Forget gun control. Focus on rights and safety.

[Neutron Monster]

What I can't start to understand is why Liberals harp on guns being in safes and trigger locks and crap so children will be "safe"

Deaths of children by accidental gunshot is so far down the list of how kids die that it's statistically insignifigant

From Dec. 2012-Dec. 2013, over 100 children in the US died in accidental shootings. Over 70% of these shootings involved firearms that were loaded and unlocked. It's not rocket science. Lock your guns up.

The vast majority of these shootings occurred in small towns - evidence that your theories are just myths. You cannot expect a 4 year old to behave perfectly if they find a loaded gun in your closet. You aren't God. Don't pretend otherwise.

When you consider injuries on top of this, that's a material problem even in the grand scheme of the US.

 

[Neutron Monster]

What does any of this have to do with getting guns off the street? I'm sure the gangs in North St. Louis are really concerned about locked gun safes and gun safety education classes.

Certainly is a bigger problem.

 

[Black&Gold82]

I am quite serious when I say there's an incredible amount of lunacy in this thread. Leaving a loaded gun in the house that kids can access is nuts. You are not the magic parents that you think you are. Kids are independent beings who do stupid things on a regular basis. You give them leeway and space to learn from that stupidity, but not in ways that result in death on a remotely regular basis.

I am on the low end of the overparenting spectrum, I think the average person is way too controlling of the choices their children can make. But, there is a certain line of logic in this thread that is lunacy.

I would not allow my children to play in a house where I knew the parents kept a loaded gun that wasn't locked up.

Obviously we live in a different culture.

 

[Black&Gold82]

From Dec. 2012-Dec. 2013, over 100 children in the US died in accidental shootings. Over 70% of these shootings involved firearms that were loaded and unlocked. It's not rocket science. Lock your guns up.

The vast majority of these shootings occurred in small towns - evidence that your theories are just myths. You cannot expect a 4 year old to behave perfectly if they find a loaded gun in your closet. You aren't God. Don't pretend otherwise.

When you consider injuries on top of this, that's a material problem even in the grand scheme of the US.

I know even 1 is too many but please, what is that percentage?

 

[Neutron Monster]

I know even 1 is too many but please, what is that percentage?

Tell that to the parents of those kids. I bet they feel differently.

It's a higher percentage of preventable accidental deaths that you would guess. Child mortality is very low in developed countries.

Obviously we live in a different culture.

Yes, I live in a world where we take limited action to deny our children obvious threats. I don't leave the dishwasher soap packages on the floor around infants. I wouldn't leave a loaded gun in a closet where a kid could find it when looking for christmas presents. Etc. You don't have to make your house out of bubble wrap but common sense goes a long way.

 

[Stevedangos]

The second amendment is written differently than the 14th. The 14th, especially the equal protection clause is more like the 1st - a clear declaration that laws cannot do something, period. The second amendment is not written in that manner - it refers to the right to bear arms "as a part of a well regulated militia." There is no qualifier like this in the 14th amendment. The Second Amendment is a uniquely crafted amendment - grammatically incorrect, with two distinctly separate goals mentioned (right to bear arms is not infringable, but as a part of a "well regulated militia).

You need to know something about what you speak

Automatic weapons are NOT BANNED

You make arrangements to buy the weapon, do the paperwork, pay your fee, then get your stamp that makes you a legal "machine gun" owner in almost all states". For sure in Missouri

Good Lord you can go to Sturgis and shoot a machine gun all day long during the rally,,and people are lined up to do it

If you take a look at current law, there's no comparison between the amount of gun control and the amount of speech or religion control in the US. The US, even with its weak control of guns, has protections that dwarf the limits on speech and religion. Why? Because the 2nd amendment isn't as broad as the 1st.

If the 2nd amendment were really that broad, we wouldn't be able to ban automatic weapons, for instance.

