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Cj bulldogs cs. WC cardinals

Interesting dialogue while recording this weeks podcast. Guest posed the question is CJ, after the loss have less pressure less expectations on them and ultimately play loose and challenge WC?

I've had technical difficulties with the last couple podcasts with my phone but I assume it is an issue with my phone and not the website. Next podcast how about a shout out to anyone listening while out walking their dog...:D

PS: Podcasts are great.
 
Oklahoma Texas comparison is not a very good one considering Texas has great athletes on their team probably as good or better than Oklahoma.
CJ does not have the same athletes on the field as webb nor that history. I absolutely think CJ will play very loose I mean nobody expects them to win or even compete for that matter so they will play loose.

I'm an OU fan all the way but with the way WC's staff has coached WC in recent history I've never seen WC look unprepared the way OU did against Texas. Texas ran zone plays over and over and over and OU didn't stop it. Texas is also an underachieving team based on their talent. CJ with the exception of the Lamar game has been dominant the whole season. Texas was a dumpster fire until the OU game.

I do think CJ has some very good athletes and really if you were going by the eyeball test before the Lamar game you would think that CJ would win that game handily. Allen for CJ at WR for CJ is about 6'7" with good hands and could probably start for just about anyone in the state. Lamar made some great in-game adjustments and took him out of the game. Had those adjustments on the CJ passing game not been made that CJ-Lamar game might have been 70-63.

CJ will probably have some success doing some things against WC and then WC will make adjustments and make CJ do something else. If CJ can't then it won't be much of a contest. If they can it could be a shootout. I do think CJ is going to have to improve on tackling to stop WCs running game.
 
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I like oklahoma too I was shock at they're tackling !and maybe some of that was just not being prepared but something was wrong because Oklahoma is a great football team and when right could probably play with any team in the country.
 
I've had technical difficulties with the last couple podcasts with my phone but I assume it is an issue with my phone and not the website. Next podcast how about a shout out to anyone listening while out walking their dog...:D

PS: Podcasts are great.

Thanks Rock, the tech issues were unfortunately on our end. I think we have them ironed out for this weeks podcast. Making a note now to give a shout to my peeps who listen while walking the dog.
 
every team webb plays will have to improve on their tackling. the only team I've seen tackle Webb City well was kearney. I have felt of the keys to webb city success is that so many teams have gone to the spread offense and during practice there is very little contact it's more like 7 on 7. then game time comes Webb City runs like we did in the seventies and eighties teams are ill prepared for the contact. what do you webb city people think?
 
I'm an OU fan all the way but with the way WC's staff has coached WC in recent history I've never seen WC look unprepared the way OU did against Texas. Texas ran zone plays over and over and over and OU didn't stop it. Texas is also an underachieving team based on their talent. CJ with the exception of the Lamar game has been dominant the whole season. Texas was a dumpster fire until the OU game.

I do think CJ has some very good athletes and really if you were going by the eyeball test before the Lamar game you would think that CJ would win that game handily. Allen for CJ at WR for CJ is about 6'7" with good hands and could probably start for just about anyone in the state. Lamar made some great in-game adjustments and took him out of the game. Had those adjustments on the CJ passing game not been made that CJ-Lamar game might have been 70-63.

CJ will probably have some success doing some things against WC and then WC will make adjustments and make CJ do something else. If CJ can't then it won't be much of a contest. If they can it could be a shootout. I do think CJ is going to have to improve on tackling to stop WCs running game.



Hey Mr. Proper LOL I call BS that you in anyway think this will would or could be a shootout. Tell the truth you think as much as most everyone else this game is much more likely to be a blowout as it is a shootout. Do I think JROD has a vendetta or something against CJ so he will run up the score hell no but I dont think one is needed for that to happen. 54,55,41,41,28,23,30. points difference last 7 games what would be the difference maker this year? 6'7 reciever, thought we'd seen that before, 49-0...........
 
Ding ding ding - I think we have a winner! Wondered how far the arrogance would go and the point spread is now 49 according to 3peat. Give me the CJ underDogs and the points, and if gambling on HS sports in MO was legal I'd let 3peat choose the amount of the wager, because I'd take all he is willing to put behind his prediction.
 
