Confederate Flag
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Where was the political courage from people like Lindsey Graham on this issue prior to last week? It's not like your viewpoint on what the flag stands for should have been changed.
I'm not one to turn down good progress, so I'm glad to see the pressure, but, yeah, it's totally knee-jerk.
I'm not one to turn down good progress, so I'm glad to see the pressure, but, yeah, it's totally knee-jerk.
Who cares if it's knee jerk? It's something that should've been done a long time ago and it might actually get done now.
It's a good change if it goes away, yes. The whole reason the flag is all over the South is because whites got pissed in the middle of the 20th century and put the flags up as acts of defiance against the civil rights movement. Not exactly the sort of thing worth defending.
The United States hardly stands for the subjegation of an entire race too. Yes, what the government did to Indians during the days of Andrew Jackson is appalling. However, the government has attempted to rectify this wrong through land grants and recognition of tribal governments. The confederacy, on the other hand, largely seceded from the union and fought the civil war based on slavery. Heck, Mississippi just ratified The 13th amendment.
There's a marked difference between the confederacy and what it stood/stands for and the United States.
There's a marked difference between the confederacy and what it stood/stands for and the United States.
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Hold on a minute,,,,,,,,,,,,,There were slaves in America for about 100 years before the Confederate States of America even existed. Under that premise we should take down the flag of the United States and replace it with soething new shouldnt we??
Slavery existed under the flag of the UNited States for a lot longer time than the 5 years the COnfederate Battle Flag existed.
And would any of this have stopped the nine peope who got shot up at a Detroit birthday party from catching a bullet??
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That flag should have disappeared the moment the south lost. There is no flag that Americans should proudly fly or display but the American flag.
That being said, I can understand some people being proud of their ancestors for serving in combat during the civil war. I don't really think we can keep a private citizen from displaying said flag even though it is offensive to many.
On Govt. property though, that is a different story. It should not be displayed. We are the United States of America, why would we fly any other flag?
That being said, I can understand some people being proud of their ancestors for serving in combat during the civil war. I don't really think we can keep a private citizen from displaying said flag even though it is offensive to many.
On Govt. property though, that is a different story. It should not be displayed. We are the United States of America, why would we fly any other flag?
Gosh, if only someone fought under the US flag to end slavery. Perhaps an entire army of soldiers supporting a Union of the nation under a set of laws which ended slavery.
The flag went on the SC state house in 1962. It wasn't there to commemorate soldiers. It was put up as a sign of defiance against the civil rights movement and a reminder that Southern whites controlled the state.
As for the last point, that has nothing to do with anything, and we're all dumber for having read it.
Tell that to my Great Great grand mother who marched in the trail of tears after the United States a nation who proclaims to be "One nation under God" passed the Indian removal act. If we are going to go around erasing our history to suit all those who have been wronged. Then maybe we need to take Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill for all his dastardly deeds. You cannot pick and chose what you want to erase or change to suit you.
I was once told by a history professor if you go erasing all the bad things from our past you are insuring they will be repeated in the future.
It's not about erasing history, it's about saying that, gee, maybe governments shouldn't be in the business of glorifying symbols of racism?
No one is saying the flag should be banned or something like that, just that it's not appropriate for a governmental entity to fly the Confederate flag for reasons which have nothing to do with history? SC put the flag up as an affront to the civil rights movement, not for historical reasons.
For example, I look at the displays of the six flags in Texas, and I don't see why they would take the Confederate flag out of that. It's a historical display of nations which had sovereignty over Texas. It makes a point about Texas. That's it. They also air a more historically accurate flag and not the stars and bars.
No one is saying the flag should be banned or something like that, just that it's not appropriate for a governmental entity to fly the Confederate flag for reasons which have nothing to do with history? SC put the flag up as an affront to the civil rights movement, not for historical reasons.
For example, I look at the displays of the six flags in Texas, and I don't see why they would take the Confederate flag out of that. It's a historical display of nations which had sovereignty over Texas. It makes a point about Texas. That's it. They also air a more historically accurate flag and not the stars and bars.
I said what the government did to native Americans is appalling. I don't think taking Jackson off the $20 is inappropriate. But, the point remains that the United States had tried to make up for past mistakes and stands for a great deal more than subjegation. We shouldn't erase history, but we should delineate between America and the confederacy.
I agree but were do we start to draw the line. It is a flag of defeat?
I guess that just means "To the Victor go the Spoils" I mean you don't want to look to close at our history and what our flag has done. The United States was built on brutality, stealing, lying and exploitation by our government — it is truly impossible not to look threw our history and find somebody that our government has not oppressed at sometime within our own borders.
You can also look and find movements to make the country better at basically any point in time. The glass is half full, too. And a big part of how those advances were accomplished was through our governments taking action to rectify the wrongs.
I'm thinking Drop and his buddies might have owned a few items with the Stars and Bars on them. Since Missouri is such a traditional confederate stronghold. It's all about honoring tradition, you know, not racism or hate.
I have never understood the mindset of flying the conferderate flag or any offshoot of it in the UNITED STATES. I see zero good reason for it. I do though, support states rights over other states wishes. Freedom is a very messy thing but messy freedom beats any less messy form that restricts freedom. We continually give up freedoms in the name of civility and security. If SC wishes to fly a symbol of supporting slavery that is their right. That right also allows anyone to burn such a flag, boycott any place it hangs, and correctly show the purveyor of that flag to be at the best insensitive and at the worst racist.
Judging by your hate for the Jew I'm guessing you have a good source?
Well simpleton I have owned neither the "stars and bars flag" or the rebel flag everybody else is talking about. Then again I doubt you know what the hell I am talking about because you and bobby joe were playing tic tac toe in the back of history class.
Hang man. In history class, they don't mention that, that flag was reintroduced and became popular when the Civil Rights legislation was in the works to show all those "coloreds" that whites are superior. Also, share with us your knowledge of the race riot in your home town when most of the Blacks were driven out of the community.
Like most of your guesses, wrong again.
Same as your confederate flag. It's a sign of hate. It's everyone's right to have one but it's distasteful for what it represents.
Yep. And people and organizations have the right not to do business there because of it.
lol Well I guess we're all even then. Sainte Genevieve drove all of the "Blacks" out of town before my time. And the "Blacks" drove all of the whites out of Saint Louis in the 80's.
Veer pretty well put.
But when I think the rebel flag it takes me back to the late 70's and early 80's the General Lee and the Duke boys, along with Daisy Duke and her shorty shorts. Kind of makes me sad that I am hearing they are now going to pull the toy cars because of the flag on it...
http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/23/8836571/dukes-of-hazzard-car-toys-confederate-flag
Interesting read.
Whatever happens in South Carolina, the question from there is: What next? Not just when it comes to Mississippi and Virginia, and but also when it comes toLynyrd Skynyrd albums and old episodes of The Dukes of Hazzard and the fact that, as of this writing—and despite the company’s statement of future merchandise-yankings—sales of Confederate flags are trending upward on Amazon? How do you deal with a symbol that means so many different things, to so many different people? How do you “take down” a flag that has ceased to be a flag at all?
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...nfederate-flag-pop-culture-phenomenon/396596/
Same people that bought millions of guns when they thought guns were going to stop being sold.
I'd get rid of the Raiders as well as Vikings. After all the Vikings raped and burned villages. Then I say we ban anything to do with Crusaders. Then I say we get rid of Dragons, because it's silly and mythical.
All of this will make us a much better society.
And it will solve racism.
If only there were critical thinking skills that could be applied to this sort of thing to apply sensible judgments.
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