Biggest Underachievers
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My apologizes I didn't realize I was stepping over a line around here.
Everyone will be an over achiever this year! hooray!
Everyone will be an over achiever this year! hooray!
Teams that underachieve usually have something happen. Injuries, discipline issues, attitude problems, etc. So are you asking people to predict those things?
Although I don’t really agree with TadQueasy’s question I don’t think it is as far out of line as some people think. In my opinion after watching girls basketball for several years the teams that usually underachieve is due to the coaching, not the players. So I think TadQueasy’s question is more a shot at coaches than players. There some coaches, in SW MO, area that consistently underachieve and do deserve some scrutiny.
So I ask a question on a DISCUSSION board where topics are DISCUSSED and there is something wrong with me?
Ok.
I think there are a variety of things that can lead to underachieving. And we will all talk about such things as the season goes on. But I guess asking if there are teams going into the season that people expect to have issues is just a bridge too far around here. It has been noted.
All you folks that have been piling on TadQueasy should just take a step back, re-evaluate what he was asking, and stop jumping to conclusions. Tad wasn’t asking about teams that will underachieve due to the overblown hype of certain players, which would imply that any response to this would require a criticism of the players’ abilities and/or attitudes. I think most everyone on this forum realizes that these girls are essentially still children and will make many childlike mistakes both on the court and off the court. With this understood, nobody (at least I hope not) is out to drag any of these young ladies through the mud and disparage their playing performance or abilities. For Pete’s sake, it would be overly easy to be critical of most athletes at this age. I will say it again that I don’t believe Tad’s question was loaded with the implication that he wanted any of these young ladies to be attacked or trashed on this forum concerning their performance on the floor. If that were Tad’s intention, then I completely misunderstood what he was asking and I would also draw the line at being overly critical of these young gals.
I can think of several teams that probably won’t live up to the expectations placed upon them by members of this forum, by their coaches, by the media, and by their parents.
For one, Rolla is gonna find it very difficult to live up to the high expectations placed upon them by members of this forum, the media, and parents. My expectation of their “underachievement” has nothing at all to do with being critical of the girls. It’s due to the simple fact that Corley, Libhart, and possibly Mace might not get to play for several more games. For those that aren’t aware of Rolla’s loss of crucial players, Rolla’s game losses will come as a huge surprise to most folks. Without these players, Rolla will be less successful than most people thought they’d be. This would be considered “underachieving”. Yet, it’s through no criticism of any particular girls. It’s simply an observation and prediction on my part.
St. James, without the Alcorn girl, will probably not meet the expectations that many folks have placed upon them. However, they will still be a pretty fantastic team. But they probably won’t live up to the their full potential without her participation. Due to the fact that they received the number 4 seed in the Fatima tournament, many people evidently don’t expect great success with the Lady Tigers. However, they looked pretty good against Blue Eye. So, many people probably wouldn’t consider St. James as “underachievers”. But with the 4th seed in the tournament, others obviously aren’t considering them as over-achievers.
Everyone seems to have high expectations of Licking this season. And this is easily understandable considering the success that Coach Rissler has had there for several seasons. However, this overly optimistic expectation of their possible success this season can be easily refuted due to the fact that they’ve lost a few key players. They will probably UNDERACHIEVE relative to what peoples initial expectations were. Again, this is nothing critical of any specific player. It’s merely a subjective opinion on my part when looking at the hand of cards that Coach Rissler was dealt this year.
I could go on and on about a few teams that I’ve heard and read about and the high expectations placed on these teams, but when one objectively analyzes the group of girls that the coach has to deal with, I simply don’t agree with the “overachiever” moniker. People might think these teams will have much success, but others might see things in a completely different light. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with offering such an opinion on this forum.
Many of you that were so fast to criticize Tad’s question were also eager to criticize Razzy and his daughters and were openly critical of not only him, but his daughters also. And I could be wrong, but I don’t recall any apologies offered to him. So quit being so critical of Tadqueasy’s question. And try opening your mind a little of what he was really asking. Trust me, it wasn’t an invitation to openly bash any young girls and try to embarrass them (at least I certainly hope not)!
So everyone get off your high horse, quit your virtue signaling, and stop playing this game of demonstrating how you have the moral high ground. Good grief, it was a simple question just trying to initiate a thoughtful dialogue!
Regardless of what I think, sorry for the overly lengthy post. But I just wanted to try to defend where Tadqueasy was coming from, at least from my perspective.
I can think of several teams that probably won’t live up to the expectations placed upon them by members of this forum, by their coaches, by the media, and by their parents.
For one, Rolla is gonna find it very difficult to live up to the high expectations placed upon them by members of this forum, the media, and parents. My expectation of their “underachievement” has nothing at all to do with being critical of the girls. It’s due to the simple fact that Corley, Libhart, and possibly Mace might not get to play for several more games. For those that aren’t aware of Rolla’s loss of crucial players, Rolla’s game losses will come as a huge surprise to most folks. Without these players, Rolla will be less successful than most people thought they’d be. This would be considered “underachieving”. Yet, it’s through no criticism of any particular girls. It’s simply an observation and prediction on my part.
St. James, without the Alcorn girl, will probably not meet the expectations that many folks have placed upon them. However, they will still be a pretty fantastic team. But they probably won’t live up to the their full potential without her participation. Due to the fact that they received the number 4 seed in the Fatima tournament, many people evidently don’t expect great success with the Lady Tigers. However, they looked pretty good against Blue Eye. So, many people probably wouldn’t consider St. James as “underachievers”. But with the 4th seed in the tournament, others obviously aren’t considering them as over-achievers.
