No lol an offensive scheme isnt a “culture change” not to go coach speak but you need the guys to buy in 365 days a year and put in work in the weight room. (I really felt like a dirt bag typing this cliche out)
Former Lamar Coach Scott Baily Hired As New Jefferson City Head Coach
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No lol an offensive scheme isnt a “culture change” not to go coach speak but you need the guys to buy in 365 days a year and put in work in the weight room. (I really felt like a dirt bag typing this cliche out)
Would you actually like to BET? The way the power has shifted in the top Classes, no Mid-Missouri team will probably ever win again. Its gonna look like Basketball Class 5 and Track and Field Class 4. Only STL/KC Schools, majority private.
and god no you wont beat DeSmet/Rock or whoever comes next run 5 predictable plays.
You all are wasting all this time talking about the offense Bailey will run. I doubt he fully know what offense he will run. He will run the offense he has the personnel to run. When he came to Lamar he tried something different and quickly realized he didn't have the players to execute it. If you watch, Lamar's offense changed quite a bit from the first state championship to the seventh.
I have watched Lamar run the spinner from 3rd grade to high school over the years, when it is run to perfection and with the right athletes, it is fun to watch. I catch myself even sitting in the stands watching the wrong guy getting tackled thinking great play, only to realize the guy with the ball is now 15 yards down the field. I will be interested to see if Bailey takes that offense with him or will do something else. He didn't start out running the spinner offense at Lamar, he brought it in because he felt it fit Lamar and the athletes he had and it worked, good coaches adapt what they do to the talent they have.
The 2 QB stuff is a little kitschy I'll admit, but the concepts and fundamentals are basic wing stuff out of the gun that lots of schools are running nowadays. I don't think Lamar really started getting foot to foot and "ugly" until they were consistently getting the biggest lineman I have ever seen in C2 football.
It's from the same family of concepts that I see schools like Staley run with great success in KC.
It's from the same family of concepts that I see schools like Staley run with great success in KC.
I will watch with interest this year to see what J. C. puts on the field but I am most interested in what they will look like in year 3 or 4, assuming Bailey stays.
I know nothing about the athletes they have returning or what they have in the pipeline and I assume that pipeline is going to look a lot different now that they have the new school to split enrollment with.
Acquaintances up that way describe the present Jay program variously as a dumpster fire, scheist storm, cluster_ _ _ _, circle_ _ _ _, and other unflattering terms we all learned in the military. That means, sadly, that they have lost and are going to have to re-develop that old Jay culture.
When both public school programs become class 5 don't be surprised if Helias becomes the dominant school in the city on a consistent basis.
I know nothing about the athletes they have returning or what they have in the pipeline and I assume that pipeline is going to look a lot different now that they have the new school to split enrollment with.
Acquaintances up that way describe the present Jay program variously as a dumpster fire, scheist storm, cluster_ _ _ _, circle_ _ _ _, and other unflattering terms we all learned in the military. That means, sadly, that they have lost and are going to have to re-develop that old Jay culture.
When both public school programs become class 5 don't be surprised if Helias becomes the dominant school in the city on a consistent basis.
From this post and some of the past, I am Starting to wonder if some folks know there is a difference between Wing T and Split Back Veer.... Or that just because a pair of offenses line up the same doesnt make them the same.
An ugly win is better than an pretty loss!
Some folks don't.
Double wing, single wing, flexbone, wing-t, and apparently split back veer now, are all just "wing-t" to some people.
Uncultured is what they are.
The point is being missed. I should’ve known when speaking to 65+ year olds about an Offense that NO ONE RUNS anymore because its generally not effective that I would need to call it the right name.
No kids want to run it, its a boring offense.
Hard to get recruited running a Fossilized offense.
No coaches want to run it, its 30 years dated.
We are down to 1% of HS and Colleges running it.
Its a trash offense in 2020 that is solely based off who is better up front. If a defense preps/or seen it a couple of times. And is better up front or similarity talented the offense wont work. Thats why no one runs it.
all 5. All trash. All dated. All would make a 16 year old kid consider transferring.
Yeah, Webb and Lamar kids have been transferring like crazy...
Besides, not everyone cheats, oh sorry, I mean, uses the rules the STL privates use
Ok.
Be sure to let Coach Reed at Lutheran North know that. They run the wing-t as well as anyone.
St. Charles West, Webb City, Hillsboro, Fox, St. Clair, MICDS, Farmington, Ava, Lebanon, etc, etc. all run some variation of the offenses I mentioned above.
