Author Christian Beth Moore Speaks out against Trumpism

[bullitpdq68]

About time our Christian leaders start to step up!!

Beth Moore's Condemnation of 'Trumpism' Is a Watershed Moment - RELEVANT

Over the weekend, thousands of aggrieved individuals took to Washington D.C. for a "Stop the Steal" rally, accusing president-elect Joe Biden,

www.relevantmagazine.com

“I do not believe these are days for mincing words,” Moore tweeted. “I’m 63 1/2 years old and I have never seen anything in these United States of America I found more astonishingly seductive and dangerous to the saints of God than Trumpism. This Christian nationalism is not of God. Move back from it.”


Moore went onto caution her fellow leaders in ministry against “remaining passive in this day of seduction to save our own skin” and warn Christians against turning “from Trumpism to Bidenism.”
“We do not worship flesh and blood,” she said. “We do not place our faith in mortals. We are the church of the living God. We can’t sanctify idolatry by labeling a leader our Cyrus. We need no Cyrus. We have a king. His name is Jesus.”
The tweets set off a firestorm across the internet and beyond, sending Moore’s name to the top of Twitter’s trending charts and sparking off conversations around cable news about just who this Moore woman was and, frankly, why she’s the only one brave enough to say this stuff. Theobrogians heads exploded. This morning, MSNBC had conservative commentator David French on to unpack scripture. Tom Arnold proposed to Moore. It is a moment.
This isn’t exactly a new song from Moore, but the lyrics are a little more pointed. Moore has been writing bestselling Christian books since the 1990s, and her Living Proof Ministries hosts enormously popular conferences all over the world. But over the last few years, a new generation has come to know Moore primarily for her fierce courage in the face of the fundamentalist extremism creeping within her conservative Southern Baptist tradition. On social media, she forcefully challenges the misogyny and racism that has plagued evangelicalism with a zeal that makes many “cool” younger prominent Christian leaders look lazy in comparison.

 

[3Rfan]

I guess I don't see why Trumpism is different than Obamaism.
I have said I vote for ideas and philosophies not people.
I know of no one in the Christian realm following Trump rather than Christ unless they aren't really followers of Jesus. I voted for Trump partly because he has done more for the faith community than any President of my lifetime not because he is Americas savior.

You surely can't believe Trump is man of faith or gives a rats ass about any religion anywhere. He wanted their vote and he got it, he'll do or say ANYTHING to have people praise him, he can't live without it.

 

[MGHS]

About time our Christian leaders start to step up!!

Beth Moore's Condemnation of 'Trumpism' Is a Watershed Moment - RELEVANT

Over the weekend, thousands of aggrieved individuals took to Washington D.C. for a "Stop the Steal" rally, accusing president-elect Joe Biden,

www.relevantmagazine.com

“I do not believe these are days for mincing words,” Moore tweeted. “I’m 63 1/2 years old and I have never seen anything in these United States of America I found more astonishingly seductive and dangerous to the saints of God than Trumpism. This Christian nationalism is not of God. Move back from it.”


Moore went onto caution her fellow leaders in ministry against “remaining passive in this day of seduction to save our own skin” and warn Christians against turning “from Trumpism to Bidenism.”
“We do not worship flesh and blood,” she said. “We do not place our faith in mortals. We are the church of the living God. We can’t sanctify idolatry by labeling a leader our Cyrus. We need no Cyrus. We have a king. His name is Jesus.”
The tweets set off a firestorm across the internet and beyond, sending Moore’s name to the top of Twitter’s trending charts and sparking off conversations around cable news about just who this Moore woman was and, frankly, why she’s the only one brave enough to say this stuff. Theobrogians heads exploded. This morning, MSNBC had conservative commentator David French on to unpack scripture. Tom Arnold proposed to Moore. It is a moment.
This isn’t exactly a new song from Moore, but the lyrics are a little more pointed. Moore has been writing bestselling Christian books since the 1990s, and her Living Proof Ministries hosts enormously popular conferences all over the world. But over the last few years, a new generation has come to know Moore primarily for her fierce courage in the face of the fundamentalist extremism creeping within her conservative Southern Baptist tradition. On social media, she forcefully challenges the misogyny and racism that has plagued evangelicalism with a zeal that makes many “cool” younger prominent Christian leaders look lazy in comparison.

