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obviously you never took my personal finance class nor my strength and conditioning class or you would never think this way.
I'm sure you were teacher of the year. I'll bet you were the principal's favorite teacher.

Personal finance..did you say just be an idiot and let the government pay for it? Yikes. That generation of kids probably isn't doing very well through this situation.

You probably led the anarchist movement in the lunch room. I'll bet you had all the problems figured out. You would have won state if coach would have put you in at quarterback in '89... how old are you?

Can you throw a pigskin over a mountain?
 
I'm sure you were teacher of the year. I'll bet you were the principal's favorite teacher.

Personal finance..did you say just be an idiot and let the government pay for it? Yikes. That generation of kids probably isn't doing very well through this situation.

You probably led the anarchist movement in the lunch room. I'll bet you had all the problems figured out. You would have won state if coach would have put you in at quarterback in '89... how old are you?

Can you throw a pigskin over a mountain?

Actually if they followed my teachings they would survive at least 6 months because they would have had an emergency fund. And if bad fortune had come their way, they could at least use their credit card because they would have had it paid it off with a zero balance. And they wouldn’t need to worry about car payments because they wouldn’t have had one of those nor a student loan either.

You see my man, I have had ladies tell me in the store that their kids I had 20 years ago have never been in debt thanks to me.

Another kid in his 30s told me he started buying rental property right out of HS after taking my class and he now has close to 20 properties.

Maybe if you say one of your prayers you could have an impact like that and change lives.
 
They had 1413 new cases of the Rona yesterday. It was their biggest jump. AND........the governor opened the beaches back up.

Don’t tell me not to laugh at Trump worshipers going down.
And 9-11 just killed folks out East. Was that not a big deal either?

And with that you prove incapable of understanding my point..
 
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You teach personal finance...approximately 85% of Americans are in debt.

I'm sure you've done a bang up job...

In this case...you can lead a horse to water.... and they didn't start requiring personal finance education in Missouri until 2005... a lot of people got out of school without it.

And--I know I've had students go out and immediately buy a car, go to school for a major that won't pay back, and do all kinds of other dumb things. It's a problem.
 
In this case...you can lead a horse to water.... and they didn't start requiring personal finance education in Missouri until 2005... a lot of people got out of school without it.

And--I know I've had students go out and immediately buy a car, go to school for a major that won't pay back, and do all kinds of other dumb things. It's a problem.

End of the day personal finance, and all education, starts at home.
 
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Typical public school is nothing more than a government babysitting service anyway.

WHOA NELLY..... Another stereotypical that statement shows your ignorance. I worked in a Top 10% DESE school, and most of the schools in my area are good public high schools and have the test scores to back it up, so don't lump them all together. The majority of MO public schools do a good job or else they would be on probation or lose their accreditation.

Now if you would say that the STL and KC city school districts have a lot of problems, then I couldn't argue. But it really ticks me off when I hear someone say something about our country's "failing" public school system. It's not an "educational" problem, it's a "societal" problem. Some of the STL city schools have attendance rates in the 50%-70% range. You can't teach them if 1/3 to 1/2 of them aren't there on any given day. That's not the teachers' fault. It starts at home.

But you don't know what you are talking about if you think the typical teacher is just a gov babysitter.
 
WHOA NELLY..... Another stereotypical that statement shows your ignorance. I worked in a Top 10% DESE school, and most of the schools in my area are good public high schools and have the test scores to back it up, so don't lump them all together. The majority of MO public schools do a good job or else they would be on probation or lose their accreditation.

Now if you would say that the STL and KC city school districts have a lot of problems, then I couldn't argue. But it really ticks me off when I hear someone say something about our country's "failing" public school system. It's not an "educational" problem, it's a "societal" problem. Some of the STL city schools have attendance rates in the 50%-70% range. You can't teach them if 1/3 to 1/2 of them aren't there on any given day. That's not the teachers' fault. It starts at home.

But you don't know what you are talking about if you think the typical teacher is just a gov babysitter.

Ok.
 
And don't forget trumpy cut the education dept budget and put a woman in charge that has never worked in education. Guess it's not a money making business so screw 'em.
 
And don't forget trumpy cut the education dept budget and put a woman in charge that has never worked in education. Guess it's not a money making business so screw 'em.

Public education is garbage (by and large) I know where you're from, and yeah it's a pretty solid school, but MICDS it ain't.
 
Stereotypes are never accurate and you don't know what you're talking about on education. And I'm not arguing with you since you think you are an expert on every topic.
 
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Former public school educator. Trump funding or not funding had zero impact on our instruction.

Bureaucrats from Jeff city did with more things to try to quantify, hold over the heads of schools audits, end of course exams, and now....

Schools aren’t doing graded assignments (so students aren’t doing them) because they can’t properly accommodate those with iep and 504. “No child gets ahead”. Exempt the iep and move on. It’s not great, but better than all sitting there twiddling thumbs.

My Evals were always a dog and pony show, check a box and file something away that no one looked at.

Thankfully I wasn’t english or math, as they are the hardest jobs in regards to pressure to make their kids score well on tests.

Not to mention we treat students based on how long they’ve been out of the way womb. Socialized education based on the industrial revolution is a bad model.

We have just lowered the bar. Made it easier to graduate because we can’t be having non-graduates. The students know that too and so now we have to drag them and beg them to graduate.

It is a shill game. I feel for teachers that want to do it right. They do well and despite the model they work in.

Not to mention the toxic climate that blames the school and teacher before holding students and parents accountable.

What used to be an education center is now the counseling center, daycare, food pantry, clothes closet.

Learned dependency. A large percentage of students I saw on Ieps just needed held accountable at home.
 
