Forget gun control. Focus on rights and safety.
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So throw away a large portion of our countries opinion because you assume yours(liberals) is the only approach? Amazingly self absorbed aren't we?
This is classic right here.
“This is not about the government saying you cannot own a handgun. This is about society saying you should not have a gun, especially in a home with children.”
Why should you not own a gun with a child in the home? Talk about liberal toilet paper.
How about firearm education at a young age? Amazing concept I know. I've stated it once and I'll state it again. We never had a safe in our house. Guns in closets and in the barn and in the garage. Never even thought about grabbing one without Dad around. Wonder why that is?
It's your right to not own a gun in your home. Remember the preaching this past week "Mind your own business".
Maybe stiffer penalties for crimes used with firearms? Sign me up for that one. Heck I don't even care to have background checks at all purchases. Problem with that is, I don't want you or anybody else to know what guns I own. And we sure as heck know the government can't keep personal information a secret as is.
But your approach of guns are the problem will get you no where with me and a lot of other responsible gun owners.
This is classic right here.
“This is not about the government saying you cannot own a handgun. This is about society saying you should not have a gun, especially in a home with children.”
Why should you not own a gun with a child in the home? Talk about liberal toilet paper.
How about firearm education at a young age? Amazing concept I know. I've stated it once and I'll state it again. We never had a safe in our house. Guns in closets and in the barn and in the garage. Never even thought about grabbing one without Dad around. Wonder why that is?
It's your right to not own a gun in your home. Remember the preaching this past week "Mind your own business".
Maybe stiffer penalties for crimes used with firearms? Sign me up for that one. Heck I don't even care to have background checks at all purchases. Problem with that is, I don't want you or anybody else to know what guns I own. And we sure as heck know the government can't keep personal information a secret as is.
But your approach of guns are the problem will get you no where with me and a lot of other responsible gun owners.
Talk about drama. Get a grip girl. I just posted an article. I'm not the author. I was sharing his opinion. You can ignore facts all you want. You are more likely to die from a gun shot if you have a gun in your home than if you don't. The fact that your family was disciplined and lucky enough not to die is irrelevant to what has happened to thousands of others.
You struggle to look beyond your narrow little world. People have a right to not be around guns. If you want a gun in your house I don't care. But his idea to educate others is a great idea. I just hope when the accident happens at your house its not your wife or child who gets hurt.
You struggle to look beyond your narrow little world. People have a right to not be around guns. If you want a gun in your house I don't care. But his idea to educate others is a great idea. I just hope when the accident happens at your house its not your wife or child who gets hurt.
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I'm not struggling with anything, I am providing feasible solutions to some BS article that you obviously you went full school girl over.
His idea of educate others is to say "guns are bad". That is a good idea? Why?
I just hope when the accident happens at your house its not your wife or child who gets hurt
When it happens? What is that supposed to mean? I'm guessing you're hoping it's me?
So should you have a gun in the house (apparently anywhere is good, no safe necessary) if you haven't taught your child gun safety?
It really is. It certainly wasn't thanks to your "gun safety" culture that was obviously prevalent at your home.
Where did I say it was ok to not have a gun in a safe or within reach of children? I stated that as far I as remember they were always within reach. But that limited memory may only go back to 10 or 11. I did have a BB gun within arms reach incase the squirrel was attacking the bird's feeder.
So please, tell me where I have stated it was ok....
Actually I do believe it was. You do realize that in home gun safes have just now caught traction over the last 10 years? right? Most homes had "gun cabinets". More like a display case for them fine pieces of craftsmanship.
Does that somehow make it ok that a prepubescent child has free access to a deadly weapon that he could not only hurt himself with but potentially many others?
Again, not a gun safety culture.
Why should I answer an assumption you made? First you claimed I stated a 3 year old was to be educated). Then you follow it up with another assumption "(apparently anywhere is good, no safe necessary)".
It's not an assumption if you could get to your father's gun whenever you wanted at 10.
It's quite obvious you're assuming again.
You're the typical liberal painting his own picture in his distorted head to what he or she pleases.
You don't care if I answer yet you follow it up with your own assumption on how I view gun safety.
Do as you please little fella. Do as you please.
I grew up without a gun safe, my kids grew up without a gun safe and my grand kids are growing up without a gun safe. You just have to teach them respect at an early age.
That's nonsense. You and yours are irresponsible.
You have no clue about gun safety and education.
You sir are the problem.
Lol. Ya, pretty common place over hear. The only person I know of that has been shot was some kid who tried to rob someone and ended up on the wrong end of a 30-06.
How early? And in your experience do kids always follow parents advice? And why wouldn't you want to ensure that your child couldn't get your gun?
