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Big 12-4+2...OU's Boren not happy

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Cincy/BYU are really the only options.


OU president Boren was talking about wanting to expand the Big12 back to 12 teams...but went on to basically say they can't find 2 worthy teams and the Bonghorn network has left the Big12 dead and he potentially laid the groundwork for OU to start the next round of realignment. Yes the GOR is in place, however it has yet to be tested and should OU leave...well look out Baylor, TCU, TTU and Okie Lite

“How many years can this go on?” Boren said. “Finally, it just gets to be really debilitating. I worry about that. That’s something I just worry about long-term about the conference, not short term.”

Boren spoke after the school’s board of regents approved $105 million in funding for the renovation of the south end zone of Gaylord Family-Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.

Boren also said without explicitly naming it that the Longhorn Network—which keeps the Big 12 from having a conference network like the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12—is a big problem for the conference.

“The elephant in the room remains the network south of us that has struggled and has in a way as long as it’s there,” Boren said. “And we have done quite well with our network and if anything ever changed, it has value to it which we see. But someday, maybe we’ll get past that other problem as well. It’s a problem.”

Boren said the problem of reduced revenue per school with expansion wasn’t as big of a hurdle as it had been made out to be.

“The contract says that our main television contract … if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally,” Boren said. “So everybody’s share stays the same. If it’s ‘X’ dollars, it stays ‘X’ dollars.

“Our main media contract says it’s not the same pie now cut 12 ways instead of 10.”

Boren did say that that only includes the primary television contract, not other revenue that is split between the schools.

“It’s not total because there’s some smaller—much smaller—amounts of money around the edges but if you can find the right people, it should be additive even though it’s split 12 ways instead of 10.”


 
He also said that they can take their time and be choosy. That they are in a position to wait and only consider schools that would bring value to the conference.
funny how you left that part out and how once again you are obsessed with a OU and that conference.
 
He also said that they can take their time and be choosy. That they are in a position to wait and only consider schools that would bring value to the conference.
funny how you left that part out and how once again you are obsessed with a OU and that conference.

What schools that would bring value to the conference will consider joining the bevo12-4+2? Honest question.
 
What schools that would bring value to the conference will consider joining the bevo12-4+2? Honest question.

Memphis, Cincinnati, BYU, UCF, Boise St., USF, San Diego St. etc.

One would think the Big 12 will expand east to get West Virginia off their island. Cincinnati and UCF would be most competitive right away, and open the conference to a lot of television sets and fertile recruiting in Ohio and Florida.
 
Not obsessed with OU in the slightest....anything left out wasn't by malicious omission. Just info regarding Boren and some of his statements. I actually have no problem with OU coming to the SEC...it would be a great addition. Doubt it would happen due to the Ok. footprint not being big enough for expansion and OSU being politically tied to to OU.
 
Not obsessed with OU in the slightest....anything left out wasn't by malicious omission. Just info regarding Boren and some of his statements. I actually have no problem with OU coming to the SEC...it would be a great addition. Doubt it would happen due to the Ok. footprint not being big enough for expansion and OSU being politically tied to to OU.
I agree that it will not happen but nothing to do with the footprint. The SEC, would love to have OU. If the Sooners wanted to go, the second reason you gave would be the reason.
 
I agree that it will not happen but nothing to do with the footprint. The SEC, would love to have OU. If the Sooners wanted to go, the second reason you gave would be the reason.

If the SEC wanted OU they'd have them. Too much money involved for OU to turn that down.
 
If the SEC wanted OU they'd have them. Too much money involved for OU to turn that down.

The SEC did want OU.. but they did not want OSU. Cow is right. (did I really, just say that?) Unless something changes OU will not go anywhere without little brother.
Veer: forget MU loyalty vs OU loyalty for a minute. If they wanted MU, why on earth would they not want OU?.... According to history its a better overall program. They have a better following as far as numbers. It would be a matter of. whether its good for both sides.. and aparently having to bring OSU with them was not to the SECs liking.
 
other than the Longhorn Network, they are as attractive as any team in the Nation, that is for sure.. Not sure they are more likely, necessarily because, in the past, they have come with strings too. (part of why the Big 8 took the Texas schools it did and left out the ones they did, back in the day)
 
If the SEC wanted OU they'd have them. Too much money involved for OU to turn that down.