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Ding ding ding - I think we have a winner! Wondered how far the arrogance would go and the point spread is now 49 according to 3peat. Give me the CJ underDogs and the points, and if gambling on HS sports in MO was legal I'd let 3peat choose the amount of the wager, because I'd take all he is willing to put behind his prediction.[/QUOTE)



Actually see at least by old math, the new stuff I don't understand at all, you would total all the scores and then divide by how many. If you did that it would give you a hair over 38 not 49. Those are the point differences of the last 7 games, am I wrong about something? Arrogance, I don't get you guys and your BS comments. A person uses logic, shows what it's based off and then gets SA comments. I'll give you the 21 someone said the spread would be for a Benjamin or two, you want it or you just want to run your lips?
 
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Not sure if I was the only one in America. But the TX/OU game. I made 2 dinners and a round of golf. I believe Hook'em Horns
 

I agree with the 21 to 28 point predictions. That seems logical. It grows to 41 and 42, I wouldn't bet on that if I had to take Webb and give the points. Then finally 49-0? My apologies for using the word "arrogant" - perhaps I should've just viewed it as "confident". But are you confident enough to bet the two Benjamins if giving 49? It appears not since you are now offering only 21.
 
And btw I was arrogant (and confident) two weeks ago when I said CJ would beat Lamar by two touchdowns. But I wouldn't have bet more than $20 to anyone if I had to give 14. I'd have probably pushed for maybe 3 or 4 points. That's why I feel I was arrogant to make my bold prediction against Lamar.

Speaking of the Class 2 Tigers, I'm guessing most of the reasonable Webb guys who were at the Lamar CJ game recognize that if Lamar played that hard and that well against Webb, it would be a fun and competitive game to watch. Not that anyone would pick Lamar to win, but I'm not picking anybody against Webb. Just saying I respect Webb and am very impressed with the level Lamar is playing at yet again.
 
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With that I would rather not bet on a high school game, but would lol. If you read my post without having the "I'm the Duck I'm going to attack anything 3peat says" mentality you will see I give no points spread. I simply made a comment to FROG with the scores being this the last 7 games "why would I think they would be any different this year?" It was more giving him crap over saying he thought it could be a shoutout. I personally believe with the teams WEBB has faced and the scores they have scored and gave up I see no way this game SHOULD be close. I'd love to see a close game much better standing in the sidelines when that happens.
 
I believe I misinterpreted the 49-0 part. I'm wondering if that was perhaps the Webb vs Hillcrest score when the Cardinals shut down a certain 6'7 receiver who garnered lots of national attention as a high schooler, but even more as a college player with lots of run-ins with the law???!

The CJ receiver left the game against Marshfield fairly early last week after suffering what appeared to be an injury during a nice reception and tackle. Wonder if he's even playing for the Bulldogs this week?
 
I also wouldn't bet on a high school game. Especially giving more than 42 points. If Webb is up 42 - 0 at half the game usually ends 42 or 49 to 7 to 14. Coach Rod is a class act.
 
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I believe I misinterpreted the 49-0 part. I'm wondering if that was perhaps the Webb vs Hillcrest score when the Cardinals shut down a certain 6'7 receiver who garnered lots of national attention as a high schooler, but even more as a college player with lots of run-ins with the law???!

The CJ receiver left the game against Marshfield fairly early last week after suffering what appeared to be an injury during a nice reception and tackle. Wonder if he's even playing for the Bulldogs this week?

He looked banged up in the later part of the Lamar game as well. If he is unable to play or is well less than 100% that will definitely hurt CJ's passing offense.

How much of the struggles in the CJ-Lamar game with CJ throwing the ball after the first series was poor execution or great defensive adjustments by Lamar I'm not really sure but I'm leaning more toward the latter. I think CJ opted from some routes across the field that are not high percentage unless the WR is wide open and after the 2nd series Lamar had pretty tight coverage. The passes probably could have been completed but all of them would have had to have been right on the money. In that regard I think CJ played themselves out of the game on offense and turned what would have probably been a shootout into a decisive Lamar victory. On the defensive side of the ball Lamar pretty much whipped them.

I'm not saying CJ will score a lot on WC. I do think it will require WCs secondary to make some plays and coach Buck will probably pull out about every trick play he has so it will make for an entertaining game.
 
Forgive me if I'm misinterpreting these posts but the post game analysis seems to be leaning toward how CJ didn't execute or CJ strayed from their game plan. I seem to recall a pretty good job of Lamar's defense taking care of CJ's weapons. Your posts seem to point to CJ losing the game as opposed to Lamar Winning the game. Are we also forgetting that there were 56 pts put on the board against them?? As I began with, forgive me if I'm just being sensitive or if I'm misreading this.
 
