Hosts East Buchanan next Saturday even though both are #1 seeds and EB is bottom of the bracket because they hosted 3 games while Gallatin hosted 2 due to first round bye. Interesting.
Gallatin benefits by being in a smaller district
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The defending champs will be tough to knock off. Of all their regular season games I pay closest attention to their near miss at Savannah. Gallatin has played nobody even close to that but I really like their HC who has been in lots of these big games. Give me EB by 2 scores.
Yes. I think EB-Duchesne could be a good ballgame.
Yeah for sure. Class 1 will be interesting this year.
Ah, yeah that’s true. I knew I was forgetting a team. There’s an argument to be made class 1 has some depth and diversity to who can win this year. Looks fun.
1st round district games should be taken out of the equation that goes in to hosting
They really should reseed the entire bracket after districts and top seeds should get home games. When you Lincoln is going to Monroe City or Portageville to Duchesne, is travel really a consideration at this point?
When districts were 2 year cycles the hosting criteria made some sense. Now that they change every year, top/bottom half has little meaning. Unbalanced classes (plural) also contributes to this. Having Class 5 as the catch-all had several benefits, including balanced playoff brackets unless schools dropped out over the summer.
Have said it over the years, all teams advancing through the tournament should have to face a road test or two along the way. Fans should have at least one opportunity to see their team at home on a deep playoff run. This is why I don't like any reseeding proposals. What would the criteria be? You are talking about teams from different regions. There's no way to compare fairly.
Get back to balanced classes and go back to two year cycles imo.
Have said it over the years, all teams advancing through the tournament should have to face a road test or two along the way. Fans should have at least one opportunity to see their team at home on a deep playoff run. This is why I don't like any reseeding proposals. What would the criteria be? You are talking about teams from different regions. There's no way to compare fairly.
Get back to balanced classes and go back to two year cycles imo.
I think that if Portageville wins Saturday, either Gallatin or East Buchanan will have to travel there. That is a haul for both.
As for the Mid-Buch game, EB offense struggle a little but I am pretty sure they will figure it out. But the Dragons are not chopped liver. They are a good team and I think they could have won a couple of the other districts, maybe. Bulldog's defense played well as they bent some but never broke. MB threw the ball more than in the first meeting. I do know one thing, it was cold Friday but at least it wasn't raining like the Hamilton game.
As for the Mid-Buch game, EB offense struggle a little but I am pretty sure they will figure it out. But the Dragons are not chopped liver. They are a good team and I think they could have won a couple of the other districts, maybe. Bulldog's defense played well as they bent some but never broke. MB threw the ball more than in the first meeting. I do know one thing, it was cold Friday but at least it wasn't raining like the Hamilton game.
I could see Holt asking his buddies at Princeton to drop out so he could get home field advantage in the qtrs
The reason they dropped two year cycles was because they never knew from year to year whether team actually were playing 11-man or 8-man or actually fielding a team at all.
Also, most of these teams had at least two home district games already. There is no way to make sure everyone gets another one in the final 8. It is mathematically impossible with only 6 games possible. I would rather reward teams that deserve the games.
Higher seeds get home field advantage. Or am I over simplifying it?
Tiebreakers? As an example, Bowling Green and Higginsville who were both #1 seeds.
Also, a team like Duchesne who plays way up in competition would never qualify for a home game in your scenario. Is that fair?
Tiebreakers by total points scored or strength of schedule?
How often does the scenario like Duchesne happen?
As far as fair goes is the current schedule where a higher seed travels more than the lower seed fair?
Admitting I don’t have the answers up front!
Strength of schedule is arbitrary. What format do you use? District points? Regional criteria. Calpreps? Better perhaps, but not Missouri centric.
Teams like Duchesne happen often enough to not dismiss the scenario. South Shelby made a run to the title game with a losing record entering the playoffs. I know there's more examples but am not going to bother to look them up right now.
Having a sparkling record heading into the playoffs is not reason enough to grant them home field advantage throughout imo. Who has hosted least worked fine with balanced classes. Not perfect of course due to bracket structures, but coupling that with two year cycles it evens out over time.
Class 6 DeSmet played a National schedule this year and, predictably, struggled in those and wound up the 5 seed in a district they just won relatively easily. The cream virtually always rises to the top. There is NO magic formula beyond going back real old school 4 team districts winner advances to round of 16.
So if I'm a 3 seed in a district with the top 3 teams in the state, I shouldn't get any home games because a district with a bunch of turds has their 1 seed win the district?
DeSmet trailed Troy early in the 4th quarter...the final score made it look a lot more one-sided than it actually was...you can see for yourself HERE:
Yet you are the OP. You brought it up as a slight to East Buchanan unless I'm misreading. Balanced classes fixes this. Sure, Class 5 had these issues but being large schools concentrated mostly in our 3 metro areas mitigated that. Now we have them sprinkled in every class except 6. I don't see where 4 team districts has any bearing. They are still placed in a bracket where hosting criteria is necessary.
Sorry I was really referring to the district final. No doubt the semi survivor was going to win that one easily. Also was really sorry to see Troy go down. Very solid team.
Another point is the current system does not handle out of state games very well. Need to fix that if this is indeed going to continue.
I like the idea of keeping track of district points through the district finals then seeding based on those points. I think you'd be surprised how accurate the seedings would be.
It was more of an observation than anything. I like to throw stuff out there, too. I have no idea what the "real" solution is. Why I love reading what everyone else has to say.
as for seeding, I think the current rating needs some work, but a rating system can be used. Something like MaxPreps or CalPreps. Nothing will be perfect. But better than basing on how many home games you already had.
So you think the best teams should never have to play on the road? That doesn't produce a true champion, nor builds any character which is what high school sports is supposed to be about. Also doesn't allow them to experience other towns traditions.
There's also a burden sharing aspect. If only the better teams host then the lesser teams (and their fans, who should be considered) have to pony up all the travel expense which compounds the deeper into the playoffs you go. I'm fairly certain this is the reason for the lesser games hosted being the #1 consideration in the first place. Mississippi also has this rule as the #1 consideration when determining who hosts playoff games, so it's not a unique situation.
I prefer the current format where you can’t lose a game and keep going like you could in the old 4 team districts where you might have two or three 2-1 teams and then it comes down to point differential, a coin toss, or something else other than winning on the field.
First of all I said maybe. I they could of competed with Lincoln and Adrian. Maybe Portageville, don’t know much about them.
Princeton going 8 man. Which will work in GRC since it has a 8 man division. Plattsburg probably going 8 man which will be interesting what the KCI will do. Reseed after 10th game. It would be hard to give points to out of state games unless there are commons.
