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Fan Strike, until MU football players acknowledge "priviledge" to free education

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As an embarrased MU fan, I choose to boycott being a fan until each of those scholarship football players acknowledges their "priviledge" regardless of race to get a free or discounted college education. Most of the kids around them either go in debt 100k or their parents cover. Embarrasing to watch this display. This will not end here and will continue to be a bigger issue moving forward.
 
I hope I'm wrong about this - but if the football team's boycott wouldn't have cost the school so much $$$ - the prez wouldn't have resigned and the grad student - had he gone through with the food strike - he'd be dead by now...
 
Just so many ways they could have gone about this, Pinkel says he is a leader, but true leaders are shown during tough times. They could have worn shirts raising awareness during the next game or other avenues that got the message out other than taking it to the extreme. They supported a group that wanted a man regardless of color to acknowledge his "white male priviledge" that allowed him in his position. Not the years of hard work, doctorate, etc. This group is no better than the ones they are fighting. Pinkel then made it about the student on the hunger strike during his press conference, really? I don't think anyone on the planet wanted this kid to die, please help me explain how the firing of two guys had anything to do with that? The whole thing is embarrasing on a national scale and in the end did nothing for race relations in Columbia.
 
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Good read is questionable. Hardly buy this.

Players within the locker room want to see third-stringer Marvin Zanders get snaps behind center. Zanders is black. His lack of playing time is a divisive issue inside the Mizzou locker room, according to a source, and a symptom of larger concerns related to the treatment of black players.


Sorry but that is BS. Do the names Brad Smith, and James Franklin mean anything? Pinkel has shown he not afraid to play a quarterback of color.

Even more importantly less than two years ago the Mizzou Football program was celebrated for the way they handled Michael Sam, a black, gay, student athlete. All we heard was how wonderful the Mizzou family was when Sam came out as a black, gay, student athlete.

I think Pinkel has shown over his tenure he not afraid to play and embrace student athletes of color, and different sexual orientation. I call BS on this.
 
I hope I'm wrong about this - but if the football team's boycott wouldn't have cost the school so much $$$ - the prez wouldn't have resigned and the grad student - had he gone through with the food strike - he'd be dead by now...
What issue? And if Jonathan Butler decided not to eat, and subsequently die, that's his choice. I look at it no different than suicide. The one, and only, reason race was injected into this, was it was absolutely the only way to get traction and attention. But lets not confuse isolated bigotry (which is exactly what Butler described in his interview) with rampant oppression. And lets also not forget, had Jonathan Butler been allowed to starve to death, that decision would have solely been his.
 
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loved it when during the players/coaches boycott strike they showed video of them coming out of the athletic facilities carrying big overflowing bowls of ice cream.
 
Just so many ways they could have gone about this, Pinkel says he is a leader, but true leaders are shown during tough times. They could have worn shirts raising awareness during the next game or other avenues that got the message out other than taking it to the extreme. They supported a group that wanted a man regardless of color to acknowledge his "white male priviledge" that allowed him in his position. Not the years of hard work, doctorate, etc. This group is no better than the ones they are fighting. Pinkel then made it about the student on the hunger strike during his press conference, really? I don't think anyone on the planet wanted this kid to die, please help me explain how the firing of two guys had anything to do with that? The whole thing is embarrasing on a national scale and in the end did nothing for race relations in Columbia.
Pinkel said he tried to get them to consider other ways to show support. They weren't listening. That wasn't a good thing for him and the program I didn't think. He basically had no influence over them. He had no choice but to appear to be in total support of their actions. If he doesn't show support he looses what he has left of the locker room and is immediately label racist. He tried to remove himself from the effort to get Wolfe out by pushing the agenda of trying to save the kid on hunger strike. GP was backed into a corner and was trying to save as much face and show as much solidarity within the program as possible. From the sounds of it that may not be what's actually going on.

The whole football involvement and possible team issues are a direct result of the team being bad this year. They were a united brotherhood the last couple years when things were going well. Funny how winning cures all but losing creates issues.
 