Even Scalia's opinion in Heller, which was the definition of judicial activism, acknowledged there are limits which are legal, such as background checks being ok, laws against grenades, and laws against felons possessing guns. We don't ban felons from speaking.

 

[Black&Gold82]

Tell that to the parents of those kids. I bet they feel differently.

It's a higher percentage of preventable accidental deaths that you would guess. Child mortality is very low in developed countries.


Yes, I live in a world where we take limited action to deny our children obvious threats. I don't leave the dishwasher soap packages on the floor around infants. I wouldn't leave a loaded gun in a closet where a kid could find it when looking for christmas presents. Etc. You don't have to make your house out of bubble wrap but common sense goes a long way.

Like I said a different culture.

 

[Stevedangos]

I know even 1 is too many but please, what is that percentage?

How many children drowned in backyard pools ????

 

[Neutron Monster]

How many children drowned in backyard pools ????

Too many, it's a risk that parents underrate. If you have small children, you need to have your pool fenced in completely - access denied even from your house.

 

[wcowherd]

My parents have a pool. My parents taught my then 4 year old sister to not go near the pool unless she was with them. They didn't trust that she would follow that advice though, because children often don't obey parents. They also bought a child proof pool cover. I cannot fathom a reason why you wouldn't do the exact same thing with guns.

 

[wcowherd]

You do realize that youth deer season starts at age 6 right? It's obvious you still haven't reached the mental capacity of a six year old. So I suggest you wait a few more years before your dad takes you hunting.

Is that supposed to prove a point, other than have deer season for someone that young is completely stupid?

 

[Duck_walk]

in my parents home, all guns were locked in a cabinet built into the wall. It would have taken a sledge hammer to get a gun out.
My dad carried the only key with him at all times. None of the weapons were ever loaded in the house. But we weren't gun nuts who treat guns like an appliance, like a can opener.

Remember the concealed carry lady who was shot and killed in the grocery store by her two year old? The more guns there are in society the more tragedies we have. Step one...gun nuts must admit this. Then we can come up with a fair solution that won't inhibit your gun addiction but keep society more safe.

 

[Bogey Man]

I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS DEBATE. Do any of you really believe that discussing whether you lock up your guns at home or your kids attend gun safety classes has anything to do with gun violence in our cities? There are millions of guns in circulation, there's nothing anybody can do about it, and that's the problem.
All of you 2nd Amendment/NRA/"They're trying to take my deer rifle away" nuts have won. Now we all have to live in a country that is saturated with weapons and that ain't going to change in our lifetime. You have created this world we live in, so don't preach to me about gun safety classes or whether swimming pools are dangerous or any of your other nonsense. You gun's rights fanatics that think assault rifles and 20 clip semiautomatic pistols are our god given constitutional right are the reason we live in the most murderous nation on earth.

 

[Neutron Monster]

Gun violence in our cities is not the only gun problem in our country. Gun accidents are a problem. So are gun suicides.

 

[Duck_walk]

I don't agree. There are things that can be done. Attitudes can be changed. Gun and magazine buy backs and restrictions can occur. 20 years ago did you think we would have gay marriage and lawful pot smoking?
Attitudes can be changed. Going to extremes to lock guns up is a change in attitude.

 

[Duck_walk]

http://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/barack-obama-executive-action-gun-violence-reduction/

 

[Bogey Man]

I wouldn't count on too many people lining up for gun buy backs. Besides, any type of gun buy back will barely put a dent in the numbers of guns out there. We can't put the genie back in the bottle.

 

[Kenny56]

Duck why is Sainte Genevieve county absent of gun violence despite a high number of guns per household?

Just answer the question.

 

[Neutron Monster]

I wouldn't count on too many people lining up for gun buy backs. Besides, any type of gun buy back will barely put a dent in the numbers of guns out there. We can't put the genie back in the bottle.

Gun buy backs don't work. People just sell old crap they don't want.

 

[Duck_walk]

Duck why is Sainte Genevieve county absent of gun violence despite a high number of guns per household?

