Class 3--take St. Mary's out of the mix--Who wins??

[65TPT]

St. Mary's is class based on enrollment. Had they not had their season ended due to Covid last year they would be class 4. They are already at 3 points now and will move up next season.

There is where we disagree. Public schools recruit just the same. Private schools are restricted to a 25
mile radius after initial enrollment in 9th grade. It acts just like a boundary. With the exception on Trinity closing (which most of those kids stayed in north St. Louis county) almost all of these kids are enrolling their freshman year.

St. Louis youth football is crazy good. The thing is most kids are going to go play some where as a group. It has way more to do with parents getting together and sending their kids to that same school. Going to private schools wasn't a thing until diseg ended.

Bottom line is public schools do it do. If you look and some of the more dominate public school (with Lamar being the exception) almost all are located just outside a much larger city.

Lets take school A for example. School a resides in a small town of just over 1800 people. This town i just outside of a city listed at just over 42,000. Now in the last 4 years town A has 5 state titles, 2 2nd places finishes, 3 3rd and 1 4th, along with 10 district titles in 5 different sports. Not that is simply amazing for a small school to be so good at everything.

Bottom line it is happening everywhere. Just pay attention.

Also, if you want to talk about the success of the other sports at Blair Oaks, I will gladly have that conversation. I can't speak of other areas, but I follow the Central MO area fairly close in all sports but mainly football and basketball. I'm not sure if you have any ties to the school or actually know anything about it. But they are made up of 4 small rural communities, not just the 1800 of Wardsville. I have my opinions on why I think they are successful and I will tell you it has nothing to do with recruiting.

Do you feel Lafayette County, Maryville, Monroe City etc. are really recruiting kids in the same fashion as STL Privates? I personally like privates still playing against public and don't have a complaint because as a competitor I would want to play the best teams, not separate them. But please don't sit here and say that it's happening everywhere and that public schools do it just as much.

 

[Stag101]

With a healthy Chase Fallert at QB for Valle, they are the #2 team in the state. The rest is up for debate.

 

[Herman.Boone]

Most likely Pius

I think Pius may have it more difficult now that their stud MLB is out.

 

[Nooner 5656]

I think Pius may have it more difficult now that their stud MLB is out.

what if he isn't out?

 

[503_Maple]

Also, if you want to talk about the success of the other sports at Blair Oaks, I will gladly have that conversation. I can't speak of other areas, but I follow the Central MO area fairly close in all sports but mainly football and basketball. I'm not sure if you have any ties to the school or actually know anything about it. But they are made up of 4 small rural communities, not just the 1800 of Wardsville. I have my opinions on why I think they are successful and I will tell you it has nothing to do with recruiting.

Do you feel Lafayette County, Maryville, Monroe City etc. are really recruiting kids in the same fashion as STL Privates? I personally like privates still playing against public and don't have a complaint because as a competitor I would want to play the best teams, not separate them. But please don't sit here and say that it's happening everywhere and that public schools do it just as much.

He does every single school is recruiting and he has zero, zip, nadda proof on these accusations. He’s well uh? Something on this topic.

 

[Mofan79]

Take all teams out of Class 3 besides Valle Catholic who wins?

 

[Arcola]

All private teams should be required to play Lighthouse Christian and Central.

 

[Stag101]

Take all teams out of Class 3 besides Valle Catholic who wins?

You may have confused my stating of Valle being the best team outside of St. Mary's, as being a Valle homer. Pretty much the opposite. And it was a big what if, since Fallert, was indeed not healthy. I've seen every team mentioned above whether film or in person, and while it is close, Valle is the 2nd best team in Class 3. St. Mary is as good as they want to be in Class 3. And what I mean by that is, they would put however many points they want on every Missouri team they play this year(this week and so on).

St. Mary's walks out five kids on offense, in the skill position, that could all potential play D1 or high DII ball. You just don't see that in that class. In fact St. Mary's walks through Class 4 this year and gives Jackson fits if they played, that is just how good they are.

You eliminate them from Class 3 and it's a much more competitive and entertaining state bracket.

 

[Herman.Boone]

what if he isn't out?

