The state playoffs have been around for over 50 years now. Tough to consider somebody too much of a heavy hitter if they haven't had serious playoff success. And in some cases, it hasn't even been that tough to make it to the quarterfinals or so, due to generally crappy football being played in that part of the state.
Blue Blood Programs
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Again, the list of schools without championships is long and distinguished, if anyone without a ship is a Blue Blood it would be hard to argue against Jackson.
Its the same in all the sports. Track my Soph year. 1,2, 3, and 4th at District 8 (NW Missouri-KC Metro) were 1st, 2nd, 5th,and 7th at state in the 110HH. Two of the sectionals had people that would have been 5th through 15th in our sectional. Our conference had two D1 All-Americans in track running the 800 and 1600m, and we were the Small 6 Suburban Conference.
No state titles, but you could throw Hannibal into this conversation. Sustained long term success and great tradition.
Fun topic to talk about. Camdenton Lakers:
60 years of football overall record of 499-141-7
5 State Championships
2 runner ups
3 Semi-Finals
12 Quarterfinals
28 District Championships
8.3 wins per year
2.4 loses per year
Since Coach Bob Shore took over in 1975 and Coach Jeff Shore took over in 2011 (44 years and counting):
400-106-2
9.1 wins per year
2.4 loses per year (only 1 losing season ever)
All Championships, semis, quarterfinals, and district championships are credited to Coach Bob and Jeff Shore in Laker Football history.
60 years of football overall record of 499-141-7
5 State Championships
2 runner ups
3 Semi-Finals
12 Quarterfinals
28 District Championships
8.3 wins per year
2.4 loses per year
Since Coach Bob Shore took over in 1975 and Coach Jeff Shore took over in 2011 (44 years and counting):
400-106-2
9.1 wins per year
2.4 loses per year (only 1 losing season ever)
All Championships, semis, quarterfinals, and district championships are credited to Coach Bob and Jeff Shore in Laker Football history.
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Does Jeff Shore have a son to take over? Pretty unique that a single family has been able to sustain success like that!
It is unique for sure. It really helps sustain a program. His oldest son graduated in 2018, I don't think he has the same interest in coaching as the other Shores. His other son is a freshmen right now. I am not sure what he wants to do in the future.
How in the world can you be a Blue Blood w/o a title? Being a Blue Blood is way beyond being a good or even great program. Nothing wrong if not one, but to even consider a team w/o a title a Blue Blood is silly.
For reference...there are four schools in college hoops most commonly associated with being a Blue Blood...Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, UNC.
I think Indiana and UCLA are close but yeah I think I pretty much agree because most of their success was under a single coach.
And neither has been nationally relevant on a consistent basis. I think that's a must for a Blue Blood. Obviously speaking on a state level for this thread.
Indiana (winning percentage 64% over 120 years of basketball)
National Championships (5-tied with Duke for the 4th most in history)
1940, 1953, 1976, 1981, 1987
Final Four Appearances
1940, 1953, 1973, 1976, 1981, 1987, 1992, 2002
Conference Championships.
1926, 1928, 1936, 1953, 1954, 1957, 1958, 1967, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1980, 1981, 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991, 1993, 2002, 2013, 2016
And haven't been consistently relevant since RMK...which was 20 years ago. Have finished in the final T25 poll four times in the past 20 seasons.
6th or worse in Big 10 in 10 of last 20. Not exactly a benchmark for consistently relevant. I’d say if there were a fifth school, the Hoosiers might be it. But they’ve just not been there consistently in recent history.
Truth...I'd say the same with UCLA. I'd consider them both in the same boat. A solid 10 year run or so and both are back in there. Man, it's darned near impossible to do what those four have done over the last 30+ years. All have had a year or two here and there where they slipped, but man...the overall consistency is just nuts when you think about it.
I believe in 86 they ran into Seneca.
Always good but I must point out that back in the day Stockton was the Bolivar of the Mid West Conference.
Oh, not disagreeing with that, but still have to win games in postseason to get to semifinals. But don't have any championships, so they are probably not a true blue blood. Like a mid-major that gets to the Sweet 16 or Elite 8 somewhat consistently but no further.
Yeah, all these aren't even blue bloods. These fall under the solid damned football school category.
St. Pius X 3 x Champions 3 x Runner-Up
Seneca 2 x Champions 5 x Runner-Up
Lexington 4 x Champions 1 x Runner-Up
Kearney 4 x Champions 1 x Runner-Up
Helias 2 x Champions 6 x Runner-Up
CBC 3 x Champions 3 x Runner-Up
Blair Oaks 3 x Champions 2 x Runner-Up
And pretty sure Stockton lost to St. Pius X, Lexington, and Seneca at least one time each in the semifinals during that 30 year stretch for them as well.
I’m jumping topics slightly but for perspective I’ve always grouped college football and college basketball programs based on tier levels. For example historically in college football IMO these are the Level A programs: to be in this club you need several national titles and need to be in the top 10-15 in wins and win pct.
Alabama (almost their own level, they were probably a slight #1 even before Saban). Ohio St,USC,Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas
Notre Dsme especially has been dropping down the list. 25 years ago they are #1 or #2
I think LSU could make a good case for joining the club now.
Class B are programs like Florida,LSU, Florida St, Miami,Clemson etc. multiple titles but less consistency, longevity
Class C programs are like Texas A&M , Washington, etc. Good history but maybe only 1-2 titles. To be in the club you must have got st least one title though.
class d are your top programs without a NC: Missouri,West Virginia,
Class E is the rest.
There are gray areas. Minnesota has titles but not in a long time. Clemson has been a powerhouse lately but invisible prior to about 1980.
the same exercise can be applied somewhat to high school football.
Mizzou - Class D? No conference titles since 1969 - 15 overall. I’d put them with the rest of the “never was” crowd.
I think there is a clear distinction between a program like Missouri and programs like Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Vandy,Duke,Indiana, Duke, etc and pretty much all non Power 5 programs. Historically Missouri is about a top 35 program. In the 60’s and 2000’s considerably better.
But like Oklahoma In basketball you can only progress so high in the ratings without winning at least one NC.
Missouri did win that 1954 baseball national championship.
Nobody will ever forget that.
#champs
I once did a persuasive speech in public speaking class at MU...circa 1996...on the topic the university should fire Norm. Jason Sutherland was in my class, and we got along well. He might have been absent that day. I had all kinds of evidence on mediocre recruiting, NCAA infractions (think Daly/Bob Sunvold era), and poor NCAA tournament performances. I'd like to go back to 1995, slap my dumb a$$, and tell me to sit down and shut up.
Sometimes our best perspective is hindsight.
Or Missouri's NCAA National Championship Indoor Track and Field Championship in 1965
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