"Stay the course," Martin said when asked for his message after lopsided loss to Kansas and now Illinois. "We will continue to get better. We will continue to grow."
Cuonzo, Cuonzo, Cuonzo
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This will be his 5th season and unless the seas part and a conference miracle occurs, it'll be his last. It's unfortunate because he is an above average recruiter and from the outside looking in, a good human being. But as a former boss once told me: "The woods are full of good ol' boys, this is business".
So, if you're the new Mizzou AD, who's on your short list? Kim English's name will pop up first and it should. However, this is his first season at James Madison and I don't see him leaving so soon. The "true son" qualification? He's about the only one that would check that box and after the Kim Anderson/Barry Odom debacles, I don't think the next coach needs to be an alum.
Do you go after a hot shot assistant coach like (ahem) Quin Snyder when Norm stepped down? Or dangle money in front of someone with a sorrid past like Rick Pitino? Do you look at a coach from the D2 level that's ready to take the next step? SEC basketball isn't quite the pressure cooker that SEC football is, but it's still an arms race and right now we're getting ready to take a pea shooter into a gun fight.
Lot of questions I'm sure are being kicked around on Stadium Drive in Columbia this morning and where to proceed from here. But I'd love to hear some candidate names from the crowd. Out
So, if you're the new Mizzou AD, who's on your short list? Kim English's name will pop up first and it should. However, this is his first season at James Madison and I don't see him leaving so soon. The "true son" qualification? He's about the only one that would check that box and after the Kim Anderson/Barry Odom debacles, I don't think the next coach needs to be an alum.
Do you go after a hot shot assistant coach like (ahem) Quin Snyder when Norm stepped down? Or dangle money in front of someone with a sorrid past like Rick Pitino? Do you look at a coach from the D2 level that's ready to take the next step? SEC basketball isn't quite the pressure cooker that SEC football is, but it's still an arms race and right now we're getting ready to take a pea shooter into a gun fight.
Lot of questions I'm sure are being kicked around on Stadium Drive in Columbia this morning and where to proceed from here. But I'd love to hear some candidate names from the crowd. Out
Kim English is at George Mason, not James Madison. And he’s 7 and freaking 5 in his first 12 games. He’s done nothing, from a head coaching perspective, to get the MU job. If he hadn’t played at MU his name wouldn’t even be mentioned. Recent history should tell MU that’s a bad idea.
For the record, I don’t get the Cuonzo is an above average recruiter. If he were, MU wouldn’t be so awful. They don’t have a scheme problem, they have a huge talent problem. LOFT is a real thing for the Tigers right now. With the portal, it shouldn’t be hard to put together a team that can compete. He essentially put together a roster of borderline good low major guys and 3 star frosh. And what he’s got is a halfway decent OVC team probably. All for the bargain basement price of about $4M.
I suggest they hire Marcus Belcher..........C =|~
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While I didn't expect anything special from Cuonzo I certainly didn't expect one of the worst teams in all of D1. He's been mostly competitive everywhere he's been and I expected middle of the road results here. But then he's never been anywhere this long either. It almost seems he's checked out and ready for another change. It happened halfway through last year. It's been off a cliff since then.
a few I have read as potential candidates to replace Cuonzo Martin in addition to English GM and Pitino IONA;
alphabetical
John Becker, VT
Keyon Dooling, Utah Jazz player development
Larry Drew, LAC assistant
Kevin Keatts, NCState
Bruce Marshall, former Wichita State
Ben McCollum NWMO
Niko Medved COState
Archie Miller, was IN
Sean Miller, was AZ
most of the names listed above have been mentioned on tigerboard.
other possible options? Most have at least five years of head coaching experience with their present school.