She a TV preacher.....She a bigger con person than Trump. She ask you to send your money to the Lord but she will give you her address... She's a freaking Millionaire who made those Millions off donations and writing BS Books.

Sure she might cloak her BS and Money grubbing in some Biblical truth but at the Root she is about making Money. And Clearly trading on her looks....

Also if you think the Huge Majority of that 74 million Trump supporters are Evangelical Christians and believe all that then you clearly are not well enough informed.

Law/Order and the Constitution are first and Foremost over almost everything else. Not unlike the Founding Fathers. Do a bit of research while the Founding fathers did wrap themselves in the cloak of orthodox religion most came from a school of thought of Deism....I thought this was taught in most High Schools and clearly in College.

 

[MGHS]

You surely can't believe Trump is man of faith or gives a rats ass about any religion anywhere. He wanted their vote and he got it, he'll do or say ANYTHING to have people praise him, he can't live without it.

He gives them shat to buy their votes....it's politics. Not unlike the Dem's give out Phones and other free stuff to get the Poor votes.

 

[bullitpdq68]

She a TV preacher.....She a bigger con person than Trump. She ask you to send your money to the Lord but she will give you her address... She's a freaking Millionaire who made those Millions off donations and writing BS Books.

Sure she might cloak her BS and Money grubbing in some Biblical truth but at the Root she is about making Money. And Clearly trading on her looks....

Also if you think the Huge Majority of that 74 million Trump supporters are Evangelical Christians and believe all that then you clearly are not well enough informed.

Law/Order and the Constitution are first and Foremost over almost everything else. Not unlike the Founding Fathers. Do a bit of research while the Founding fathers did wrap themselves in the cloak of orthodox religion most came from a school of thought of Deism....I thought this was taught in most High Schools and clearly in College.

Con or not what she says is so true...no christian should put anybody in front of God...However what I am seeing in most post on social media is references to God and Trump was sent to us by God. And I totally agree with you on the money, however most Churches/preachers today make a money Grab especially when it comes to tithing...

I live in SWMO I know who most trump supporters in this area are......

No I totally agree with you and have study up on the Founding fathers, this has no reference to them however.

However Mitch finally came out and said it was over yesterday....Guess what Trump Tweeted "Mitch, 75,000,000 VOTES, a record for a sitting President (by a lot). Too soon to give up. Republican Party must finally learn to fight. People are angry!"

 

[vbsideout]

I don't seem to remember reading in the bible where Jesus ripped children from their parents because they were trying to flee turmoil

 

[r14veer]

I've never said or thought Trump was a Christian.
Trump has DONE more for the faith community than any President in my lifetime. Words don't impress me, actions do.

What exactly is the "faith community?" I'd bet if you ask a pretty good portion of people of faith, they'd beg to differ. The portion he helped and catered to makes up about 15% of people of faith in the U.S.

 

[r14veer]

Christians, Catholics, Jews.
Who are the 15% you refer too?

White conservative evangelicals. You know, the ones who differentiate between “Christians” and “Catholics.”

 

[l_Pete_l]

I don't seem to remember reading in the bible where Jesus ripped children from their parents because they were trying to flee turmoil

Romans 13:1-3 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.

This was written when the Roman government was in power. Have you ever heard what they would do to anyone that broke their laws? Taking parents from children would be nothing compared to what they did.

No child was "ripped from their parents" if their parents did not violate US law. Whether you or I like the law it exists. If someone with children moved into your home you would want them dealt with. And they would separate or "rip" the children from the parents when they incarcerated them.

Under every president parents have been separated from children upon incarceration when laws were broken, including coming into the US illegally.

 

[MGHS]

Con or not what she says is so true...no christian should put anybody in front of God...However what I am seeing in most post on social media is references to God and Trump was sent to us by God. And I totally agree with you on the money, however most Churches/preachers today make a money Grab especially when it comes to tithing...

I live in SWMO I know who most trump supporters in this area are......

No I totally agree with you and have study up on the Founding fathers, this has no reference to them however.

However Mitch finally came out and said it was over yesterday....Guess what Trump Tweeted "Mitch, 75,000,000 VOTES, a record for a sitting President (by a lot). Too soon to give up. Republican Party must finally learn to fight. People are angry!"

