Correct call?

[mosofan]

Saw this situation play out at a high school girls basketball game a few weeks ago. In the end, did the officials handle this situation correctly?

While in the act of shooting, a girl was fouled and the referees signaled two free throws. When the ladies lined up for the free throws, the official under the basket mistakenly signaled one shot. The shooter missed the first free throw, and one lady from the offensive team rebounded the missed free throw and put it in the basket, while everyone else was still standing along the lane. At this point, the official realized his mistake, the officials huddled up, did not award the basket to the offensive team, called a jump ball, and on the alternating possession, the defensive team was awarded the ball.

Was this the correct ruling in Missouri girls high school basketball? It seems to me that instead of calling a jump ball, the officials should have fixed their mistake by going ahead and awarding the second free throw. What would have been the correct way to handle this?

 

[TJ_DUB]

Saw this situation play out at a high school girls basketball game a few weeks ago. In the end, did the officials handle this situation correctly?

While in the act of shooting, a girl was fouled and the referees signaled two free throws. When the ladies lined up for the free throws, the official under the basket mistakenly signaled one shot. The shooter missed the first free throw, and one lady from the offensive team rebounded the missed free throw and put it in the basket, while everyone else was still standing along the lane. At this point, the official realized his mistake, the officials huddled up, did not award the basket to the offensive team, called a jump ball, and on the alternating possession, the defensive team was awarded the ball.

Was this the correct ruling in Missouri girls high school basketball? It seems to me that instead of calling a jump ball, the officials should have fixed their mistake by going ahead and awarding the second free throw. What would have been the correct way to handle this?

Shoot the second FT instead of basket or jump ball.

 

[mohsbballfan]

I'd have to dig into the rule book, but the correct ruling has to be to not count the rebound basket and shoot the second free throw. If play had continued for a little while and no one noticed, then I can understand not being able to go back and change it though.

 

[TJbigballa]

A jump ball, seriously? This is one of the 5 correctable errors. The rebound basket should be waived and they shoot the 2nd FT. A merited FT was not awarded and the clock should be stopped. Here is an easy power point.

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[Aboveitall]

These must have been worst refs around. Wow. Did the coach not call them out????? Its amazing just how ignorant some of these guys are. Were they...Joplin refs by chance??

 

[mosofan]

These must have been worst refs around. Wow. Did the coach not call them out????? Its amazing just how ignorant some of these guys are. Were they...Joplin refs by chance??

The coach did not call them out. The game was in the Joplin area, so probably were Joplin refs. It was a 15-20 point game so it didn't make any difference.

 

[mosofan]

Thank you for your answers. Verified that my line of thinking was correct. The jump ball call really floored me when it happened and made zero sense. Just glad it wasn't a close game where that call could have affected the outcome.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Thank you for your answers. Verified that my line of thinking was correct. The jump ball call really floored me when it happened and made zero sense. Just glad it wasn't a close game where that call could have affected the outcome.

But the score really shouldn’t matter. Handled wrong is handled wrong. I understand being glad it didn’t change inevitable final score .... but still.

 

[Greg Fortner]

These must have been worst refs around. Wow. Did the coach not call them out????? Its amazing just how ignorant some of these guys are. Were they...Joplin refs by chance??

We may have had the same refs at McCluer South Berkeley the other night

 

[MOpossum]

. If they can change their minds on the made basket they should have at least given the 2nd free throw.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Shoot the second free throw.

But a similar situation happened in a Kansas-Iowa State game 15 years ago. Iowa State was shooting 2 free throws. They shot the first and missed. Kansas rebounded and went down the other side and hit a 3. The refs got together and decided that (since it was Kansas) the 3 should count. Iowa State then shot the second free throw and then got the ball.



The ball should be dead after the first three throw and the second free throw should be shot. What happened in between does not matter. It is not just the right rule, it is common sense, but apparently there are some refs that haven't gotten the memo.

 

[341A]

I'm not sure of college but by NFHS rules this is correct. If both teams played the ball on the first miss then the basket scored can not be cancelled. If you are in the correctable error time frame you would then be able to shoot the freethrow and Iowa State would get the ball on POI since Kansas just made a 3. However if Iowa State had inbounded before the error was noticed it would be too late to correct as the ball would have become live for the second time. The problem with saying the officials don't having common sense is the rule doesn't use common sense. The officials have to follow the rule.

Shoot the second free throw.

But a similar situation happened in a Kansas-Iowa State game 15 years ago. Iowa State was shooting 2 free throws. They shot the first and missed. Kansas rebounded and went down the other side and hit a 3. The refs got together and decided that (since it was Kansas) the 3 should count. Iowa State then shot the second free throw and then got the ball.

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The ball should be dead after the first three throw and the second free throw should be shot. What happened in between does not matter. It is not just the right rule, it is common sense, but apparently there are some refs that haven't gotten the memo.

 

[341A]

In this case I believe the applied the wrong case book ruling. There is a case book about erroneous official information which leads to a alternating possession. However that is when the players are told it is two instead of 1-1 and one team only plays the ball. In this case since one team benefited from the erroneous information that activity can not be counted. Should shoot the second free throw. If both teams would have played the ball equally then it would have been a play on and if discovered in time would have shot the second free throw with the basket counting.

Saw this situation play out at a high school girls basketball game a few weeks ago. In the end, did the officials handle this situation correctly?

While in the act of shooting, a girl was fouled and the referees signaled two free throws. When the ladies lined up for the free throws, the official under the basket mistakenly signaled one shot. The shooter missed the first free throw, and one lady from the offensive team rebounded the missed free throw and put it in the basket, while everyone else was still standing along the lane. At this point, the official realized his mistake, the officials huddled up, did not award the basket to the offensive team, called a jump ball, and on the alternating possession, the defensive team was awarded the ball.

Was this the correct ruling in Missouri girls high school basketball? It seems to me that instead of calling a jump ball, the officials should have fixed their mistake by going ahead and awarding the second free throw. What would have been the correct way to handle this?

 

[HoopsTournament]

Then the rules don’t have common sense. If there are two free throws then it should be dead ball after the first one. The problem with playing it out is that some players know that it is two shots and are not playing like it is a live play. They may not be guarding a player shooting. Any other rule is assinine in that situation.

 

[341A]

I agree but the officials have to follow the rules. If one team does not play bc of erroneous information then the basket would not count. In the case of both teams playing it then the basket would count. The life of an official properly enforce the rules as written and get bashed by those that don't know the rules.

Then the rules don’t have common sense. If there are two free throws then it should be dead ball after the first one. The problem with playing it out is that some players know that it is two shots and are not playing like it is a live play. They may not be guarding a player shooting. Any other rule is assinine in that situation.