What issue? And if Jonathan Butler decided not to eat, and subsequently die, that's his choice. I look at it no different than suicide. The one, and only, reason race was injected into this, was it was absolutely the only way to get traction and attention. But lets not confuse isolated bigotry (which is exactly what Butler described in his interview) with rampant oppression. And lets also not forget, had Jonathan Butler been allowed to starve to death, that decision would have solely been his.
Exactly. Butler wasn't getting the attention he craved with just the grad student complaints. When all else fails bring up race. That'll get results every time.
 
What issue? And if Jonathan Butler decided not to eat, and subsequently die, that's his choice. I look at it no different than suicide. The one, and only, reason race was injected into this, was it was absolutely the only way to get traction and attention. But lets not confuse isolated bigotry (which is exactly what Butler described in his interview) with rampant oppression. And lets also not forget, had Jonathan Butler been allowed to starve to death, that decision would have solely been his.
Here, here!

If I put a gun to my head and say "I will shoot myself if President Obama doesn't resign!", they would just call in a hostage negotiator, talk me off the ledge, and then throw me in the looney bin! (Why not this guy!)

Even more telling: If an ISIS terrorist holds a machete to someone's throat and says on camera "I will cut the throat of this infidel if President Obama doesn't resign!", the response from the US government would be "we do not negotiate with terrorists"...

(...seems to me that so many of these so called "change agents" in this country are inching closer and closer to being nothing more than terrorists in their own right...)

Call me crazy if you want...
 
Pinkel said he tried to get them to consider other ways to show support. They weren't listening. That wasn't a good thing for him and the program I didn't think. He basically had no influence over them. He had no choice but to appear to be in total support of their actions. If he doesn't show support he looses what he has left of the locker room and is immediately label racist. He tried to remove himself from the effort to get Wolfe out by pushing the agenda of trying to save the kid on hunger strike. GP was backed into a corner and was trying to save as much face and show as much solidarity within the program as possible. From the sounds of it that may not be what's actually going on.

The whole football involvement and possible team issues are a direct result of the team being bad this year. They were a united brotherhood the last couple years when things were going well. Funny how winning cures all but losing creates issues.
Agreed, GP went about it about the only way he could, at least from the standpoint of trying to minimize damage. I really don't think there was anything else he could do. Only other option is to "no comment" your way through it. And I don't think that would've done any better.
 
Sorry but that is BS. Do the names Brad Smith, and James Franklin mean anything? Pinkel has shown he not afraid to play a quarterback of color.

Even more importantly less than two years ago the Mizzou Football program was celebrated for the way they handled Michael Sam, a black, gay, student athlete. All we heard was how wonderful the Mizzou family was when Sam came out as a black, gay, student athlete.

I think Pinkel has shown over his tenure he not afraid to play and embrace student athletes of color, and different sexual orientation. I call BS on this.

But then you are applying a reasonable logical argument, that's never been what this is about.

Anyone surprised that Claire McCaskill's intern is one of the ringleaders?
 
1. Racism can not be that bad on campus if GP only has heard about maybe 3 instances in his years there.
2. I DO NOT buy that when GP said the players have never seen a man dying and had tears in their eyes when telling him that. There are soooooo many homeless people in Columbia the players have to see traveling to and from practice every single day! Has one of the players, or even GP, or the young men starting all this mess ever stopped to ask if they needed any food or shelter? I bet not.
3. You want to make a statement, tackle that issue! MAKE A DIFFERENCE THERE! That would be the first place to helping the community.
4. Mr. Kinder has my vote for any office that he runs for too
 
If I put a gun to my head and say "I will shoot myself if President Obama doesn't resign!", they would just call in a hostage negotiator, talk me off the ledge, and then throw me in the looney bin! (Why not this guy!)
Sounds like you are crazy! You already have a gun to your head, why do you need to be on a ledge too? Is this the ledge of a window in the basement????
 
As an embarrased MU fan, I choose to boycott being a fan until each of those scholarship football players acknowledges their "priviledge" regardless of race to get a free or discounted college education. Most of the kids around them either go in debt 100k or their parents cover. Embarrasing to watch this display. This will not end here and will continue to be a bigger issue moving forward.

The 1950 racist group demanded that Wolfe acknowledge his "White Male Privelege." Yes...M. WHO? (they are on IGNORE.)
 
