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Dems are likely to be running Clinton, a known quantity, and are free from Obama come 2016.
Plus, the demographics of the 2014 vote suggest the Rs really haven't fixed any problems. They took less of a share of the Hispanic vote in 2014 than they did in 2010. We all saw how 2012 turned out.
It's difficult to see the Republicans getting to 270 EV in 2016 unless something else changes between now and then. That change isn't winning Senate seats in states where you won all of the electoral votes in 2012. That change is finding the right candidate and message to win against Hillary in Ohio, Virginia, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, etc.
Plus, the demographics of the 2014 vote suggest the Rs really haven't fixed any problems. They took less of a share of the Hispanic vote in 2014 than they did in 2010. We all saw how 2012 turned out.
It's difficult to see the Republicans getting to 270 EV in 2016 unless something else changes between now and then. That change isn't winning Senate seats in states where you won all of the electoral votes in 2012. That change is finding the right candidate and message to win against Hillary in Ohio, Virginia, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, etc.
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They don't need 60 votes they will only need 51
Democrats changed the rules for confirmation of judges to a simple majority to get what they wanted.
Nothing to stop us Republicans from changing the rules to a simple majority for all legislation
Why shouldn't they ?? Harry Reid has it coming
Democrats changed the rules for confirmation of judges to a simple majority to get what they wanted.
Nothing to stop us Republicans from changing the rules to a simple majority for all legislation
Why shouldn't they ?? Harry Reid has it coming
A more likely scenario would be that the Republicans write legislation into the ACA that the American people can understand like "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" , then place it in front of Barack Obama. The Democrats will now be forced to show who's side their on.
Politics ? Of course
Politics ? Of course
The most intriguing thing about all of this is seeing what they can actually get passed and sent to the President.
Embarrassment to whom? Democrats would love for the Republicans to go hard against immigration. This is probably the #1 fear of most Republican political operatives - you give Latinos a reason to vote D and you're basically giving away the 2016 election.
Clinton isn't losing sleep over this scenario.
R operatives would love for immigration to be untouched as an issue for two more years. Status quo suits them fine. Action either riles up their base by being too generous or pisses off Hispanics and motivates them to vote D in 2016.
Seriously, Obama would love to be able to confront Republicans on immigration. It's one of the few places he can make hay for his party in 2016.
This post was edited on 11/5 4:10 PM by Neutron Monster
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NM,
I really don't think Republicans are against immigration, I think they are against ILLEGAL immigration. The fact that we choose not to protect our border should be the embarrassment, no matter who is in charge.
As I recall, most Hispanics here legally don't agree with illegals slipping in, when they had to go through the proper channels. Enforcing immigration laws shouldnt piss them off, only the illegals, and they can't vote....right?
I really don't think Republicans are against immigration, I think they are against ILLEGAL immigration. The fact that we choose not to protect our border should be the embarrassment, no matter who is in charge.
As I recall, most Hispanics here legally don't agree with illegals slipping in, when they had to go through the proper channels. Enforcing immigration laws shouldnt piss them off, only the illegals, and they can't vote....right?
It's all about the messaging, especially when you have to worry about the nutters in your party saying something really stupid. Ds have historically co-opted this sort of thing by promising funding the border/enforcement mechanisms and then moving the discussion to what to do with the people in the country. That's the real loser for the Rs.
Hispanics are heavily supportive of comprehensive immigration reform, including something akin to amnesty.
This post was edited on 11/5 4:55 PM by Neutron Monster
Hispanics are heavily supportive of comprehensive immigration reform, including something akin to amnesty.
This post was edited on 11/5 4:55 PM by Neutron Monster
I think both sides believe they are doing what is right! The idealogical divide is at polar opposites. Liberals talk about giving companies incentives to keep jobs here and then when they get incentives talk endlessly about corporate welfare that was an incentive for companies to do something.
Libs really believe the minimum wage being raised is a meaningful thing and Cons really believe raising the minimum wage is counterproductive for the poor. They both believe they want what is right.
Giving corporate tax breaks with no guarantees of job creation is corporate welfare.
Having an incentive program where the benefits are correlated to high paying American
jobs being created would not be criticized by liberals and I think most conservatives would love it.
Having an incentive program where the benefits are correlated to high paying American
jobs being created would not be criticized by liberals and I think most conservatives would love it.
Just asking...
How do justify paying an uneducated Mc Donald's employee $15 per hour for nonessential work while paying a Dental Hygienist just $8 to $10 more per hour?
Does it not matter to you that the professional has payed tens of thousands of dollars for education to earn their "career" while the non-professional has done nothing but lobby for a pay raise through the Democrat Party?
How do justify paying an uneducated Mc Donald's employee $15 per hour for nonessential work while paying a Dental Hygienist just $8 to $10 more per hour?
Does it not matter to you that the professional has payed tens of thousands of dollars for education to earn their "career" while the non-professional has done nothing but lobby for a pay raise through the Democrat Party?
