Best offense to run with a weak line?

[BoosterBosko]

Non-existent like Lisa's Duck fetish???

Ok you all, lets stop thread hijacking and get back to the original topic. I honestly think you just run your normal offense. If your players arent strong enough, let them learn the hard way! After a few losing seasons, they will realize to toughen up and hit the weights!

 

[shoot90draw]

Ok you all, lets stop thread hijacking and get back to the original topic. I honestly think you just run your normal offense. If your players arent strong enough, let them learn the hard! After a few losing seasons, they will realize to toughen up and hit the weights!

I can see why youre only the booster club president Bosko......

 

[StefanDjordjevich]

Non-existent like Lisa's Duck fetish???

if you block out the duck, lisa still looks good! just sayin

 

[LHSTiger81]

Do what you can, expect some challenges but get a weight program started and develop a culture where the kids know that "no weights = no wins".

 

[J.Moxon]

Well said

Valid argument

I’m guessing your day job is a poet, Raw. You are a man who really knows how to string words together! Thank you for sharing your soliloquy with us.

 

[freezeoption]

The lonesome polecat, was the start of the run and shoot, Tiger Ellison. One of my favorite books to read, but I let a coaching friend borrow it and he moved away and the book is gone. You have to have some good receivers and a good qb for that. A lot can happen in 5 months if you push them hard in the weight room. I would first go with the offense you know, but offenses that allow you to double team on the line will help. I'm a option guy. Two guys you will not have to block one on the dive and one on the pitch. Plus, you get good double teams. Two weak guys on one should at least slow them down a little. Dbl wing gives you good double teams and wing t also. Double teams, down blocks and traps should be a focus.

 

[Sleepless_in_Jefferson_County]

The lonesome polecat, was the start of the run and shoot, Tiger Ellison. One of my favorite books to read, but I let a coaching friend borrow it and he moved away and the book is gone. You have to have some good receivers and a good qb for that. A lot can happen in 5 months if you push them hard in the weight room. I would first go with the offense you know, but offenses that allow you to double team on the line will help. I'm a option guy. Two guys you will not have to block one on the dive and one on the pitch. Plus, you get good double teams. Two weak guys on one should at least slow them down a little. Dbl wing gives you good double teams and wing t also. Double teams, down blocks and traps should be a focus.

Double wing is your best bet with minimal talent.

But running flexbone or any option based offense isn't a terrible idea with a bad/weak line. If your QB can read a defender, why bother blocking him?

Something else you may consider, if you have depth at the skill positions and some of your TE/FB type kids or honestly whoever is a strong kid with some lead in his pencil, you might consider moving them to the offensive line. Glorify it, make them know it's not a demotion.

But never sacrifice the O-line just because some kid would rather play a skill position.

 

[peterdew63]

shut up!!!!!! Yeah that's the best I got, my life sucks.

 

[Sleepless_in_Jefferson_County]

Ah, hell, I just wanted to be part of the conversation.

Alright then, my 2 cents:

Agree with a few posters here that veer schemes can be successful with smaller Olinemen; however, they’d better be disciplined and tenacious. The caveat is that triple option football takes a tremendous commitment. It would be very hard to get that offense clicking within a year or two. Programs that do it...and do it well...start the players on it as young as possible. If you have lineman that want to block the pitch key or a QB that pitches off the dive key, etc. you can queue the Benny Hill music as it turns into a debacle quickly.

On poster mentioned wing T. That may be a better bet for more immediate success. It can incorporate a lot of trapping, misdirection and angle blocks. Additionally, some Wing T teams will flip flop their OL with a quick side/strong side feature when they’re short on linemen.

Maybe the best bet would be to use a split back system and ditch trying to run veer at all. Dives, belly, quick pitches...anything that happens FAST where your linemen don’t have to hold blocks for longer than a second.

Hey, it’s a catch 22 with any choice, but it’s an interesting topic nevertheless.

Get that triple option offense rolling though and it's a thing of beauty.

 

[Sleepless_in_Jefferson_County]

Oh, I love it! To me, it’s a system that is about toughness, selflessness and discipline. I love watching a great fake and seeing defenders attack people without the ball...an action we used to call “chasing ghosts”.

I don't think your average fan appreciates it, though. Like my wife says: “I like it when they throw, because I can tell what’s going on.” She’s getting better, though. After many years as a coach’s wife and as a football mother, I didn’t hear her inadvertently root for the opposing team this past season. Progress is progress.

Haha yeah mine is pretty good about understanding what's going on. Getting better every year.

Yeah running the flexbone is the ultimate team offense and is entirely systemic.

I've said for years that if you can run midline, inside veer, outside veer, rocket, and whatever counter you want to throw in there, you'll win way more than you lose.

 

[Sleepless_in_Jefferson_County]

Amen. I Like the flex, but I also like the same plays out of the wishbone (with that added iso off tackle at any given moment). Those same plays are great out of the I. It lacks the 100% mirror potential of the others but has more punch with the lead plays than the flex does. I don’t think outside veer out of wishbone, flexbone or I is as effective as it is out of split backs.
Then there’s split backs....which I like...things happen fast, outside veer is best run from it, but I don’t like the timing of midline out of splits. It is easier to get your backs involved in the passing game, though.
Oh well. Pick your poison...as long as your poison is a weapon.
Where are you at, SIJC? I’m guessing The Boro?

Was at Hillsboro for a while.

Completely agree on iso. And yeah Outside Veer from flexbone is just icing if you can pull it off.

 

[freezeoption]

yes osv is a great play, but in flex you have to bring your splits down, in wishbone or split backs you don't have to give that key

 

[BobbyMiles18]

Offense doesn't win championships.

 

[Sleepless_in_Jefferson_County]

Offense doesn't win championships.

No, but it is what the original post was asking about.

 

[Duck_walk]

Ah, hell, I just wanted to be part of the conversation.

Alright then, my 2 cents:

Agree with a few posters here that veer schemes can be successful with smaller Olinemen; however, they’d better be disciplined and tenacious. The challenge is that triple option football takes a tremendous commitment to install . It would be very hard to get that offense clicking within a year. Programs that do it...and do it well...start the players on it as young as possible. If you have lineman that want to block the pitch key or a QB that pitches off the dive key, etc. you can queue the Benny Hill music as it turns into a debacle quickly.

On poster mentioned the wing T. That may be a better bet for more immediate success. It can incorporate a lot of trapping, misdirection and angle blocks. Additionally, some Wing T teams will flip flop their OL with a quick side/strong side feature when they’re short on linemen.

Maybe the best bet would be to use a split back system and ditch trying to run veer at all. Dives, belly, quick pitches...anything that happens FAST where your linemen don’t have to hold blocks for longer than a second. Depends on what kind of youngster you have at QB and how well the staff can teach it.

Hey, it’s a catch 22 with any choice, but it’s an interesting topic nevertheless. Good luck

OK. You made a Benny Hill music reference and it made me snort in the middle of my belly laugh. I remember about 10 years ago I started making outdated pop culture references in practice and kids looked at me like they had no clue. Now a decade later when I slip up, the other coaches arent even old enough to know what the hell I am talking about.

 

[Mike Winchell]

Thoughts?

Triple Option. Veer, Midline, things along those lines. Very simple concepts up front. One of those offenses where your guys up front are doing the same stuff over and over at practice all week.

 

[Duck_walk]