I did say she cloaked her message in Biblical Truth. I'm around a lot of Rural Trump voters as well. And many will say in a flippant manner God sent Trump but when you really get in a conversation with them....they all admit he is just representing and fighting for what they believe and how they want the country to be governed.

I do agree that for years the Rep. party has just rolled over and done nothing to represent their base other than Trout out the Anti-Abortion BS every 4yrs. They fight a bit on over reaching crazy gun control. But other than that they are nothing but part of the Uni party with the dem's.

 

[l_Pete_l]

Most Christian leaders do not agree with Beth Moore on this subject. Many have come out with denunciations against what she said. Here is one of the best IMO.

 

[r14veer]

Romans 13:1-3 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.

This was written when the Roman government was in power. Have you ever heard what they would do to anyone that broke their laws? Taking parents from children would be nothing compared to what they did.

No child was "ripped from their parents" if their parents did not violate US law. Whether you or I like the law it exists. If someone with children moved into your home you would want them dealt with. And they would separate or "rip" the children from the parents when they incarcerated them.

Under every president parents have been separated from children upon incarceration when laws were broken, including coming into the US illegally.

Wait a second. Should this apply wholesale? Or just when it suits this argument?

 

[l_Pete_l]

Wait a second. Should this apply wholesale? Or just when it suits this argument?

lol. ummm, not sure what's being asked. Unless it rhetorical to the obvious. It should apply all the time when answering the question it addressed in this thread. And yes, it should apply wholesale and especially when it fits an argument.

 

[r14veer]

Of course it is universal. Submitting and supporting are two different animals though.

Here is what was quoted:

Romans 13:1-3 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.

So it seems that all resisting is bad. But what is meant by “resisting?” One can’t say for sure, can they? Is righteous (and who decides what that is) resistance ok, or is all resistance bad because authorities are appointed by God? If you do not explicitly support an authority, is that “resistance?” I mean, if resisting is bad, then every revolution ever is bad and against the word of God.

lol. ummm, not sure what's being asked. Unless it rhetorical to the obvious. It should apply all the time when answering the question it addressed in this thread. And yes, it should apply wholesale and especially when it fits an argument.

This is uniquely incoherent. Bless you.

 

[r14veer]

And how about all those Christians (devout I’m sure) talking about secession?

 

[l_Pete_l]

Here is what was quoted:

So it seems that all resisting is bad. But what is meant by “resisting?” One can’t say for sure, can they? Is righteous (and who decides what that is) resistance ok, or is all resistance bad because authorities are appointed by God? If you do not explicitly support an authority, is that “resistance?” I mean, if resisting is bad, then every revolution ever is bad and against the word of God.

The obvious is when you resist the law you pay the penalty. The Greek is very clear as to what it means:
resist - anthistémi (anth-is'-tay-mee)
(from antí, "opposite/against" and hístēmi, "to stand") – properly, take a complete stand against; literally to act opposite of or against
This was to answer the post that said, "I don't seem to remember reading in the bible where Jesus ripped children from their parents because they were trying to flee turmoil"
So to clarify to this statement, Jesus didn't "rip" children from their parents. President Trump, border patrol or the police do not "rip" children from parents. The law separates children from parents when the parents are incarcerated. This is actually to protect the child. There are no family jail cells and there aren't enough cells to allow children to stay with parents thus children cannot be placed in the same cell as other adults, for their own protection. The person that "rips" the child is the parent that violates the law. Guess how many times my children have been ripped from me.....zero. Why? Because I obey the law. I have been pulled over before for speeding. I didn't tell the officer, "how dare you steal food from my children" and "Jesus never stole food from children". I violated, I pay. My fault. The bible backs this system and it even says that God implemented it. He uses it to control evil. I'm probably going to offend but this seriously isn't that hard to understand. It gets that way when someone wants to find a way around it.

 

[r14veer]

Show me these "devout Christians" who are calling for secession.

I appreciate you asking for clarification. Just know that I will never make an assertion without actual knowledge on a subject, nor will I make an assertion based on things I have heard without verifying it either with a primary source or corroborating secondary sources, preferably from different perspectives.

Here’s a primary source: https://www.christianexodus.org/

 

[r14veer]

The only ones confused are the liberals trying to use scripture to defend their positions. It is the equivalent of using an AR15 when not familiar with guns. Bad things happen both times.

