For all of us who questioned bringing Waino back
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He has been the most consistent player all year for St Louis, besides maybe Yadi… Proving that pitching is more than just velo. He has used change of pace, speed, and location as good as anyone.
Last I saw he was 3rd in the league in innings pitched and about to turn 40.
I think I saw that he is second now in that category and batters faced. Teams that have beat him usually get to him in the first inning or two. Even look at his loss on Tuesday. Only two runs allowed.
Threw 8 innings today and put up another goose egg.
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He's pretty dang good for any age, they don't have a great chance at getting a wild card spot but they wouldn't have any chance without what he's done. If they could just find a way to get in they could be scary if everybody is healthy.
There’s not enough offense to be scary. And as well as Waino is doing, he’d probably get lit up by a good lineup that is fully focused in the playoffs. But darn if he hasn’t been good, really good the last couple months.
They could win this baby! Wonder how DEV is doing? That vertigo is scary stuff.
I guess I missed it. I've been wondering where he's been on TMA. Thought maybe he got fired like Cat did.
I think last Friday they announced it. Can't remember. I always get a few weeks behind podcasting during the summer and get caught up once school starts. Lots of podcasting time during those teacher work weeks! I heard it a few days ago. Seems like the Fan Page posts about it were over a week old for sure. TMM had another post about him today, so some info must've been put out today.
Well never mind anyway, Flaherty just went down again, Arenado is in the tank at the plate, Oneil can't stay on the field, they just keep sending Dejong back out to SS when he's hitting less than his weight and they have a better option on the bench.
At least they are bringing Yadi back to finish his career as a Cardinal, I'd bet that cinches Waino's return too. 😊
They are just an average team! Waino was good against the Brewers the other day but got no run support. Don’t have the pitching and if Yadi is your 5-hole, you aren’t very good.
| plit | G | GS | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | TB | GDP | HBP | SH | SF | IBB | ROE | BAbip | tOPS+ | sOPS+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 Totals | 121 | 121 | 512 | 467 | 59 | 120 | 32 | 2 | 25 | 82 | 2 | 0 | 38 | 76 | .257 | .314 | .495 | .809 | 231 | 18 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 5 | 3 | .257 | 100 |
| I | Split | G | GS | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | TB | GDP | HBP | SH | SF | IBB | ROE | BAbip | tOPS+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Home | 605 | 596 | 2562 | 2316 | 411 | 725 | 163 | 21 | 147 | 500 | 8 | 6 | 205 | 360 | .313 | .368 | .592 | .960 | 1371 | 72 | 13 | 0 | 27 | 35 | 20 | .315 | 117 | |
| Away | 595 | 588 | 2508 | 2269 | 297 | 601 | 131 | 8 | 113 | 342 | 10 | 9 | 195 | 400 | .265 | .323 | .479 | .802 | 1087 | 67 | 12 | 5 | 27 | 28 | 21 | .274 | 83 |
This is what I've been screaming from the top of the mountain since this deal was done. When he's not hitting in that cavernous OF...he's just kind of average as a hitter. He's basically 265/325/480 outside of Coors. He's a great defensive 3B. One of the absolute best ever. He's a poor man's Scott Rolen at the plate. Probably closer to Glaus. Rolen was arguably the third or fourth best offensive player on the really good Birds teams. This dude can't be billed as the best. He ain't. He's average offensively for a corner IF.
He seems to do real well with RISP for some reason and has a fair number HR's but I like guys that hit lots of doubles and for decent average. I know the metrics folks don't care about BA but if you get on base 1 out of 3 AB's you are doing it sometimes with runners on and sometimes you need the BE the runner on base. It's sad how many players right now are NOT hitting .300 or anywhere near that. A bunch of guys hitting leadoff or in the 3 hole are around .260, that just didn't happen 10 years ago. The HOF'ers still around have to wonder what has happened to the game.
It’s gotten hard to watch, that’s for sure. OPS or OPS+ is a greater measure of a hitters worth…but the numbers you mention would shine through in that metric. My thing with Arenado is, he’s just kind of an average powerish hitter. Nobody is pitching around him. He doesn’t strike fear. He’s just…ok…for lack of a better term. If he’s your teams best hitter, it’s probably going to be an average to below average team.
It's amazing to me how athlete he is in the field but he dreadfully slow on the bases. He has to be just ahead of Molina in foot speed, if he hits ground ball with punner on first it's a DP pretty much every time. Wasn't he always a good hitter for Colorado, not just a HR hitter?
Look at the splits I posted. His numbers away from Coors are darned near EXACTLY what they are this season. He isn't a different hitter, he's just a hitter that isn't hitting in Coors (huge OF) for half of his games any longer. I'm baffled at the lack of understanding of this from those that should know...Not meant at you 3R. I'm just amazed at media members that tweet something or write something about some of his struggles and don't make that correlation. First thing I did when they made the trade was look at his home/road splits. This goes back to when they were flirting with the idea of Charlie Blackmon (I think when they signed Fowler). Blackmon was the same way. HUGE split difference away from Coors.
That's a pretty neat chart. What sticks out to me is the Cards have the 5th biggest OF but they still struggle so bad offensively. I'd like to see stats on the affect of the shift, before it became such a big thing versus after. It seems like the Cards have been hurt by it a lot. Carp obviously sticks out like a sore thumb. But they all hit into it a LOT. It doesn't really matter how big your yard is if you insist on only using half of it.
Some of that is they say "he into the shift" when they hit the ball up the middle and the SS is standing there. That's what they've been told to do their whole life and now it's an out a lot of times. No doubt Carp has been REALLY affected by the shift but he is just too hardheaded to go the other way or just bunt the dang ball that way. He definitely was a better hitter when he had about 10 HR's and 50 doubles. The somebody told him he needed to hit more HR's.
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