No one I know says that McDonald's workers should make $15 an hour.
Have you seen me on the street corner picketing McDonald's? . No.
Have you seen political leaders at the state or national level
picketing with those people? No. This is the crap my 75 year old
father in law says. You act like the fast food workers on the street are
part of Obamas cabinet. Its difficult to have a serious discussion
with this nonsense.
Is the minimum wage a living wage? No. Has it kept up with inflation?
Not even close. Do you like it that there are people working
full time at wal-mart and still qualifying for food stamps?
As much as my dentist charges, the hygienist should be making handsome wages.
If not, then the dentists are greedy as heck. .
There could be a compromise with regard to the minimum wage.
But one side simply takes the stance that millions of people will lose jobs
if a raise occurs instead of being reasonable. No political leader is asking
for $15 an hour. Why can't grownups discuss a compromise that could
get some people off food stamps without crippling business?
Have you seen me on the street corner picketing McDonald's? . No.
Have you seen political leaders at the state or national level
picketing with those people? No. This is the crap my 75 year old
father in law says. You act like the fast food workers on the street are
part of Obamas cabinet. Its difficult to have a serious discussion
with this nonsense.
Is the minimum wage a living wage? No. Has it kept up with inflation?
Not even close. Do you like it that there are people working
full time at wal-mart and still qualifying for food stamps?
As much as my dentist charges, the hygienist should be making handsome wages.
If not, then the dentists are greedy as heck. .
There could be a compromise with regard to the minimum wage.
But one side simply takes the stance that millions of people will lose jobs
if a raise occurs instead of being reasonable. No political leader is asking
for $15 an hour. Why can't grownups discuss a compromise that could
get some people off food stamps without crippling business?
Re: No Democrat is proposing $15 per hour
"Other liberal states"? Seattle is a city dude
No state has set a $15 min. wage. Have u checked
out the cost of a gallon of milk or meat at the grocery?
Our current minimum wage is inhumane.
Are there grown ups in the republican party who can compromise
on this topic or not?
Are there grown ups in the republican party who can compromise
and have a solution besides "deport them all" on the immigration front?
Yes or no?
"Other liberal states"? Seattle is a city dude
No state has set a $15 min. wage. Have u checked
out the cost of a gallon of milk or meat at the grocery?
Our current minimum wage is inhumane.
Are there grown ups in the republican party who can compromise
on this topic or not?
Are there grown ups in the republican party who can compromise
and have a solution besides "deport them all" on the immigration front?
Yes or no?
Re: No Democrat is proposing $15 per hour
Deport them all is a bit extreme ...don't you think?
How about "Compromise" and just deport those who are illegal ?
Democrats and the Tea Party can work together on this topic and ignore the Republicans...
We might even give in on shutting down the Government.
Deport them all is a bit extreme ...don't you think?
How about "Compromise" and just deport those who are illegal ?
Democrats and the Tea Party can work together on this topic and ignore the Republicans...
We might even give in on shutting down the Government.
Re: No Democrat is proposing $15 per hour
compromise would be giving a pathway for the ones who have been here for years raising their families,---- contributing to their communities and otherwise breaking no laws--then asking them to give some community service and apply for citizenship.
Lock down the borders and deport the ones who break laws or do not contribute.
Those are reasonable compromises.
compromise would be giving a pathway for the ones who have been here for years raising their families,---- contributing to their communities and otherwise breaking no laws--then asking them to give some community service and apply for citizenship.
Lock down the borders and deport the ones who break laws or do not contribute.
Those are reasonable compromises.
Re: No Democrat is proposing $15 per hour
Holy Crap,
If the 2 of you can come up with a compromise that works, maybe Washington can also!
I might add there is nothing in there that I disagree with.
Holy Crap,
If the 2 of you can come up with a compromise that works, maybe Washington can also!
I might add there is nothing in there that I disagree with.
Re: No Democrat is proposing $15 per hour
If you and I sat down we could come up with reasonable solutions to everything because we want to fix the problems and aren't worried about being elected or keeping lobbyists happy. Our government is broken on every side. People do things for the wrong reasons.
If you and I sat down we could come up with reasonable solutions to everything because we want to fix the problems and aren't worried about being elected or keeping lobbyists happy. Our government is broken on every side. People do things for the wrong reasons.
Re: No Democrat is proposing $15 per hour
Seattle is trying to be the liberal equivalent of Kansas (testing ground for a policy that is probably a bad idea). It will be interesting to see how it turns out.
Seattle is trying to be the liberal equivalent of Kansas (testing ground for a policy that is probably a bad idea). It will be interesting to see how it turns out.
Re: No Democrat is proposing $15 per hour
Doesn't your insurance cover pre-existing mental issues?Originally posted by Duck_walk:
Thats a first for me. I am the one who usually needs some help......