I’m just glad that intelligent people don’t rely on stereotypes for nearly every single thing because that would be groupthink.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

 

[kaskaskiakid]

35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[a] you did it to me.’ Matthew 25:35-40

"Again I tell you,it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24

 

[hb1025]

Damn Kaski I’m impressed lol

 

[Toots_mcgee]

35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[a] you did it to me.’ Matthew 25:35-40

"Again I tell you,it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24

I assume you are replying to Chrissy and this is the greatest beat down I have seen in years. You are the Mosports king in my eyes.

 

[Veer2Eternity]

I assume you are replying to Chrissy and this is the greatest beat down I have seen in years. You are the Mosports king in my eyes.

Miller thinks he knows the Bible but in reality he's a cafeteria Christian that worships his gop masters

 

[Toots_mcgee]

Socialism for the rich pubs. Capitalism for the rest.

 

[r14veer]

Great except I don't see ANYONE named there. I also see no mention of secession. Wrong link?

You may consider further researching pastors John Weaver, Matt Trewhalla, and Chuck Baldwin, then (the ones listed on the site with sermon audio). They've been at this for quite some time.

 

[r14veer]

I suppose you don't think Jesus was a socialist?

I typically try to refrain from retroactively imposing ideologies on people as well as deities.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

 

[l_Pete_l]

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This is the equivalent of the man who is ignorant of basic math trying to explain to everyone how a complex algebraic formula works. Jesus made it clear that people would not be able to understand Him or the gospel with an unregenerate heart. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But a natural, unspiritual person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. I definitely do not understand everything and am still in the understanding process but it's not hard to tell if someone understands the basics of the why of the bible.
Everyone always attributes to Jesus that He's kind of a Gandhi or Mother Teresa type. Feed the poor, help the helpless, pet the sheep. He did advocate doing good but He was controversial is standing for what is right to the point that those who had darkness in them wanted to and finally did kill Him. Jesus isn't a Republican or Democrat but there is no way He would ever advocate or approve of a baby being murdered in it's mother's womb. He also made the so called spiritual leaders angry on a number of occasions because they were trying to impose stupid religious rules on people that had absolutely no meaning. Beth Moore is doing this very thing. She is trying to be so holy and spiritual that she denounces Trump on the basis of he doesn't meet her version of Christianity. She's pompous and religiously arrogant. She's looking for a Billy Graham for president. Trump is the "spiritual" person that she wants. So she speaks badly of him, turning people away from voting for him which is simply a vote for Biden the baby murdering supporter. This is the problem with her. Trump at least has a track record of allying with Christian principles. He's a strong supporter of Israel. He's against abortion and appointed 3 Supreme Court Justices that lean against abortion (which is NOT an American right and basic liberty like some would try to make us believe). He is pro religious freedom unlike the former president that sent the IRS against churches. There are many more things where Trump aligns with Christian beliefs and Beth Moore bypasses all of these to denounce him because he says a terrible cuss word on occasion (which the bible speaks nothing specifically about). What a Pharisee.
Bottom line, God doesn't send people to hell, people make choices and send themselves there by their actions. Those choices come in how we respond to issues that are presented to us. I'm not saying that people can't be ignorant or blind to things but for someone to understand what an abortion is and does and still support it is a clear glimpse of which way they're headed. BTW, I already know I'm getting crucified for this one. lol

 

[MGHS]

Oh yeah.......you opened up a can of worms with that response. In short Trump panders to the Religious right and in doing so he support's Christians beliefs and Ideals to rally them to his side.

There is no doubt Trump breaks a lot of Christian Doctrine and Mores.

Clearly Trumps breaking of Christian customs and dogma rankles her feathers and drives her disdain for him. She then ignores all the things he does that have benefited those of the Christian faith. All the while she is enriching herself to the tunes of Millions. At least Trump isn't a Wolf in sheep's clothing, he is pretty transparent on what he is.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Keep sending Trump your money. He's going to need it in another month!!!

