Leah is at 3694. 31 away from a new record heading into tomorrow night's C2D3 title game against St. Vincent of Perryville.
Hey 3R,
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I knew she had to be getting close. She should get it in that game of they choose to do it then.I saw them at Van Buren tonight. Could be the worst game I've seen Neelyville play. Thayer had something to do with that but Neelyville only scored 8 points in the whole 2nd half and got out rebounded badly. Thayer -Oran should be interesting.
That could be, they sure do guard well. Missing their leader most of the 4th quarter didn't help but that shouldn't cause them to score only 8 points in the whole 2nd half. I haven't seen the stats but just watching from the seats it seemed like they were out rebounded 2-1. I saw the Oran coaches and some of their team there. Maybe they found something to help them figure out a way to put up enough points to keep the pressure on Thayer's offense and not let their defense dictate the action.
I honestly don't know. All the starters came out about midway through the third. I can send you his email if you want it?
Larry, do you honestly not think he leaves her in there longer than needed some nights? If he took all starters out Friday night in the middle of the 3rd quarter as you say, in my opinion, he is improving.
One night I witnessed Oran up by exactly 30 at the end of the 3rd quarter. The opposing coach cleared their bench to start the 4th. Oran had all five starters still in and pressing for three minutes. At the 5:00 mark Oran began taking out a starter, one-by-one, every minute. The last one to leave was their leading scorer ... with 1:00 left. She only scored 26 that night. Seems to me she was left in there to try to get more points. I thought that was totally unnecessary. What about you?
I have real mixed emotions on this topic. I see the sportsmanship of taking out when outcomes are decided.
But on the other hand I feel for kids that have a chance to set school records. I’ve been there when we played tough schedule and my kid was an all star player. But when we played weak teams she didn’t play at all. Didn’t think anything about it at the time.
So I can see both sides. I would probably pull kids out but really would be tempted to let them go for the record books.
I can understand what you’re saying, but 30 point lead, pressing, etc.
She has often outscored opposition all by herself and often has reached that point by halftime. Just not necessary, in my opinion, night-after-night. Just my 2 cents.
TJ-It doesn't really matter what I think about coaching decisions.
I am curious about the game you mentioned. I have tried to find one this season that she finished with 26 and have not been successful. But, from what I've heard through other message boards, she is guaranteed a certain number of minutes per game by the contract that she signed in order to stay at Oran as opposed to transferring to other area powerhouses.
have an idea-I'm sure you are correct.
I am curious about the game you mentioned. I have tried to find one this season that she finished with 26 and have not been successful. But, from what I've heard through other message boards, she is guaranteed a certain number of minutes per game by the contract that she signed in order to stay at Oran as opposed to transferring to other area powerhouses.
have an idea-I'm sure you are correct.
Hahaha, if that is true that is hilarious. Talk about a player straight up running a program. Oran is a public high school. If she and her parents actually got the school/coach/AD or whoever to sign a contract for playing time that's an embarrassment to that school and community. I also can't imagine that is allowable under MSHSAA rules.
Sorry, there is no "sarcasm font". Actually, didn't think it would be necessary, but I guess I was soooooo wrong!
Larry, first thing - I respect your opinions and posts. Not only here, but on semoball too. I am not trying to start anything with you.
Second - this game was a couple seasons ago, not this one.
Third - lol @ her contract and stipulations. Funny stuff.
I don't discount anything as being possible at this point. I have seen and heard of lots of very questionable things over my years of following high school sports.
For instance, Park Hills Central had been Class 3 for years and years prior to this year, but this year public school funding began being tied to mshsaa enrollment, and all the sudden Park Hills jumps to Class 4 and they aren't even close to the cut off line. Their enrollment is listed at 458 and the smallest Class 4 is Boonville at 409. Park Hills is above 20 other Class 4's in enrollment. So we're expected to believe that the year funding gets tied to enrollment figures that Park Hills enrollment just happens to skyrocket well into the Class 4 ranks.......orrrr they were fudging numbers all the previous year.
So again, I don't discount anything as possible.
For instance, Park Hills Central had been Class 3 for years and years prior to this year, but this year public school funding began being tied to mshsaa enrollment, and all the sudden Park Hills jumps to Class 4 and they aren't even close to the cut off line. Their enrollment is listed at 458 and the smallest Class 4 is Boonville at 409. Park Hills is above 20 other Class 4's in enrollment. So we're expected to believe that the year funding gets tied to enrollment figures that Park Hills enrollment just happens to skyrocket well into the Class 4 ranks.......orrrr they were fudging numbers all the previous year.
So again, I don't discount anything as possible.
Some people on these message boards are clueless. Contract signing by Oran player for guaranteed playing time is all-time OMG. Just as silly as mohsbballfan that questions Park Hills "fudging" of numbers. Park Hills was most recently Class 4 in the 2013-2014 school year (yeah, "years and years have been Class 3". LOL). They have been at very top of Class 3 the last two cycles. Their enrollment has went up quite a bit in the last few years and will continue to climb. All Easily verifiable by looking at MSHSAA website. Some people will say and believe anything.