Blake Ahearn, Memphis Grizzlies assistant coach
Clayton, DeSmet Jesuit, Austin Spurs NBA DLeague
Brad Brownell, Clemson
Brian Dutcher, San Diego State
Eran Ganot, HI
Ray Harper, Jacksonville State
Ben Jacobson, UNI
Chris Jans, NM State
Jeff Jones, ODU
Eric Konkol, LA Tech
Kyle Keller, SFA
Grant McCasland, UNT
Greg McDermott, Creighton
Matt McMahon, Murray State
Ritchie McKay, Liberty
Chris Mooney, Richmond
Scott Nagy, Wright State
Kevin Ollie, CT show cause ends 07.02.22
Joe Pasternack, UC Santa Barbara
Bob Richey, Furman
Rick Stansbury, WKY
Kevin Willard, Seton Hall
or if Missouri wants to hire another former Missouri State head coach; Steve Alford is HC at NV, Barry Hinson is an analyst for OK State, Paul Lusk is an assistant for Purdue.
alphabetical
John Becker, VT
Keyon Dooling, Utah Jazz player development
Larry Drew, LAC assistant
Kevin Keatts, NCState
Bruce Marshall, former Wichita State
Ben McCollum NWMO
Niko Medved COState
Archie Miller, was IN
Sean Miller, was AZ
most of the names listed above have been mentioned on tigerboard.
other possible options? Most have at least five years of head coaching experience with their present school.
Blake Ahearn, Memphis Grizzlies assistant coach
Clayton, DeSmet Jesuit, Austin Spurs NBA DLeague
Brad Brownell, Clemson
Brian Dutcher, San Diego State
Eran Ganot, HI
Ray Harper, Jacksonville State
Ben Jacobson, UNI
Chris Jans, NM State
Jeff Jones, ODU
Eric Konkol, LA Tech
Kyle Keller, SFA
Grant McCasland, UNT
Greg McDermott, Creighton
Matt McMahon, Murray State
Ritchie McKay, Liberty
Chris Mooney, Richmond
Scott Nagy, Wright State
Kevin Ollie, CT show cause ends 07.02.22
Joe Pasternack, UC Santa Barbara
Bob Richey, Furman
Rick Stansbury, WKY
Kevin Willard, Seton Hall
or if Missouri wants to hire another former Missouri State head coach; Steve Alford is HC at NV, Barry Hinson is an analyst for OK State, Paul Lusk is an assistant for Purdue.
Would love to see Ben McCollum get it and succeed. I've heard he won't leave Northwest for less than $2 mill. I'm guessing he would pull his best players and the other elite DII players from around country. The transfer portal would make it easier than when Anderson took over.
McCollum is a good coach but he'd need a lot more than D2 players to compete at the level Mizzou needs to. Recruiting is the biggest issue right now. You need some NBA type players to win in the SEC consistently because that's what you're playing against.
I’d rather quit the sport than hire another D2 coach. Hire a D2 coach and you get a bunch of D2 players. KA tried that and arguably turned in the worst three year stretch in Power 5 basketball in 40 years.
Literally.
KA won fewer games than Baylor did getting the death penalty after the Patrick Dennehy scandal.
There’s no rule that we have to field a basketball team. Just quit the sport or join the MIAA if we don’t have any better ideas than that.
Literally.
KA won fewer games than Baylor did getting the death penalty after the Patrick Dennehy scandal.
There’s no rule that we have to field a basketball team. Just quit the sport or join the MIAA if we don’t have any better ideas than that.
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don't you have to have a college degree to coach? I don't think Larry Drew has one, he would check a lot of boxes, not sure about the recruiting.
This was going to be an email about hiring Ben McCollum, see below, but then I read this recent article. I wasn't aware of how connected the AD is to Martin. Now I'm wondering if he even gets shown the door.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/sub...cle_ed3a7498-b6e3-551e-9da6-c4a85e32795b.html
I'd love to see the Pitino hire, but I don't see it happening . McCollum isn't a flash in the pan with one great year.
Don't think of McCollum as Anderson, think of him as Brian Kelly leaving Grand Valley State. He has chose to stay in Maryville, because family is the most important thing to him. He isn't Anderson. Much younger, three national championships with different players. Would have won a 4th in the Covid cancellation year and he just turned 40! He is getting D1 talent out of high school at this point. Besides being a good coach, you have to be pretty good at recruiting to get kids to pass on any type of DI school to play DII. I'm assuming he'd have no trouble getting high DI talent at Mizzou. Don't forget he is much younger than Kim Anderson and all the AAU kids know who he is in the four state area. If we are trying to rebuild Mizzou with the local recruits we've lost over the last 15 years, he'd be a lot better than old players who the kids have no idea who they are.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/sub...cle_ed3a7498-b6e3-551e-9da6-c4a85e32795b.html
I'd love to see the Pitino hire, but I don't see it happening . McCollum isn't a flash in the pan with one great year.