I don't trust gp, if he said this is not our fight, you can do what you want as a student, but as a team we worry about our game this Saturday then this may not of happened, they are acting like they changed the world, although it will be a good excuse to say they were to busy thinking about the kid not eating and that is why they lost the game, I try to look at things from other angles, like the black coaches association, if we had a white coaches association people would be in a up roar
 
I don't trust gp, if he said this is not our fight, you can do what you want as a student, but as a team we worry about our game this Saturday then this may not of happened, they are acting like they changed the world, although it will be a good excuse to say they were to busy thinking about the kid not eating and that is why they lost the game, I try to look at things from other angles, like the black coaches association, if we had a white coaches association people would be in a up roar

That has always been the case. My fraternity made national news for a chicken and 40's party, which had black members of the football team and track team there. This was the start of Facebook. Poor decision in hindsight of course. But it was a party that had been thrown for 10 years previous(And a lot of misinformation passed around) One person complained. News got wind of it(sent KCTV's lone black reporter at the time of course). Bam kicked off campus, treated as criminals and our lively hood threatened by the University and Fraternity. Which a lot of it now seems pretty shady after being the wiser. We had a petition signed by a large melting pot of UCM's finest students to let us back on and they said no in fear of the minority/media repercussion.

Mean while it was ok for ALL Black fraternities(we were not allowed to turn away because of race) to hold "black out parties" or "Uncle Tom" parties IN DORM ROOMS. You switch that around, and you think those parties would happen?
 
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The 1950 racist group demanded that Wolfe acknowledge his "White Male Privelege." Yes...M. WHO? (they are on IGNORE.)

Interesting point. Johnathan Butler the kid on the hunger strike. Demanded that Wolfe be fired and acknowledge his white male privilege.

Anyone know his dad is an executive with Union Pacific and has a net worth of over $20 million. Now good for his father for succeeding in life. I applaud him.

However I find it hard to believe a child of someone who is worth $20 million has no privileges. Not buying it at all. He may have been the victim of racism, and that is unacceptable. $20 million can get you a lot of privileges that most on this board will never experience, such as education for example.
 
I never knew there could be this many Hoosiers outside of Indiana. This thread is exactly what those kids have to deal with.
This state is an embarrassment.
 
I never knew there could be this many Hoosiers outside of Indiana. This thread is exactly what those kids have to deal with.
This state is an embarrassment.
THIS is exactly what they have to deal with???

Please tell us, oh self righteous one, what was said in this thread that's worth starving to death over (better yet, please point out any racism in this thread whatsoever...)

...you wanna talk about privilege! OMG!
 
As an embarrased MU fan, I choose to boycott being a fan until each of those scholarship football players acknowledges their "priviledge" regardless of race to get a free or discounted college education. Most of the kids around them either go in debt 100k or their parents cover. Embarrasing to watch this display. This will not end here and will continue to be a bigger issue moving forward.
I'm going. Tickets for less has tickets on sale for half price at BYU game. Go Tigers!
 
Just so many ways they could have gone about this, Pinkel says he is a leader, but true leaders are shown during tough times. They could have worn shirts raising awareness during the next game or other avenues that got the message out other than taking it to the extreme. They supported a group that wanted a man regardless of color to acknowledge his "white male priviledge" that allowed him in his position. Not the years of hard work, doctorate, etc. This group is no better than the ones they are fighting. Pinkel then made it about the student on the hunger strike during his press conference, really? I don't think anyone on the planet wanted this kid to die, please help me explain how the firing of two guys had anything to do with that? The whole thing is embarrasing on a national scale and in the end did nothing for race relations in Columbia.
Pinkel handled it OK. IE PRESS CONFERENCE " he said we have a lot of problems on campus ( he said nothing specific), and we're going to fix them". The classic football coach answer.( like if we train harder we will get improved results). He only said what he knows, and ultimately is about maintaining the peace.
He could have owned more of the stance. Perhaps he feared for his job, the benefactor's, the cash cow, or he could've really agreed with the players and was afraid. He could've manned up more, yes Guys, he was on campus at KENT STATE during the shootings and riots, he knows the powder keg that could happen. This is a man that supported Sam's as best he could. He's not stupid. He Just gave stupid answers to get through this crap and get it over with
Perhaps saying anything more would've made the University Of Missouri look worse. Let's be honest, it's very uncomfortable. I've listened to Sirius XM and local 810 all day. Heard the country speak on phone calls, listened to the hosts Outside the lines, Border Patrol, Jack Arute etc...There are different opinions about Pinkel, some harsh like your post, some supportive. All are not bad. Each caller and host agreed he had no choice but to support his black players if he wanted to continue coaching and keep some sense of order. Some say he should of used this opportunity to become a stronger advocate for change. Instead, he was the classic tactician playing both sides of the fence. Dude, the president knew of the cotton balls and swastika's, sophomoric metaphore. The perps just picked on the wrong dude. I'm not sure I would've done it differently.
 
