Florida

[Stable_Genius]

They had 1413 new cases of the Rona yesterday. It was their biggest jump. AND........the governor opened the beaches back up.

Don’t tell me not to laugh at Trump worshipers going down.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

They had 1413 new cases of the Rona yesterday. It was their biggest jump. AND........the governor opened the beaches back up.

Don’t tell me not to laugh at Trump worshipers going down.

Dude, we are all going to get it! Unless you want to stay in your bunker for another year.

You are cruel.

They will likely be done with this thing way faster than other states as a result. Sweden isn’t overwhelmed... hmmm.

 

[Arkansas_Laserback]

The point of the lockdown is 2 fold.

1. Protect the most vulnerable
2. To not overwhelm our hospitals and medical personnel. Those people deserve some relief.

Anyone who pays attention has known for weeks that a huge portion of the population will be infected eventually. Glad you finally realized that. Do you know how many old people are in Florida between November and May?

Family members mingling on the beach and elsewhere can wipe out a lot of grandpas.

 

[Veerman_12]

The point of the lockdown is 2 fold.

1. Protect the most vulnerable
2. To not overwhelm our hospitals and medical personnel. Those people deserve some relief.

Anyone who pays attention has known for weeks that a huge portion of the population will be infected eventually. Glad you finally realized that. Do you know how many old people are in Florida between November and May?

Family members mingling on the beach and elsewhere can wipe out a lot of grandpas.

Yeah the hospitals look "overwhelmed" making tik tok videos. My sister in law is a nurse and she and most of the nurses at her hospital have been furloughed or only work every other week.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

The point of the lockdown is 2 fold.

1. Protect the most vulnerable
2. To not overwhelm our hospitals and medical personnel. Those people deserve some relief.

Anyone who pays attention has known for weeks that a huge portion of the population will be infected eventually. Glad you finally realized that. Do you know how many old people are in Florida between November and May?

Family members mingling on the beach and elsewhere can wipe out a lot of grandpas.

They have the freedom and most the financial means to stay home. So let them!

 

[you_dont_know_me]

The most vulnerable can protect themselves. You assume the government needs to overrule the freedom of people.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

It isn’t all or nothing. 99% of hospitals aren’t even close to full

 

[millerbleach]

It isn’t all or nothing. 99% of hospitals aren’t even close to full

Springfield hospitals are pretty much ghost towns, especially the covid floors. Most nurses and doctors haven't worked in weeks.

 

[Stop n Go]

Springfield hospitals are pretty much ghost towns, especially the covid floors. Most nurses and doctors haven't worked in weeks.

No no no. This can’t be true. CNN told Duck that they are overwhelmed.

 

[Arkansas_Laserback]

Why are they empty? Because we shut down and stayed home. Denial is not a river.

 

[Arkansas_Laserback]

I just love crybabies who are unwilling to sacrifice anything for their countrymen but call themselves patriots.

 

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

The most vulnerable can protect themselves. You assume the government needs to overrule the freedom of people.

This.

45% of the cases in the country and over half the deaths have been in the NYC metro. The rest of the country minus a few hot spots can use reasonable precautions.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Why are they empty? Because we shut down and stayed home. Denial is not a river.

But if they are empty, and we are all going to get it anyways...

This isn’t saving lives versus losing lives... neither option is 100% ideal.

If there are 80X the infections than reported, mathematically, what does that mean to the death rate?

How is Sweden doing?

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I just love crybabies who are unwilling to sacrifice anything for their countrymen but call themselves patriots.

What is this strawman?

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Possibly productive question: Duck/lazer/stable/pigg....

How would you do it?

What would be your goal? How long would you want Americans in lock down?

And what will be the cost of that. I’m genuinely listening.

 

[Arkansas_Laserback]

I have done a lot of reading, watching, and listening on this topic. And I am glad I am not in charge. This thing is going to be around making people sick until there is a vaccine. Period.

Can you prohibit people from traveling between states? Counties?

You can be tested on Friday and become infected at a football game on Friday night or in church Sunday morning.

If you are a grandparent do you want to go
months and months without hugging your
grandkids? If you have an elderly parent living alone, do you want to stay away from them for months and months?

