They certainly haven't experience fans turning on them. How long will they wait to make any major changes? Personally I think Marmol is in over his head. He made a decision to show he was boss when he went after TON in the press. That seems to have backfired. It should have been handled in private. Guys don't like getting called out. It was the first time I can remember TON not going all out and he had a decent excuse. I think the team lost some respect for him and it's showing in the performance. Granted they don't have good enough pitching to be serious in October but they shouldn't be KC bad. You can't replace the whole team. You can replace the manager. Will that be the move or will they just continue to ride it out and hope for a hot streak that gets them out of the cellar. If something doesn't change it'll be a long hot summer in StL.