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I bet they get cheaper as the week goes on.
Good. But I'm a Missouri Fan. Raised in good ole MO. I'm gonna support them. My Dad went MU Grad school held a job got a graduate degree, he washed dishes for work study in 1960-62. My mother worked in the business office in good old Columbia. My neice sang the national anthem at Graduation in 2013. This ain't going to ruin anything. This too shall pass.
 
Good read is questionable. Hardly buy this.

Players within the locker room want to see third-stringer Marvin Zanders get snaps behind center. Zanders is black. His lack of playing time is a divisive issue inside the Mizzou locker room, according to a source, and a symptom of larger concerns related to the treatment of black players.
That's an awesome read by whitlock!
 
On the other hand, This is my favorite paragraph of article "You should be ashamed of yourself, Mizzou. This is what happens when today's delicate flower children grow up believing that college should be a place where no one ever says anything to make them sad and those of you on campus with working brains don't stand up and call them out for being pathetic losers." Of course it's from Foxsports.
 
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Good. But I'm a Missouri Fan. Raised in good ole MO. I'm gonna support them. My Dad went MU Grad school held a job got a graduate degree, he washed dishes for work study in 1960-62. My mother worked in the business office in good old Columbia. My neice sang the national anthem at Graduation in 2013. This ain't going to ruin anything. This too shall pass.

I am too. Had season tickets from 2000-2010. Only reason I got rid of them was because my son started playing college football so my Saturday's were shot for the last 5 years. I would be there Saturday as well but it's senior day. I was just stating I bet they would be cheaper later in the week.
 
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Runny, why the guilt? I love all of gods creatures until deer/turkey season or you try to rob/take my life
 
What issue? And if Jonathan Butler decided not to eat, and subsequently die, that's his choice. I look at it no different than suicide. The one, and only, reason race was injected into this, was it was absolutely the only way to get traction and attention. But lets not confuse isolated bigotry (which is exactly what Butler described in his interview) with rampant oppression. And lets also not forget, had Jonathan Butler been allowed to starve to death, that decision would have solely been his.
Ok, I'm not following you. Are you denying that racism is not an issue on the campus of MU?Was not the issue a race issue? Did he make it up? Please explain. Is he just a tard that cried wolf misinformed and warped by the PC flower children? He described indifference by the admin.I don't care if it was an isolated incident, if this kid came forward with evidence that should have involved the admin attention, then why didn't they act? Most people in public schools do. However rediculous this thing is, Wolfe could have prevented the situation by investigating. Mellennials are coddled constituents, why not understand the gravity of this before it came to this. The only reason the issue came to conclusion was the football team, right?
 
give me a break, quit giving excuses for babies, when these college kids get out and find they can't get a job then think tax payers should pay their debt, which is what is coming around, that is good old life kicking you in the nads,
 
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give me a break, quit giving excuses for babies, when these college kids get out and find they can't get a job then think tax payers should pay their debt, which is what is coming around, that is good old life kicking you in the nads,
 
I hope I'm wrong about this - but if the football team's boycott wouldn't have cost the school so much $$$ - the prez wouldn't have resigned and the grad student - had he gone through with the food strike - he'd be dead by now...

If he had ever really began the hunger strike. Butler is a 26 year old grad student from a family worth an estimated 20mil. Sounds like privilege to me.
 
give me a break, quit giving excuses for babies, when these college kids get out and find they can't get a job then think tax payers should pay their debt, which is what is coming around, that is good old life kicking you in the nads,
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I agree, they don't live in the real world. Take your hunger strike and try to keep a job. I ask though, why is a college education so expensive? why do students have accumulate so much debt. The cost is astronomical.
 
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