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Forgive me if I'm misinterpreting these posts but the post game analysis seems to be leaning toward how CJ didn't execute or CJ strayed from their game plan. I seem to recall a pretty good job of Lamar's defense taking care of CJ's weapons. Your posts seem to point to CJ losing the game as opposed to Lamar Winning the game. Are we also forgetting that there were 56 pts put on the board against them?? As I began with, forgive me if I'm just being sensitive or if I'm misreading this.

I think you are misinterpreting a little. CJ's defense did little to stop Lamar the whole game.

I think CJ had a lot of success early running the ball and running their crossing routes but when Lamar adjusted and clamped down on the receivers on what I guess would be a slant/flat crossing route, even had a pick 6 CJ was pretty stubborn in trying to force the ball in. I think Lamar wins the game because CJ was not going to stop Lamar and I do think Lamar defended CJ great but I do think it was inexplicable that CJs offense came down to trying to force the ball across the field to a WR covered pretty well and not try to the run in 3 straight series when they were running the ball for over 7 yards a play.

IMO that played a big part in why it was a turbo clock in the 3rd quarter. Lamar definitely outplayed CJ but I think Lamar won the coaching adjustments big time.
 
I agree with the 21 to 28 point predictions. That seems logical. It grows to 41 and 42, I wouldn't bet on that if I had to take Webb and give the points. Then finally 49-0? My apologies for using the word "arrogant" - perhaps I should've just viewed it as "confident". But are you confident enough to bet the two Benjamins if giving 49? It appears not since you are now offering only 21.

This is when you get into super fan territory. Just substitute WC for Bears.

Bill Swerski: Now, gentlemen, let me ask you this: What if Da Bears were all 14 inches tall, you know, about so high? Now, what's your score of today's game?

Carl Wollarski: Against Da Giants?

Bill Swerski: Yes, give 'em a handicap.

Carl Wollarski: Bears 18, Giants 10. And that would finally be a good game.

Pat Arnold: Yeah, it would be a good game. Mini Bears 24, Giants 14.

Todd O'Conner: What about Ditka? Would he be mini, too?

Bill Swerski: No, he would be full-grown.

Todd O'Conner: Oh, then, uh.. Mini Bears 31, Giants 7.

Carl Wollarski: Oh, hold on. Then I change mine, too. I thought it was Mini Ditka.

Bill Swerski: Okay, gentlemen, another scenario: Da Bears, they don't make it, the plane is delayed.. and the only one who shows up is Ditka. Ditka vs. Da Giants. Okay, score, gentlemen.

Pat Arnold: Alright, after da heart attack, I gotta say Ditka 17, Giants 14. He just barely gets by.

Bill Swerski: Alright, that sounds exciting. Perhaps, you know, a late Ditka field goal.

Todd O'Conner: Bears!

Superfans: Bears!!
 
This is when you get into super fan territory. Just substitute WC for Bears.

Bill Swerski: Now, gentlemen, let me ask you this: What if Da Bears were all 14 inches tall, you know, about so high? Now, what's your score of today's game?

Carl Wollarski: Against Da Giants?

Bill Swerski: Yes, give 'em a handicap.

Carl Wollarski: Bears 18, Giants 10. And that would finally be a good game.

Pat Arnold: Yeah, it would be a good game. Mini Bears 24, Giants 14.

Todd O'Conner: What about Ditka? Would he be mini, too?

Bill Swerski: No, he would be full-grown.

Todd O'Conner: Oh, then, uh.. Mini Bears 31, Giants 7.

Carl Wollarski: Oh, hold on. Then I change mine, too. I thought it was Mini Ditka.

Bill Swerski: Okay, gentlemen, another scenario: Da Bears, they don't make it, the plane is delayed.. and the only one who shows up is Ditka. Ditka vs. Da Giants. Okay, score, gentlemen.

Pat Arnold: Alright, after da heart attack, I gotta say Ditka 17, Giants 14. He just barely gets by.

Bill Swerski: Alright, that sounds exciting. Perhaps, you know, a late Ditka field goal.

Todd O'Conner: Bears!

Superfans: Bears!!
To make that accurate, you also need to substitute Coach Rod for Ditka and Bulldogs for Giants. Let me show you. " Coach Rod shows up at the game by himself. Final Score: Coach Rod 35, Bulldogs 14.
 
For a freshman that's impressive thst he gey so playing time, Good for him . But that is terrible tackling and we see it more and more.
 
He looked banged up in the later part of the Lamar game as well. If he is unable to play or is well less than 100% that will definitely hurt CJ's passing offense.