Everyone seems to have high expectations of Licking this season. And this is easily understandable considering the success that Coach Rissler has had there for several seasons. However, this overly optimistic expectation of their possible success this season can be easily refuted due to the fact that they’ve lost a few key players. They will probably UNDERACHIEVE relative to what peoples initial expectations were. Again, this is nothing critical of any specific player. It’s merely a subjective opinion on my part when looking at the hand of cards that Coach Rissler was dealt this year.
I could go on and on about a few teams that I’ve heard and read about and the high expectations placed on these teams, but when one objectively analyzes the group of girls that the coach has to deal with, I simply don’t agree with the “overachiever” moniker. People might think these teams will have much success, but others might see things in a completely different light. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with offering such an opinion on this forum.
Many of you that were so fast to criticize Tad’s question were also eager to criticize Razzy and his daughters and were openly critical of not only him, but his daughters also. And I could be wrong, but I don’t recall any apologies offered to him. So quit being so critical of Tadqueasy’s question. And try opening your mind a little of what he was really asking. Trust me, it wasn’t an invitation to openly bash any young girls and try to embarrass them (at least I certainly hope not)!
So everyone get off your high horse, quit your virtue signaling, and stop playing this game of demonstrating how you have the moral high ground. Good grief, it was a simple question just trying to initiate a thoughtful dialogue!
Regardless of what I think, sorry for the overly lengthy post. But I just wanted to try to defend where Tadqueasy was coming from, at least from my perspective.
Except that the individual who started this thread was in fact one of the main ones criticizing my daughters on here a few months ago. Go search Tad’s posts and see for yourself. And by starting this thread it naturally arouses suspicion that this is where he wanted to steer the conversation - “hey, let’s see how many people I can get to pile on the Razzy girls”!
Lets root for them to be successful on the court this season and in life. Which is what we should be doing not for just them, but every single kid out there, as opposed to judging them in the harshest way possible.
Lets root for them to be successful on the court this season and in life. Which is what we should be doing not for just them, but every single kid out there, as opposed to judging them in the harshest way possible.
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So you think I started this thread to go after you and your daughters? LOL come down off your high horse man. Do you really think everything revolves around you? The only place that happens is in your own head.
And people are free to look back at my posts, I think I have mentioned you one time and what I said was dead on true.
This post had nothing to do with you, clever, or your daughters, so take your drama some where else.
Yes I am sure you have a whole group of people who come to you and say "hey look at Tad talking about your daughters"
But just like always you want to be the center of attention. It has nothing to do with you or your girls. I know nothing about the Hollister program this year and whether your team will be any type of achievers.
Rolla was the team at the top of my list of a team that has the possibility of being an underachiever. Another one is Richland. New coach with a group that has been successful and there are expectations of continued success.
St. James will be better than most expect. The Alcorn girl will be back in about two weeks. Without her, St. James beat a very good and experienced Blue Eye team in the BSN Shootout. More than likely, they received the 4 seed in the Fatima tournament due to a couple of factors. First, they graduated five or six seniors, and second, Alcorn would not be available for that tournament. I believe they have a good chance to win the tournament. St. James is young (only one senior), but they are very fast and athletic. They have plenty of varsity experience from their underclassmen, including from their excellent sophomore class.
I don't know anything about the Razzy situation and never commented.
By the definition posted of underachievers, that pretty much covers every team as every team will have high expectations going into a season. I have never once heard a coach, player, parents or community say "We won't win a game."
By the definition posted of underachievers, that pretty much covers every team as every team will have high expectations going into a season. I have never once heard a coach, player, parents or community say "We won't win a game."
The season is unpredictable especially with COVID already wreaking havoc on the schedules along with injuries etc, so it's hard to say who will "underachieve".
But I will name a few teams that I think will be better than people think
Mansfield - The Jones twins are good and rapidly getting better and I think they have a good move in post to go with them.
Mt Vernon - They lost two great players, return maybe 20% of their scoring tops, but they always seem to do better than people think. That's a testament of a great coach. They have players who were somewhat under wraps last season who will step up.
Joplin - If they stay healthy they will be much better. The pieces are there and they have a good coach.
Parkview - Masten is a quick, fast floor general in the mode of a Lacy Stokes or Emma Compton, she breaks out this year as a sophomore. They lost their two best players and over half their scoring, and on the surface don't have a lot of depth for a large school, but while they won't be one of the top teams, they will be better than expected.
But I will name a few teams that I think will be better than people think
Mansfield - The Jones twins are good and rapidly getting better and I think they have a good move in post to go with them.
Mt Vernon - They lost two great players, return maybe 20% of their scoring tops, but they always seem to do better than people think. That's a testament of a great coach. They have players who were somewhat under wraps last season who will step up.
Joplin - If they stay healthy they will be much better. The pieces are there and they have a good coach.
Parkview - Masten is a quick, fast floor general in the mode of a Lacy Stokes or Emma Compton, she breaks out this year as a sophomore. They lost their two best players and over half their scoring, and on the surface don't have a lot of depth for a large school, but while they won't be one of the top teams, they will be better than expected.
I thinks Mansfield will be tough as well. They open up next Monday at Miller. I was impressed with the Jones girls last year. Miller will have their hands full as I think they will struggle for the first part of the season.
May have to add Sparta to the list of teams that could exceed expectations. They whipped a pretty good Diamond team by about 30 last night. Humble of course is not there this year, she is at Strafford, so expectations may have been lowered due to that.
Mt.Vernon has a great coach but they will still only win about 5-8 games this year. Watched them tonight and they struggled to score. 29 points against Nevada. They will struggle to score 40 a game this year.
Greenfield lost their leading rebounder from last year to a tore ACL. She leaves a big hole in the middle.
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