So does Oran play THAT weak a schedule??.... after getting drilled that bad. Seems easy to score a lot if you are playing teams that weak.
Probably not factor in today's game, Thayer's schedules ain't much better. They did the same thing to Neelyville and they play a brutal schedule. That score was 29-21 at halftime and Thayer would have won without scoring another point because Neelyville only scored 8 in the whole second half. Worley got in foul trouble but that wasn't the only reason she didn't score 25 or 30 points. When Stone left the game today with about 2 minutes left she had personally outscored Oran 29 to 26 and had a boatload of assists too. They also rebound extremely well as a team.
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???? Looked it up myself. Yep, weak. Spend more time developing your program instead of facilitating someones stats and you wont get DRILLED when it counts. Had 10 points before Thayers JV came in. Probably wasnt a good idea challenging Thayers best player either. Nice job,Thayer.
That is not true but I'm sure you knew that when you posted it. They had only 19 points at halftime but it was NOT against Thayer's JV. Thayer's best player did not leave the game until about the 2 minute mark. If a tougher schedule was the answer to beating Thayer then Neelyville would have run away from them in their district game. If you don't challenge a team's best player who do you challenge?
I had no dog in the fight but you should give credit to a very good Thayer team.I don't know about the Park Hills comments. Jumping 20 schools and adding at least 50 kids in a single year of enrollment just seems rather odd. Especially with everything surrounding the school the last few years. High School enrollments traditionally go down not up due to drop outs, families moving, etc. They've been class 3 for the past 4 years. That's long enough to support ideas of number fixing.
Or it could be the fact that MSHSAA changed the way they counted enrollment figures and Park Hills had to count students that previously(and legally according to MSHSAA) they didn't have to count, such as students that are off campus at an alternative high school and the students that are at the girl's home located in our community.
My statement IS true and I was referring to the high scoring player’s points.. not the team and was also referring to the gesturing toward the Thayer player during the game to “bring it”. That was a mistake and she made that clear by scoring at will after that.
There was little doubt that the girl from Thayer was the best player on the floor. Thayer is darn good, no matter what people say. I find it laughable when 3R talks about how much stronger Neelyville's schedule is. Look on Maxpreps it has Thayer playing the second hardest schedule of the top teams, only Skyline played a tougher schedule. The OFC was really weak this year, Naylor is young and will be back, but this year that conference was good for 10 easy wins.
Thayers coach has taken steps to challenge his team. Skyline has always played a tough schedule. Thats why they succeed. Many coaches, ADs, schools are afraid to fail or know they have mediocre coaches so they just keep the same weak schedule year after year. Maybe they have what they think is a “star player” and want some attention for that player. See it every year..... reality hits in the post season.
It is dumb to be afraid to lose regular season games because they mean almost nothing.
Rebelman I’m not trying to start anything with you. But I thought the news in that area was that an administrator had admitted to reporting numbers wrong purposely.
Have an idea- Ill state the obvious. If you have a kid scoring... what.. 27/game for her career???.... you are beating teams by 50,60,70 points and you cant find the oppurtunity in that point differential to develop your other players? I had never seen the kid play but it was obvious that Thayer had her and the rest of the team locked down. Im a purist- I just hate to see teams play a schedule that allows them to kill other teams and tout one player but when its time to get serious, they get smashed. Its pathetic leadership, pathetic basketball. So, no I was not impressed. They didnt even look like they prepared for Thayer.
I don't know what Thayer's schedule looked like over the season but I do know that Neelyille plays against class 3,4 and 5 teams regularly and usually beats a few of them. Neelyville lost Fowler who is now in college at 3Rivers and made 2nd team all region on a team that just won the Region 16 tournament and hasn't lost a game since the end of November. They also lost Dodd, the class 2 player of the year last season to a knee injury, that would take it's toll on any team. But they have consistently played up in their scheduling for several years. This season they played Jonesboro, Ar., Jackson, Cape Central, Dexter twice, Poplar Bluff, Cape ND and played in the Paragould Tournament with some very good teams in it. I can't imagine Thayer's schedule was any tougher than that.
Thayer beat Melbourne who is playing for the ship in AR, class 3 final four team Licking, class 4 state ranked Rogersville, class 5 Parkview, Jonesboro, lost to Kickapoo by 1. Went 3-1 in the Pink and White tourny. They prepared the best they could considering their location and size. All I know is I will be watching them at JQH!!
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I didn't say they aren't a really good team. I said if having a tough schedule was the difference in Oran winning or losing to them then Neelyville should have been able to hang with them because of their tough schedule. The difference was Thayer is really good. this year and should have good shot in Springfield.
Some of us seem to forget that in small school basketball, athletic budget is a big factor in scheduling. Usually you have conference obligations, and then you draw a circle of about a 30 mile radius of your school and there inlays the bulk of your competition and whether the teams are good or not is up to luck. Judicious scheduling of a tougher schedule has been ongoing in the last few years for most schools, and Oran is no exception. Thayer has a very good team and they played very well Saturday. Oran had a very good good team and played poorly Saturday. The best team won last Saturday, prior scheduling notwithstanding.
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