How do you take 6 groups of 30 students to the weight room for workouts without spreading germs out the butt? They aren’t going to wipe it down well enough every period. You going to wipe down the locker room every period?

The most popular restaurant in my town is a buffet at the end of my road. Do you see yourself ever eating at a buffet again?

How can we cram 70,000 people into a Chiefs game given the current status? You going to tailgate?

This is going to change the way we live. At least until the vaccine is everywhere. There are a lot of different questions to be answered and we have to customize the answers for every location and situation.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I have done a lot of reading, watching, and listening on this topic. And I am glad I am not in charge. This thing is going to be around making people sick until there is a vaccine. Period.

Can you prohibit people from traveling between states? Counties?

You can be tested on Friday and become infected at a football game on Friday night or in church Sunday morning.

If you are a grandparent do you want to go
months and months without hugging your
grandkids? If you have an elderly parent living alone, do you want to stay away from them for months and months?

How do you take 6 groups of 30 students to the weight room for workouts without spreading germs out the butt? They aren’t going to wipe it down well enough every period. You going to wipe down the locker room every period?

The most popular restaurant in my town is a buffet at the end of my road. Do you see yourself ever eating at a buffet again?

How can we cram 70,000 people into a Chiefs game given the current status? You going to tailgate?

This is going to change the way we live. At least until the vaccine is everywhere. There are a lot of different questions to be answered and we have to customize the answers for every location and situation.

Do you think social distancing gets us to the point where we see older people sooner?

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Do you think social distancing gets us to the point where we see older people sooner?

I’m also not saying fling the gates wide open at arrowhead. I don’t think most people are. I agree every situation and scenario is different. What are your thoughts on Sweden?

And, where does individual freedom come in?

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I do see myself at ballgames and a buffet again. And shaking hands.

 

[Arkansas_Laserback]

Social distancing works, but goes against human nature and the need for contact and love from your fellow man. You have to be the most disciplined brother on the planet to stick to the rules for months and months. Not gunna happen for most people.

 

[Veerman_12]

I have done a lot of reading, watching, and listening on this topic. And I am glad I am not in charge. This thing is going to be around making people sick until there is a vaccine. Period.

Can you prohibit people from traveling between states? Counties?

You can be tested on Friday and become infected at a football game on Friday night or in church Sunday morning.

If you are a grandparent do you want to go
months and months without hugging your
grandkids? If you have an elderly parent living alone, do you want to stay away from them for months and months?

How do you take 6 groups of 30 students to the weight room for workouts without spreading germs out the butt? They aren’t going to wipe it down well enough every period. You going to wipe down the locker room every period?

The most popular restaurant in my town is a buffet at the end of my road. Do you see yourself ever eating at a buffet again?

How can we cram 70,000 people into a Chiefs game given the current status? You going to tailgate?

This is going to change the way we live. At least until the vaccine is everywhere. There are a lot of different questions to be answered and we have to customize the answers for every location and situation.

The only thing it will change in the long term is (hopefully) personal hygiene.

People will still do thing that will make them more susceptible to illness
-age (cant change that)
-smoke/drink/use drugs
-eat like garbage, you bet Golden Corral will be packed within 3 months of quarantine being lifted.

People aren't going to change their habits. Texting and driving, drinking and driving is KNOWN to cause in increased likelihood of an accident, people still do it.

Unfortunately people die. They die from all kinds of things. If you KNOW you're susceptible, make the changes necessary to protect yourself. If not, people are going to just carry on.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

We have been granted freedom to effectively destroy ourselves in so many areas mentioned above.. and including every other viral infection on the planet... why now is this the line? (just my reasoning)

 

[Veerman_12]

Social distancing works, but goes against human nature and the need for contact and love from your fellow man. You have to be the most disciplined brother on the planet to stick to the rules for months and months. Not gunna happen for most people.

Not only that, but if you'd done as much reading as you claim to have, you'd know either a vaccine OR herd immunity through exposure is what will end this.

People who social distance TOO well are just lengthening the amount of time quarantine is necessary.

 

[Stable_Genius]

This.

45% of the cases in the country and over half the deaths have been in the NYC metro. The rest of the country minus a few hot spots can use reasonable precautions.

And 9-11 just killed folks out East. Was that not a big deal either?

 

[Veerman_12]

And 9-11 just killed folks out East. Was that not a big deal either?