Well that would be big for them... however I heard from some that were at the game, that he tore his ACL late in the 4th quarter.

Apparently he had no business being in the game at the time. If true, that's unfortunate.

 

[Sam Stone]

You may have confused my stating of Valle being the best team outside of St. Mary's, as being a Valle homer. Pretty much the opposite. And it was a big what if, since Fallert, was indeed not healthy. I've seen every team mentioned above whether film or in person, and while it is close, Valle is the 2nd best team in Class 3. St. Mary is as good as they want to be in Class 3. And what I mean by that is, they would put however many points they want on every Missouri team they play this year(this week and so on).

St. Mary's walks out five kids on offense, in the skill position, that could all potential play D1 or high DII ball. You just don't see that in that class. In fact St. Mary's walks through Class 4 this year and gives Jackson fits if they played, that is just how good they are.

You eliminate them from Class 3 and it's a much more competitive and entertaining state bracket.

I think Valle is the the 37th best team in Class 3.

 

[USArmyMike]

You have not idea who I am. I have connections all throughout Central MO and the STL area. I know that your don't. I know you're the one that constantly like to bring it up because your asshole hurts.

I know public and private all recruit within the STL and KC area and then to a lesser degree at schools located in or around Joplin, Springfield, Jeff City and Columbia.

It happens, but it doesn't happen the way you think it does.

Bottom line, you are and ignorant clown. I have far to many post to just post about this one topic. Almost all you post make some sort of claim that private schools recruit. You must pride yourself on believing in such a double standard.

 

[JNsDaddyzDaddyIownU]

So it looks like a foregone conclusion that St. Mary's will win Class 3 pretty easily. So here is my question. If you were able to take St. Mary's out of the equation, who would win Class 3? For argument's sake, and so we have 8 teams, we are going to put Valle Catholic back in the mix. Here is who we have left to choose from in this hypothetical made up situation: Park Hills Central, Valle Catholic, Cardinal Ritter, Owensville, Mexico, Seneca, Pleasant Hill, St. Pius X (KC). Go ahead and reseed it (if you want) and predict how it would play out. Using seeds from last weeks Max Preps, here is how they would seed it. I personally think this would be pretty competitive and fun. Who wins?? I don't know much about the West Side teams so I don't feel qualified to make a prediction.
1. Valle Catholic
2. St. Pius X (KC)
3. Park Hills Central
4. Cardinal Ritter
5. Seneca
6. Mexico
7. Pleasant Hill
8. Owensville

Looks like St. Pius

 

[Stag101]

Looks like St. Pius

Yeah, no.

 

[JNsDaddyzDaddyIownU]

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Yeah, no.

`yeah...bro...they are the last one standing. The question was, outside of St. Marys. Uh, yeah. They are the ones in the final.

 

[JNsDaddyzDaddyIownU]

Yeah, no.

Uh, yeah

Rank​	School​	State​	League​	Division​	W-L​	League W-L​	Division W-L​	Rating​	Schedule Strength​	Opponents' W-L​
1​	St. Mary's (St. Louis, MO) team preview trend​	Missouri​	AAA - Large​	3​	11-1​	3-0 (1st)​	6-0​	47.6​	11.3​	89-54​

2​	St. Pius X (Kansas City, MO) team preview trend​	Missouri​	Midland Empire​	3​	12-1​	6-0 (1st)​	8-0​	28.3​	-0.8​	75-75​

3​	Valle Catholic (Ste. Genevieve, MO) team preview trend​	Missouri​	Freelance​	3​	10-1​	​	3-1​	26.4​	2​	73-48​

4​	Central (Park Hills, MO) team preview trend​	Missouri​	Mississippi Area - White​	3​	10-2​	4-0 (1st)​	5-1​	20.6​	-2.3​	71-61​

5​	Cardinal Ritter (St. Louis, MO) team preview trend​	Missouri​	AAA - Large​	3​	7-7​	2-1 (2nd)​	4-2​	20.3​	14.1​	119-46​

6​	Mexico (MO) team preview trend​	Missouri​	North Central Missouri​	3​	10-3​	3-2 (3rd)​	6-1​	18.1​	1.3​	73-69​