The SEC did want OU.. but they did not want OSU. Cow is right. (did I really, just say that?) Unless something changes OU will not go anywhere without little brother.
Veer: forget MU loyalty vs OU loyalty for a minute. If they wanted MU, why on earth would they not want OU?.... According to history its a better overall program. They have a better following as far as numbers. It would be a matter of. whether its good for both sides.. and aparently having to bring OSU with them was not to the SECs liking.


Money. OU brings no tv sets

When did SEC offer OU? Link please besides a president of the University with no evidence? (That seems to lie for big money judging by the recent news. Wow)
 
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If you haven't noticed....as of late there has been some Big 12 ADs making some statements. OU now TCU AD is at it as well. I think there is some stuff going on...these guys don't make these statements just for nothing. BTW...Texas isn't going to the SEC. SEC already has the Texas footprint and Texas isn't giving up the LHN. More likely is a move to the East.
 
No need to apologize... have seen this before... you said NO sets.. the graphic clearly shows that wrong...

also, one thing that is shown on others that is not in that one.. Is the number of games that the ranking comes from.. for instance.. ALL of OU games (as well as some other teams) were counted in the rankings.. while others (MIZZOU inclused only 8 or 9 of the games were counted.) Some that would not draw were not on national TV and did not count in the rankings..... Now, even like that, OU was not at the top of the list, and I never said they were, but it certainly makes a difference... and this, in what was a sure down year for OU and what was one of the best years for MU. The point is that OU would be a draw. Not sure how you can say any different and actually differently with a straight face.
 
No need to apologize... have seen this before... you said NO sets.. the graphic clearly shows that wrong...

also, one thing that is shown on others that is not in that one.. Is the number of games that the ranking comes from.. for instance.. ALL of OU games (as well as some other teams) were counted in the rankings.. while others (MIZZOU inclused only 8 or 9 of the games were counted.) Some that would not draw were not on national TV and did not count in the rankings..... Now, even like that, OU was not at the top of the list, and I never said they were, but it certainly makes a difference... and this, in what was a sure down year for OU and what was one of the best years for MU. The point is that OU would be a draw. Not sure how you can say any different and actually differently with a straight face.

Mizzou lost to indiana. It ended as a good year but the fair weather fans weren't there the whole season.

I'm sorry that you can't accept that OU isn't all that and a bag of chips. OU needs the SEC a lot more than the SEC needs them.
Pretty sure all Mizzou's games were on national tv. Why wouldn't a top program like OU's be?
 
You have OU in one corner and MU in another. SEC is picking between the two(both readily available), who do you think they pick?

Just because MU was looking for a dance partner doesn't mean they were the gem of the Big XII that the SEC coveted.
 
You have OU in one corner and MU in another. SEC is picking between the two(both readily available), who do you think they pick?

Just because MU was looking for a dance partner doesn't mean they were the gem of the Big XII that the SEC coveted.


Looks like they chose.

David Boren is a liar. That much is becoming clear. OU doesn't bring the revenue Mizzou does. It's just that simple as shown by facts.
 
Looks like they chose.

David Boren is a liar. That much is becoming clear. OU doesn't bring the revenue Mizzou does. It's just that simple as shown by facts.

Looks like you can't read. I said both readily available. OU wasn't looking to leave at any point during MU's shuffle.

Are you really comparing viewers of a bowl game on Jan. 1st to a 5:30 game on Monday evening? Heck half of working America isn't even home from work at that time.
 
Looks like you can't read. I said both readily available. OU wasn't looking to leave at any point during MU's shuffle.

Are you really comparing viewers of a bowl game on Jan. 1st to a 5:30 game on Monday evening? Heck half of working America isn't even home from work at that time.