Just answer the question.

We aren't talking about hunting.
Hunting rifles are not the problem.
Folks living out of town who shoot varmints is not the problem.
The problem is that what works in ste. gen does not work in Chicago.
You people go so ape about state rights or local control. Why not let urban cities and states make their own gun laws? Answer THAT question.

Answer why you don't demand background checks. What harm will it do? Why is it OK that you license your car but not a gun?
Instead of just stubbornly taking the nra side
be reasonable. And don't tell me that this will lead to taking your guns or limiting your ownership. You have travelled beyond SG.
Be creative and open.

 

[Duck_walk]

Gun buy backs don't work. People just sell old crap they don't want.

They worked in Australia.

 

[Kenny56]

We aren't talking about hunting.
Hunting rifles are not the problem.
Folks living out of town who shoot varmints is not the problem.
The problem is that what works in ste. gen does not work in Chicago.
You people go so ape about state rights or local control. Why not let urban cities and states make their own gun laws? Answer THAT question.

Answer why you don't demand background checks. What harm will it do? Why is it OK that you license your car but not a gun?
Instead of just stubbornly taking the nra side
be reasonable. And don't tell me that this will lead to taking your guns or limiting your ownership. You have travelled beyond SG.
Be creative and open.

1. Do you think there are only hunting rifles in this town?
2. So people who own guns are not the problem or in your words "folks living out of town who shoot varmints". That seems to contradict a lot of what you have said in the past, and a lot of what is described a solution in the article. They want to make guns as a "bad". But if people in rural communities that have a lot of guns both rifles and handguns, have little to no issues, I would say the inanimate object such as a gun isn't the issue.
3. Why not let Urbanites and Cities make their own gun laws? Well they kind of already do with Open Carry. I don't have any issue with that. As long as it works with everything else. Why let Chicago decide all of the rules the Illinois residents have to play by? Have you driven through the farm land to Chicago recently? Not much love by the farmers that have to play by the rules of people who rarely step off pavement.
4. I already told you my opinion on background checks. I don't have any issue with requiring them at all sales, my only problem is using it as a registry. The government cannot keep anything private. I do not want my neighbor to know what guns I have or anybody else.
5.What does my gun cost you? Did you have to license your TV? I'm not sure what you're getting at with registering a vehicle and not a gun. You're not registering a vehicle because it's dangerous..........

 

[3Rfan]

1. Do you think there are only hunting rifles in this town?
2. So people who own guns are not the problem or in your words "folks living out of town who shoot varmints". That seems to contradict a lot of what you have said in the past, and a lot of what is described a solution in the article. They want to make guns as a "bad". But if people in rural communities that have a lot of guns both rifles and handguns, have little to no issues, I would say the inanimate object such as a gun isn't the issue.
3. Why not let Urbanites and Cities make their own gun laws? Well they kind of already do with Open Carry. I don't have any issue with that. As long as it works with everything else. Why let Chicago decide all of the rules the Illinois residents have to play by? Have you driven through the farm land to Chicago recently? Not much love by the farmers that have to play by the rules of people who rarely step off pavement.
4. I already told you my opinion on background checks. I don't have any issue with requiring them at all sales, my only problem is using it as a registry. The government cannot keep anything private. I do not want my neighbor to know what guns I have or anybody else.
5.What does my gun cost you? Did you have to license your TV? I'm not sure what you're getting at with registering a vehicle and not a gun. You're not registering a vehicle because it's dangerous..........

A very large majority of NRA members are FOR registration and other common sense laws. It's the NRA big wigs that flip out over ANYTHING to do ANY control of sales at gun shows.

 

[Duck_walk]

A very large majority of NRA members are FOR registration and other common sense laws. It's the NRA big wigs that flip out over ANYTHING to do ANY control of sales at gun shows.

Bigwigs and Kenny56. Because we don't want neighbors to know you have a gun??? OMG I have heard it all now.