Bloomberg ain’t afraid to pay
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Unless I heard wrong, that dude has hired an army of campaign workers and is paying big bucks. You could land a full time gig.
He’s going to need twice as many after this debate tonight. He’s getting absolutely murdered at every turn.
Warren had him in knots.
Is it possible for him to drop out of race before he enters it.
In some cases Innocent people were frisked a dozen times and dreaded leaving their apartments. They were scared to death of the police. Come on man. Do you want your kid harassed and frisked on a regular basis?
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Lol says the guy who wants to abolish the 2nd Amendment...
I don't care if they frisk me or my kid. It was wrong to target blacks. Target anyone who causes suspicion.
Precisely? As in because he walked down the sidewalk in a hoody? You truly are sad. And saying I want to abolish the second amendment is just pathetic. Background checks, licensing, and getting high powered weapons off the street is not abolishing any amendment.
That’s not how it worked bro. All it would take is you being frisked twice and your arse would be suing the city. You have to be kidding me.
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It kind of is. Set up in areas where you know crime is high, stop everyone, search them if there's probable cause. That's exactly what a DWI checkpoint is.
Some DWI checkpoints don't even check everyone...just those suspicious looking.
DWI checkpoints are required to be random by law. It might be every 10th car. It isn’t PoPo Bob has a hard on for Reggie and his crew on fifth avenue so he frisks and harasses them day after day and makes them distrust the police for the rest of their lives, which is EXACTLY what was happening in NY. It was a nightmare. And Bloomberg admits that.
It also made the one of the largest cities in the world extremely safe. Can't argue with results.
So would elimination of all guns and knives and baseball bats. Are you for freedom or not? Yes, you can argue with results. Freedom from being touched by a policeman without probable cause is kind of important.
That's the key, stop and frisk was based on having probable cause. Did it involve profiling? Absolutely. Is profiling wrong? Eh.
If you aren't doing anything wrong being stopped isn't an issue.
Here's the difference in your example. Legal gun owners overwhelmingly don't commit crimes with their guns. Taking their guns away serves no purpose. The people being stopped and frisked are predominantly from high crime areas or have displayed some behavior that implies they are up to something. Don't want to be profiled, don't commit crime at a disproportionate rate.
I've been stopped at multiple DWI checkpoints, I was never drunk and never had anything to worry about. They took on average 5-10 minutes and then I went about my life. Those 5 stops didn't adversely affect my life. If I were stopped and frisked 15 times in downtown St. Louis it would be the same result. Don't break the law and 5-10 minutes out of your day is no big deal.
You can be more respectful than "are you drunk?" Have some decorum, I'm not being rude to you, you can show the same respect.
We disagree on policy (shocker) no reason to be rude.
I’m confused. Why are you so upset with stop and frisk?
I mean it’s not the best strategy. But it did save numerous lives.
Visualize being on your way to work and being detained by the police even though you have done nothing wrong and there is no suspicion of any wrong doing. The police just simply felt like detaining you.
Now it’s a week later. You are on your way to work and it happens again. Your fiancé is with you and she gets patted down also.
A couple of weeks later it happens again.
And you are asking me how people could be upset? You should be embarrassed.
You were never frisked in New York. You are not part of the coalition to be singled out. Stop whining and mind your own business.
Don't be the "if it doesn't affect me why should I care" guy. THAT is how we get higher taxes and regulations.
I can't see an issue with stop and frisk if it is about suspicious activity (seems to have been) as opposed to race. If Duck is going to play the victim card (shocking) he's being consistent.....wrong but consistent.
Do you ever read? Try educating yourself on what happened in NY. You make yourself look foolish.
1. You aren't being detained.
2. If you're being stopped it's because you either did something or are being suspicious.
Looked at the data, did police profile? Yes they sure did, however it was profiling based on statistical probability. The racial disparity lined up pretty evenly with violent crime statistics. And it worked, do you understand the logistics of making a city THAT BIG as safe as it was?
A few people got embarrassed, how sad, a lot more people weren't mugged, raped, or killed. That's not the worst tradeoff if a city is willing to make it.
Do I want it for the country? No. But if a city at the micro level decided to implement it, that's the will of the people.
I wish St. Louis would do it.
1) They don’t detain you. Nice of you to throw that falsity in there when you know that’s not true.
2) So you’re more worried about the convenience to yourself then you are about taking guns off the street/saving life’s.
Got it.
They don’t detain you? Lining you up against the wall and frisking you when you are simply walking to work or the market sounds like detaining someone to me. But if you don’t want to call that detaining, OK. Let’s call it something else.
Is it impossible for you to think about what other people are experiencing? If you think what happened in NY was perfectly ok, then you don’t know what happened in NY.
YOU don't know what happened in New York, but please keep lecturing like you do.
No. They don’t detain you. Detaining is when you’re put in handcuffs. They don’t do that. Unless there is suspicious activity. Some guy or woman walking to work is not suspicious activity.
Honest question, have you ever been stopped and frisked?
Bloomberg has apologized. Oops that didn't work.
Donald just tells them to stick it. Either way it doesn't seem to matter.
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