Sure a lot of what you say is true, but the motivated students are getting a good education. Like anything else, you get out of it what you put into it. I have heard too many former students who were thankful that they were well prepared for college.
 
Sure a lot of what you say is true, but the motivated students are getting a good education. Like anything else, you get out of it what you put into it. I have heard too many former students who were thankful that they were well prepared for college.
The really good students didn’t need a teacher. But yes, there are success stories or no one would teach.
 
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The really good students didn’t need a teacher.

They need to be challenged academically too. Teachers have the benefit of life experiences to provoke the exceptional students to explore new concepts and ideas.

Do exceptional college students not need professors??
 
They need to be challenged academically too. Teachers have the benefit of life experiences to provoke the exceptional students to explore new concepts and ideas.

Do exceptional college students not need professors??
I’m not saying teachers don’t have value. I certainly didn’t teach for the money... but the really exceptional students don’t need educated as much as access to resources and inspiration. They didn’t need my pedagogy
 
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I have a student that went to nationals and placed multiple times in business events. I didn’t teach them a thing in regards to the events they did. They just needed access to the software and a place to practice
 
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Stereotypes are never accurate and you don't know what you're talking about on education. And I'm not arguing with you since you think you are an expert on every topic.

Former public school educator. Trump funding or not funding had zero impact on our instruction.

Bureaucrats from Jeff city did with more things to try to quantify, hold over the heads of schools audits, end of course exams, and now....

Schools aren’t doing graded assignments (so students aren’t doing them) because they can’t properly accommodate those with iep and 504. “No child gets ahead”. Exempt the iep and move on. It’s not great, but better than all sitting there twiddling thumbs.

My Evals were always a dog and pony show, check a box and file something away that no one looked at.

Thankfully I wasn’t english or math, as they are the hardest jobs in regards to pressure to make their kids score well on tests.

Not to mention we treat students based on how long they’ve been out of the way womb. Socialized education based on the industrial revolution is a bad model.

We have just lowered the bar. Made it easier to graduate because we can’t be having non-graduates. The students know that too and so now we have to drag them and beg them to graduate.

It is a shill game. I feel for teachers that want to do it right. They do well and despite the model they work in.

Not to mention the toxic climate that blames the school and teacher before holding students and parents accountable.

What used to be an education center is now the counseling center, daycare, food pantry, clothes closet.

Learned dependency. A large percentage of students I saw on Ieps just needed held accountable at home.

This^
 
I wrote the curriculum for personal finance for Farmington HS during the summer of 1995. I taught it that year and the following 12 years at NCHS. I didn’t have to follow the states curriculum because it wasn’t required yet. But my class objectives were very close.

My dad was Dave Ramsey 40 years before Dave Ramsey was born and I incorporated it all into my class long before anyone heard of Dave Ramsey, along with much I had learned getting my MBA and working at AT&T.

It was an elective class when I taught it. But I had several periods of full classrooms because our school thought it was important and I personally think it’s the most important class in the school. Always did. It is relevant to every person.

Even the kids from well to do families learned what mistakes their parents made managing money and would talk to them about it.
Some of the best students in my class were the ones who hated their other classes and school in general. But you guys carry on.

Ok Steve. Good to have you back.
 
We all know Veerman was your first mosports ID. You are angelic.

Well before I take my leave, I find it hilarious that you would go out of your way to tell us all off as Duck Walk and claim you never want to associate with anyone on here ever again and then you create three new handles and drag up an old one so you can take over the board again without "going back on your word". We all know you're a pathetic old troll who has literally wished death on Trump voters.

Just use Duck Walk again, we all know it's you.
 
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I wrote the curriculum for personal finance for Farmington HS during the summer of 1995. I taught it that year and the following 12 years at NCHS. I didn’t have to follow the states curriculum because it wasn’t required yet. But my class objectives were very close.

My dad was Dave Ramsey 40 years before Dave Ramsey was born and I incorporated it all into my class long before anyone heard of Dave Ramsey, along with much I had learned getting my MBA and working at AT&T.

It was an elective class when I taught it. But I had several periods of full classrooms because our school thought it was important and I personally think it’s the most important class in the school. Always did. It is relevant to every person.

Even the kids from well to do families learned what mistakes their parents made managing money and would talk to them about it.
Some of the best students in my class were the ones who hated their other classes and school in general. But you guys carry on.
Good for you. Why didn't you learn anything?
 
lazer/stable.... I'm not trying to argue here. I wanted to hear what you want us to do?

What do you think the state of Missouri should do going forward? (I know you said every situation is different) ...so lets exclude st.louis and kc.

It's easy for ALL OF US to be critical of the way leadership does anything, but what do you think we should do differently than what is being done?

And where does personal freedom lie in this situation?
I've said this before and I think what is happening now is probably as good of an experiment as we could ask for. We now have volunteers going out into the public and exposing themselves to the virus. Over the next 14 to 30 days the data will start to come in on just how easily the virus spreads and if it is something that can be managed for the sake of the economy. Next 30 days will be key in these states where the protests are taking place and my wish is that there is no uptick in cases so we can start to get back to the new normal, whatever that might be.
 
I've said this before and I think what is happening now is probably as good of an experiment as we could ask for. We now have volunteers going out into the public and exposing themselves to the virus. Over the next 14 to 30 days the data will start to come in on just how easily the virus spreads and if it is something that can be managed for the sake of the economy. Next 30 days will be key in these states where the protests are taking place and my wish is that there is no uptick in cases so we can start to get back to the new normal, whatever that might be.

Those courageous protestors sacrificing for the greater good of humanity. Gotta love em.
 
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