Don't think of McCollum as Anderson, think of him as Brian Kelly leaving Grand Valley State. He has chose to stay in Maryville, because family is the most important thing to him. He isn't Anderson. Much younger, three national championships with different players. Would have won a 4th in the Covid cancellation year and he just turned 40! He is getting D1 talent out of high school at this point. Besides being a good coach, you have to be pretty good at recruiting to get kids to pass on any type of DI school to play DII. I'm assuming he'd have no trouble getting high DI talent at Mizzou. Don't forget he is much younger than Kim Anderson and all the AAU kids know who he is in the four state area. If we are trying to rebuild Mizzou with the local recruits we've lost over the last 15 years, he'd be a lot better than old players who the kids have no idea who they are.
Thanks for making my point. The only example you could up with was a coach in a different sport — who left a D2 for Central Michigan. Kelly didn’t leave a D2 for a Power 5 job.
He put in his time at the D1 level — ten years —before landing the Notre Dane and LSU jobs.
Name some D2 coaches taking over a power 5 and having success then we can talk.
That would do it. But the conservative history of MU says they’d never go that route. Which, in part, probably has them where they are at currently.
If McCollum wants the MU job, and I have no clue if he does, he needs to take a low/mid major D1 job first. Prove that his offense really is as efficient as the numbers say it is. And that he can identify and get the players needed to successfully compete at the D1 level. At a low/mid major he could probably do that with his best NWMSU players and other elite D2 guys. Then MU could actually hire him, but they absolutely can’t now.
Yeah, we’re kinda finding out what low/mid major D1 guys (and probably D2) talent does at the P5 level. At least at that level with a below average skill development and poor strategical coach and staff.
Cuonzo is out for Wednesday night's conference match up in Lexington. The sacrificial lamb...err, I mean interim coach, is Cornell Mann. Anything better than a "second worst-ever" drubbing will be viewed as a moral victory. Per Mizzou beat writers, no players have tested positive, so far anyway. Out.
I like Martin. I actually don't think he is a bad coach, just not a great recruiter. Pinson at LSU, Smith at K-state, Love at NC, Numerous other st louis/ Missouri kids playing else where. What about Travis Ford at Mizzou?
I do think this will be it for Martin.
I do think this will be it for Martin.
As the Captain of the Titanic once said....."Full steam ahead"
Travis Ford at Mizzou brings back memories of the golden era. Doug Smith, Anthony Peeler. It says they went 26-6 that year before he went to Kentucky. He was part of the game with the famous Laettner shot.
Hearnes Center was always packed.
McCollum will get his D1 chance, when he is ready to take it. maybe Mizzou would be willing to take the chance on him. We have to remember, Mizzou maybe in P5 conference, but the men's bball program is not a p5 Job. we need to set our pride aside. We took a chance on Drink, and the jury is still out on him, but looking up for sure. The men's bball job is not at the level the football opening was.
McCollum's #2 player last year transferred to Creighton(9-3) for his SR year, is leading the team with 14.2 pts and 7.2 rbs / game.
I think it would be best for Mizzou if we could get mccollum after he went to a mid major, but im also afraid, we would miss our chance
https://www.midmajormadness.com/202...aa-tournament-candidate-division-i-basketball
McCollum's #2 player last year transferred to Creighton(9-3) for his SR year, is leading the team with 14.2 pts and 7.2 rbs / game.
I think it would be best for Mizzou if we could get mccollum after he went to a mid major, but im also afraid, we would miss our chance
https://www.midmajormadness.com/202...aa-tournament-candidate-division-i-basketball
"We will continue to get better. We will continue to grow."
Looks like his plan is working..... .. . C =|~