That's how my kids were taught. They knew what they could touch and what they couldn't. They also didn't have wishy washy discipline. We tried to be firm and steady with them. We would have friends visit that would try to baby proof our house even though we had little kids. We could take our kids anywhere without having to put things away. Now when we had guests I would lock stuff in my room.
I do not own a gun, but my daughters have married gun owners who love to hunt. Guns will be a big part of my grandsons and daughters life. I am not trying to say all guns should be out lawed, but wouldn't it be reasonable to put some restrictions in place to protect people. It seems to me if we can keep people from smoking in bars, zoos and many other places we should be able to keep people from bringing a gun into these places. Yet we can't and this bothers me! Seems strange to me that a person who has a conceal and carry can walk through the bar with his gun, but if he lights up he or she would be asked to leave
The second amendment is written differently than the 14th. The 14th, especially the equal protection clause is more like the 1st - a clear declaration that laws cannot do something, period. The second amendment is not written in that manner - it refers to the right to bear arms "as a part of a well regulated militia." There is no qualifier like this in the 14th amendment. The Second Amendment is a uniquely crafted amendment - grammatically incorrect, with two distinctly separate goals mentioned (right to bear arms is not infringable, but as a part of a "well regulated militia).
If you take a look at current law, there's no comparison between the amount of gun control and the amount of speech or religion control in the US. The US, even with its weak control of guns, has protections that dwarf the limits on speech and religion. Why? Because the 2nd amendment isn't as broad as the 1st.
If the 2nd amendment were really that broad, we wouldn't be able to ban automatic weapons, for instance.
Even Scalia's opinion in Heller, which was the definition of judicial activism, acknowledged there are limits which are legal, such as background checks being ok, laws against grenades, and laws against felons possessing guns. We don't ban felons from speaking.
We grew up without a gun safe and several guns. I have a loaded SK rifle in the bedroom closet now and for the last 20 years. I don't think it has been touched 3 times in that timeframe. Guns aren't dangerous if you know and teach their purpose.
I am quite serious when I say there's an incredible amount of lunacy in this thread. Leaving a loaded gun in the house that kids can access is nuts. You are not the magic parents that you think you are. Kids are independent beings who do stupid things on a regular basis. You give them leeway and space to learn from that stupidity, but not in ways that result in death on a remotely regular basis.
I am on the low end of the overparenting spectrum, I think the average person is way too controlling of the choices their children can make. But, there is a certain line of logic in this thread that is lunacy.
I would not allow my children to play in a house where I knew the parents kept a loaded gun that wasn't locked up.
I am on the low end of the overparenting spectrum, I think the average person is way too controlling of the choices their children can make. But, there is a certain line of logic in this thread that is lunacy.
I would not allow my children to play in a house where I knew the parents kept a loaded gun that wasn't locked up.
The lunacy throughout this thread is exactly why the author is right. We must have an attitude change. Gun control will just be fought politically. We need to change the mindset. There are a lot of BGs, Millers and JR Cashes who haven't had happy endings with gun ownership. You might think your child would never defy you or do something stupid. Good luck with that.
Where did I say I had a loaded gun readily available to my kid? You make up more **** than Coward.
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Thats so much crap. My dad started all us kids (and grandkids) shooting as soon as we could hold a J frame .357 Smith. Age of about 5-6 years old. We NEVER shot a .22. Dad wanted us at a very early age to know when you pulled the trigger on a handgun something very violent happens and its not a damn toy.
Best thing they could do in gun safety classesfor children is to gear them up one at a time and teach them to shoot
You're preaching to people who either never shot a gun or have little to no experience with guns. These people believe an inanimate object will kill you without help from a warm blooded human. You're also preaching to people who will interpret your post however the heck they want.
I actually started on a BB gun at a pretty young age. But that was more for familiarity with open sights and gun safety. Never was allowed to touch a gun without supervision until I was old enough to hunt on my own legally. Then graduated to a 22lr. My Dad and Grandpa made it a religious practice of preaching gun safety while hunting and carrying that rifle. If we didn't pay attention or listen the gun got yanked out of our hands and we were sent home while the others(brothers) got to hunt. Something as simple as not acknowledging my Dad would get that result. To this day there is not a gun that is moved without the bolt open or safety off. It really is amazing, all of these guns that are in rural communities and such lack of gun violence. I am sure there is no correlation to how a kid is raised and gun violence.
They want guns to be considered "bad". That's the liberal culture.
You do realize that youth deer season starts at age 6 right? It's obvious you still haven't reached the mental capacity of a six year old. So I suggest you wait a few more years before your dad takes you hunting.
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What I can't start to understand is why Liberals harp on guns being in safes and trigger locks and crap so children will be "safe"
Deaths of children by accidental gunshot is so far down the list of how kids die that it's statistically insignifigant
Deaths of children by accidental gunshot is so far down the list of how kids die that it's statistically insignifigant
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