent not giving their kid the option to call them if they drink?

You'll never prevent underage sex or drinking. So absent that, if you want less kids dead from drunk driving and less unwanted pregnancy, the only smart option is to give them choices.
 
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If a teenager drinks and gets killed in a car accident because his/her parents never said they should call someone if they do drink, is that what you mean by "taking responsibility?" Does that "benefit" the kid? Is the greater good really served by a parent not giving their kid the option to call them if they drink?

You'll never prevent underage sex or drinking. So absent that, if you want less kids dead from drunk driving and less unwanted pregnancy, the only smart option is to give them choices.

ALL the choices.
 
If a teenager drinks and gets killed in a car accident because his/her parents never said they should call someone if they do drink, is that what you mean by "taking responsibility?" Does that "benefit" the kid? Is the greater good really served by a parent not giving their kid the option to call them if they drink?

You'll never prevent underage sex or drinking. So absent that, if you want less kids dead from drunk driving and less unwanted pregnancy, the only smart option is to give them choices.

If you are giving them the blessing might as well provide the bedroom with a drawer full of condoms and a bottle of bubbly so they can do things right.
You aren't going to stop murder and theft either but we don't tell them "if you are gonna rob someone, rob someone who can afford it"! We don't tell them to "murder old folks if you must. They've lived long lives already"!
You tell them not to.....period. When they make bad decisions, you help them through it, not around it.
 
If you are giving them the blessing might as well provide the bedroom with a drawer full of condoms and a bottle of bubbly so they can do things right.
You aren't going to stop murder and theft either but we don't tell them "if you are gonna rob someone, rob someone who can afford it"! We don't tell them to "murder old folks if you must. They've lived long lives already"!
You tell them not to.....period. When they make bad decisions, you help them through it, not around it.

Keep moving the goalpost...

End of the day, giving them all the information and them letting them make an informed decision IS the responsible thing to do.
 
If you are giving them the blessing might as well provide the bedroom with a drawer full of condoms and a bottle of bubbly so they can do things right.
You aren't going to stop murder and theft either but we don't tell them "if you are gonna rob someone, rob someone who can afford it"! We don't tell them to "murder old folks if you must. They've lived long lives already"!
You tell them not to.....period. When they make bad decisions, you help them through it, not around it.
Who said anything about giving them your blessing?

How do you help a kid that got killed driving drunk because he didn't call his parents?
 
Who said anything about giving them your blessing?

How do you help a kid that got killed driving drunk because he didn't call his parents?

Do you tell them which is the safer drug to use IF you use drugs? No, you say to not use them. When you say "if you choose poorly here is the best way to do it", you are giving an endorsement of that option.

A kid that can't trust his parents after making a bad choice isn't going to get help by calling them.
 
A kid that can't trust his parents after making a bad choice isn't going to get help by calling them.
He might if he knew it was an option.

Do you tell them which is the safer drug to use IF you use drugs? No, you say to not use them. When you say "if you choose poorly here is the best way to do it", you are giving an endorsement of that option.
Why are you comparing drugs to drinking and sex? And if you can't understand the simple nuance of telling your kid that you don't approve of underage sex and giving him options, then yeah, you better stick to the simple stuff.
 
He might if he knew it was an option.


Why are you comparing drugs to drinking and sex? And if you can't understand the simple nuance of telling your kid that you don't approve of underage sex and giving him options, then yeah, you better stick to the simple stuff.

All of the above ruin teens lives everyday. Why would you differentiate?
 
Nobody likes Cowherds wisdom, but he's wrong on every post, so appreciate the consistency.
 
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Because teenage pregnancy doesn't ruin lives like drug abuse, and it's easily prevented even if one engages in it.
If pregnancy can EASILY be prevented, why the need for abortions? ALL pregnancy prevention methods have failure rates (except abstinence of course). If it doesn't ruin their lives, why the need to teach sex education to prevent it? I know numerous people who have quit drugs and have normal happy lives. How do you differentiate?
 
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