Apples and oranges.

 

[Arkansas_Laserback]

Excellent summary

 

[Arkansas_Laserback]

I have read plenty and if you had you would know If we had gone with the ”herd immunity” method we would have lost millions instead of less than 100,000 as is now projected. That was never a real option.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

lazer/stable.... I'm not trying to argue here. I wanted to hear what you want us to do?

What do you think the state of Missouri should do going forward? (I know you said every situation is different) ...so lets exclude st.louis and kc.

It's easy for ALL OF US to be critical of the way leadership does anything, but what do you think we should do differently than what is being done?

And where does personal freedom lie in this situation?

 

[kaskaskiakid]

arkansas, 100% agree on the near future prognosis until we have a vaccine. We still aren't 100% sure the infectious rate will die off over the summer, but experts I have heard say it will definitely be back next flu season, and remember we didn't get hit this year until the second half of normal flu season.

Prudent people will still avoid unnecessary risks, wreckless people will flaunt their noses at "recommendations". Hot spots will continue to pop up. Areas will be put back under "stay at home orders". STL and KC are no where near removing "stay at home orders" We are not going to see "normal" until we have a vaccine and it is readily available for the entire population. Until then, each county is going to have to determine what level of "opening up" they are going to allow, with the possibility that restrictions could change at any time.

It's too early to predict if large crowd events will take place any time soon, If kids are statistically very low risk, I expect we will allow things like sports to resume by mid summer with a heavy emphasis on washing hands (and maybe back to mandatory showers after practice). I think at some point if the area you are living in is at low infection levels, we have to let kids be kids and play together. Sure hope so........

But agree, we could be right back in this situation next Nov when normal flu season begins.

I know nothing about how vaccines are developed, but how do experts know we are still a year to 1 1/2 yrs from having a vaccine. I get they have to test it. But how do they know it won't be sooner? Or longer than 1 1/2 yrs?

 

[Distancefix]

They had 1413 new cases of the Rona yesterday. It was their biggest jump. AND........the governor opened the beaches back up.

Don’t tell me not to laugh at Trump worshipers going down.

Like Sweden expected a spike, so does Florida.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

If Americans think loosening restrictions won't mean a rise in cases, they are wrong...and probably need to stay bunkered up. Of course it's going to go up... but is that a bad thing overall? Looking at updated statistics..it's way more widespread and way less lethal than we thought.

Man I hope we don't do this same procedure the next time some bug comes our way.

 

[Stable_Genius]

Staggered school days?
A lot more online education, which I hate.

Pay substitute teachers a hell of a lot more.

Restaurants with 6 feet between tables, reservations only? waiters wearing masks and gloves? Disposable menus?

No crowds at sporting events?

How you going to make manufacturing and food processing plants safe?

more robotics everywhere.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Pay substitute teachers a hell of a lot more

Trump reduced funding for education, tax breaks for wealthy were more important.

 

[Veerman_12]

Trump reduced funding for education, tax breaks for wealthy were more important.

Typical public school is nothing more than a government babysitting service anyway.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Staggered school days?
A lot more online education, which I hate.

Pay substitute teachers a hell of a lot more.

Restaurants with 6 feet between tables, reservations only? waiters wearing masks and gloves? Disposable menus?

No crowds at sporting events?

How you going to make manufacturing and food processing plants safe?

more robotics everywhere.

You act like we have to change how we do everything forever. That’s not true.

 

[Stable_Genius]

Ok. August 2020 to December 2020. How you going to handle the schools? Timmy tests positive for the Rona. Does everyone on bus 11 and in classroom 23 get quarantined for 14 days?

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Timmy won’t die, nor statistically will any other little kid.

But, we would treat it the same as the flu!

 

[Stable_Genius]

Timmy won’t die, nor statistically will any other little kid.

But, we would treat it the same as the flu!

what about Timmy’s bus driver, teacher, special classes teachers, and cafeteria workers?

 

[Veerman_12]

what about Timmy’s bus driver, teacher, special classes teachers, and cafeteria workers?

We shouldn't allow people to drive. It'll save lives.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

what about Timmy’s bus driver, teacher, special classes teachers, and cafeteria workers?

If they are in the less than .2% they can quit and stay home!