5 Year Record (2015-2019)
St. Charles West
34-23
Webb City
65-7
Hillsboro
34-26
Fox
36-17
St. Clair
37-16
MICDS
43-18
Farmington
36-22
Lutheran North
55-12
Ava
52-11
Lebanon
40-17
Monroe City
47-19
Seem to be doing fine with their "trash" offense.
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Then let them transfer. I believe if you looked all the high schools in the US, the most common offense is some sort of wing t. The Chuck and duck offense is all right if you got people that can throw and catch. You still need to have lineman to block.
If @BPcompete doesn't like effective offenses he would hate Michigan. Some of the most successful schools up there run the old Dead T.
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Webb's rb signed with KState today . They have two offensive lineman and a tight end that will sign d1 this year as well .
Actually remember during interview with Maryville radio station week of state semifinal game in 2009? Bailey gave credit to Holt for the success he was having with the offense and decided to implement parts of the Wing T, no huddle hurry up offense with the play cards on the arms at Lamar. (Probably just trying to stoke Holts ego)
Washington went Flexbone last year and had their best season in a while.
@BPcompete
Troy went to the flexbone two years ago.
2015-2017 as a Spread team
7-24 record
2018-19 running flexbone
15-7 record
And I don't think anyone transferred out because of the switch to a "trash" offense.
That's the question I have. Kids don't question what offense they are running if they are scoring points and winning games. Winning produces the "buying in" I keep seeing a few use. If you coach it well it is hard to stop. The other side might have better athletes but they better also know assignments. MU played Navy in 2009 and had better athletes. No one would deny that. But the MU defense (Weatherspoon) didn't know whether drink or draw small straws. The parents or uptown QBs will be the ones you have to convince because they see colleges and pro teams spreading it all over. Whether it's outdated or not is irrelevant if you win. Is the purpose of the season to get scholarships for a couple of kids or for all the kids, the team, to be a part of something great? Coach Robbins had 28 kids out last year. Did they win state? Nope. Did they beat most teams they played? Yep. Why? They were coached well. Did they eventually get outmanned/athleted? Yes. Were his kids begging to run spread. Doubtful. They had a great season.
Again, regardless of offense Bailey has a track record of winning AND getting kids to college. He's sent multiple kids to Mo State, Arkansas, Mizzou, Army, Pitt St, etc.
Most of them ran the foot to foot, pass 12 times a year, double QB, "5 play", spinner stuff.
ALSO, for the most part I hate watching those offenses too. What we need to understand is that most of these old wing variant and veer offenses are like cults, the dudes who love them and utilize them are not normal humans. They're indoctrinated and on their grave they will be talking about establishing the fullback, punishing the C gap, and how it always works with enough time.
Most of them ran the foot to foot, pass 12 times a year, double QB, "5 play", spinner stuff.
ALSO, for the most part I hate watching those offenses too. What we need to understand is that most of these old wing variant and veer offenses are like cults, the dudes who love them and utilize them are not normal humans. They're indoctrinated and on their grave they will be talking about establishing the fullback, punishing the C gap, and how it always works with enough time.
Not fun to watch - 2/3 play drives because of long runs- Pounding the rock against someone against their will- thats not fun to watch - thats called football.
Nothing better than a good wedge play and seeing bodies all over the ground.
Who knows or cares what they will see when JC opens the season. Hope he does well, people give him the chance and that there is a season.
There two types of coaches nowadays IMO. Teachers and managers.
There are coaches that motivate and teach fundamentals to get every ounce of ability out of a kid to make the team better. You see this more in smaller rural schools.
Then you have coaches at the bigger city schools that have a pool of talent to choose from that manages that talent to make the best team he can to be successful.
We will see if Baily can adapt. I dont think he can be successful at JC if he sticks with the way he did things at Lamer.
Have seen multiple successful coaches go from successful small school programs to fail at a big city program because they can't get kids to buyin to the work ethic the coach wants out of the kids.
There are coaches that motivate and teach fundamentals to get every ounce of ability out of a kid to make the team better. You see this more in smaller rural schools.
Then you have coaches at the bigger city schools that have a pool of talent to choose from that manages that talent to make the best team he can to be successful.
We will see if Baily can adapt. I dont think he can be successful at JC if he sticks with the way he did things at Lamer.
Have seen multiple successful coaches go from successful small school programs to fail at a big city program because they can't get kids to buyin to the work ethic the coach wants out of the kids.
Unfortunately, you can bet if he doesn't succeed some of his issues will lie within admin. Not real strong. Unfortunate but true.