How much of the struggles in the CJ-Lamar game with CJ throwing the ball after the first series was poor execution or great defensive adjustments by Lamar I'm not really sure but I'm leaning more toward the latter. I think CJ opted from some routes across the field that are not high percentage unless the WR is wide open and after the 2nd series Lamar had pretty tight coverage. The passes probably could have been completed but all of them would have had to have been right on the money. In that regard I think CJ played themselves out of the game on offense and turned what would have probably been a shootout into a decisive Lamar victory. On the defensive side of the ball Lamar pretty much whipped them.

I'm not saying CJ will score a lot on WC. I do think it will require WCs secondary to make some plays and coach Buck will probably pull out about every trick play he has so it will make for an entertaining game.

Regarding Lamar adjustments : One of the interceptions that the safety for Lamar got in this game was on the news and you can see it in the highlight. I was at the game and he was breaking to the point of interception before the ball was snapped. It was obvious he saw something that they had exposed earlier that made him go so early. Just had to mention this because I was surprised that I saw it unfold.
 
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I guess you will have to just put the Lamar/CJ game in the same category that Nevada is in with their Silver Tiger trophy...no, hold on...Nevada still has a chance to redeem themselves someday, and in the unlikely event that Lamar moves to the COC...CJ can't. Horribly petty but fun to write. :)
 
I guess you will have to just put the Lamar/CJ game in the same category that Nevada is in with their Silver Tiger trophy...no, hold on...Nevada still has a chance to redeem themselves someday, and in the unlikely event that Lamar moves to the COC...CJ can't. Horribly petty but fun to write. :)
Hey we had an opening and they wouldnt answer the phone. Guess we will keep oscar for awhile longer
 
I hope Webb practices to defend only 4 specific passing plays. If so, this could be closer than anyone thinks.

I know that Buck has a bunch of plays in his playbook and could probably run hundreds if he had enough time for his team to work on them though I do concur with Brotherhood88 that it appeared that CJ ran just a handful of routes over and over in that game and I saw the same thing that Big Ape Conf did. The safety guessed the route pre-snap. I'm pretty reasonable certain that coach Buck made a note of that and probably has worked with the offense on not tipping plays.
 
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I know that Buck has a bunch of plays in his playbook and could probably run hundreds if he had enough time for his team to work on them though I do concur with Brotherhood88 that it appeared that CJ ran just a handful of routes over and over in that game and I saw the same thing that Big Ape Conf did. The safety guessed the route pre-snap. I'm pretty reasonable certain that coach Buck made a note of that and probably has worked with the offense on not tipping plays.

I heard Lamar hired an out of work NFL film crew and had them go around to every CJ game this year ... So that wasn't a guess, he knew what was coming.
 
It felt like only four because there were completions, missed receivers, dropped passes and interceptions! Haha

Perception to fans seemed like little variation since completion percentage was around 50%. But they ran their usual assortment of running back screens to the flat, wide receiver bubble screens, slants, sideline routes, curls, wheels, posts, and even two tries at the hitch and pitch (the last one worked for about 30 yds when the game was out of reach).

Lamar defense was ready. And CJ players dropped too many passes. I continue to credit Lamar. And Webb will be every bit as ready and of course deeper than Lamar as well.

Webb wins it easily unless CJ finds themselves on the good side of a lopsided turnover discrepancy.
 
I heard Lamar hired an out of work NFL film crew and had them go around to every CJ game this year ... So that wasn't a guess, he knew what was coming.

This is a joke? If not that is the dumbest thing I have ever read on any forum, since forums ever began, ever.
 
Don't take this wrong, Red and Black Bro. Let's hold off on calling out kid's names. I'll try to counteract it by pointing out that I watch NFL QB's stare down their receivers, routinely. The Devore kid is a very talented athlete. I would imagine it's hard not to stare down a 6'7" receiver if you have one at your disposal.
 
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Of course it's a joke. Who in the heck would hire an NFL film crew to follow an opposing team around for a year? I can't believe you even questioned the validity of that statement.
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Of course it's a joke. Who in the heck would hire an NFL film crew to follow an opposing team around for a year? I can't believe you even questioned the validity of that statement.

Absolutely. Who in their right mind would hire them. Now paying them to freelance....
 
I heard Lamar hired an out of work NFL film crew and had them go around to every CJ game this year ... So that wasn't a guess, he knew what was coming.


I heard Bailey went to Belicheks coaching clinic this summer, might have something there.......
 
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