Kenny how do you know OU wasnt looking? Boren is a liar flat out. He'll say anything.

Total TV viewers silly. It's not even close.
 
Kenny how do you know OU wasnt looking? Boren is a liar flat out. He'll say anything.

Total TV viewers silly. It's not even close.

Total TV viewers takes into account the opposite team aswell. Just so we are clear, you believe that MU has more fans that will tune into a game than Oklahoma would with the same opponents?
 
Total TV viewers takes into account the opposite team aswell. Just so we are clear, you believe that MU has more fans that will tune into a game than Oklahoma would with the same opponents?

Clearly Mizzou plays such a rigorous schedule that all their opponents outdraw mighty OU.
:rolleyes:

Did you really just post that? HAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHHAHAH

Lots o' hatin' goin' on for a 'Mizzou fan'.
 
Clearly Mizzou plays such a rigorous schedule that all their opponents outdraw mighty OU.
:rolleyes:

Did you really just post that? HAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHHAHAH

Lots o' hatin' goin' on for a 'Mizzou fan'.

So is that a yes or no? Stop trying to twist the post. If OU was playing Bama would they draw less people to the TV than Mizzou?
 
So is that a yes or no? Stop trying to twist the post. If OU was playing Bama would they draw less people to the TV than Mizzou?

I'm sure both teams have something to do with the draw.
Mizzou draws substantially more viewers than OU.

Average of 3.71m vs 2.37m to be exact.
 
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I'm sure both teams have something to do with the draw.
Mizzou draws substantially more viewers than OU.

Average of 3.71m vs 2.37m to be exact.

So opponents have no factor? You're avoiding the question.

So again just to be clear you think MU has a larger fan base following than OU?
 
Undeniably OU is a bigger draw than mizzou. Does it matter in the slightest at this point? Of course not.
 
So opponents have no factor? You're avoiding the question.

So again just to be clear you think MU has a larger fan base following than OU?

I'm sure both teams have something to do with the draw.
Mizzou draws substantially more viewers than OU.

Average of 3.71m vs 2.37m to be exact.
 
I'm sure both teams have something to do with the draw.
Mizzou draws substantially more viewers than OU.

Average of 3.71m vs 2.37m to be exact.

Thanks. So I ask again(and it really is a simple yes and no question), do you believe MU has a larger fan base than OU?
 
No but they bring more value.

Facts.



I couldn't find the equivalent for 2014 but OU was better in 2013 with a 1.7 average over 11 games while Mizzou was 1.6 over only 7 games.

http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/4/5173376/sec-college-football-tv-ratings-2014-texas-am-Missouri

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the SEC Championship game was gone down in ratings the last two years.........................................................................
 
I couldn't find the equivalent for 2014 but OU was better in 2013 with a 1.7 average over 11 games while Mizzou was 1.6 over only 7 games.

http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/4/5173376/sec-college-football-tv-ratings-2014-texas-am-Missouri

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the SEC Championship game was gone down in ratings the last two years.........................................................................
I posted the equivalent 2014 above. First link i posted.
 
why dont we look at hard numbers against the same opponent. Both played Tennessee last year. Dispite being early in the year with no conference ties OU/Tenn drew nearly half a million more viewers than did MU vs Tenn in the middle of the SEC conference season. If you want to look at the bigger scale... OU/Alabama in the Sugar Bowl drew 16.8 million viewers vs 12.8 people watched Bama vs Mizzou in the SEC Championship game. Again, this is during what many of you have said is a DOWN time for OU and the best of times for MU.
 
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why dont we look at hard numbers against the same opponent. Both played Tennessee last year. Dispite being early in the year with no conference ties OU/Tenn drew nearly half a million more viewers than did MU vs Tenn in the middle of the SEC conference season. If you want to look at the bigger scale... OU/Alabama in the Sugar Bowl drew 16.8 million viewers vs 12.8 people watched Bama vs Mizzou in the SEC Championship game. Again, this is during what many of you have said is a DOWN time for OU and the best of times for MU.


BOOM.....................Down goes Frazier.
 
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