 

[3Rfan]

This is the equivalent of the man who is ignorant of basic math trying to explain to everyone how a complex algebraic formula works. Jesus made it clear that people would not be able to understand Him or the gospel with an unregenerate heart. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But a natural, unspiritual person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. I definitely do not understand everything and am still in the understanding process but it's not hard to tell if someone understands the basics of the why of the bible.
Everyone always attributes to Jesus that He's kind of a Gandhi or Mother Teresa type. Feed the poor, help the helpless, pet the sheep. He did advocate doing good but He was controversial is standing for what is right to the point that those who had darkness in them wanted to and finally did kill Him. Jesus isn't a Republican or Democrat but there is no way He would ever advocate or approve of a baby being murdered in it's mother's womb. He also made the so called spiritual leaders angry on a number of occasions because they were trying to impose stupid religious rules on people that had absolutely no meaning. Beth Moore is doing this very thing. She is trying to be so holy and spiritual that she denounces Trump on the basis of he doesn't meet her version of Christianity. She's pompous and religiously arrogant. She's looking for a Billy Graham for president. Trump is the "spiritual" person that she wants. So she speaks badly of him, turning people away from voting for him which is simply a vote for Biden the baby murdering supporter. This is the problem with her. Trump at least has a track record of allying with Christian principles. He's a strong supporter of Israel. He's against abortion and appointed 3 Supreme Court Justices that lean against abortion (which is NOT an American right and basic liberty like some would try to make us believe). He is pro religious freedom unlike the former president that sent the IRS against churches. There are many more things where Trump aligns with Christian beliefs and Beth Moore bypasses all of these to denounce him because he says a terrible cuss word on occasion (which the bible speaks nothing specifically about). What a Pharisee.
Bottom line, God doesn't send people to hell, people make choices and send themselves there by their actions. Those choices come in how we respond to issues that are presented to us. I'm not saying that people can't be ignorant or blind to things but for someone to understand what an abortion is and does and still support it is a clear glimpse of which way they're headed. BTW, I already know I'm getting crucified for this one. lol

So you think your worthy of being crucified?

 

[l_Pete_l]

So you think your worthy of being crucified?

Lol. I'm not sure what that means. I was jokingly using it to say that for saying what I did I was gonna stir stuff up at me. BTW, the Romans crucified saints and sinners.

 

[MGHS]

Keep sending Trump your money. He's going to need it in another month!!!

I've never donated a Dime to Trump or any political party. I vote and that is it.

 

[Expect2Win]

What exactly has Trump done for the Christians?

 

[3Rfan]

1) Appointed judges (lots of them) with constructionist views.
2) Supported pro life cause unapologetically and openly.
3) Moved the US embassy to Jerusalem.
4) Defended faith groups against mandatory Obamacare requirements.
5) Trump doesn't speak of us as deplorables clinging to our God and Bibles but celebrates us as vital elements of society that are key to making America great again.

Once Again, Why So Many Evangelical Christians Strongly Support Trump (townhall.com)
Let’s say that you and your spouse are committed Christian conservatives, raising your four children to honor the Lord and live by biblical principles. Included in those principles are the words of Jesus, who taught that the meek and the peacemakers would be blessed. That’s one reason that you eschew violent entertainment, from violent video games to blood and gore movies to extremely violent sports.

You live in the suburbs, and your next-door neighbor became famous years ago as the toughest bar fighter in the region, cracking open many a skull in the process. He then transitioned to cage fighting where he has made an excellent living. And while he is a good neighbor, he is not a good role model for your kids. He uses all kinds of profanity. He still drinks. And he has multiple girlfriends.

One day, two of your kids come home from school quite shaken. They were cursed out by some older teens who mocked their Christian faith. They were spat on. And they were threatened. They were also told, “Just see what our dad is going to do to your parents! He hates Christians even more than we do. There’s a good reason they call him Crazy Sam!”

Later that night, to your shock, Crazy Sam shows up at your door with three of his friends, all of them looking ominous and angry. They begin to scream threats against you, and you can see they have tire irons and knives in their hands.

Before you can respond, your neighbor comes running over, ripping into Crazy Sam and his cronies, getting stabbed and struck in the process, but beating them up even worse until they are subdued and disarmed.

Then, as the police arrive to clean things up, your neighbor leaves the attackers with a threat: “If you ever come near this family – and that includes your kids coming near their kids – I will tear you apart with my own hands.”

How would you now feel about your neighbor’s violence? Would you see it in a different light? Would you recognize that God just used this profane character, who makes his living beating people up, to save your lives? You still might not approve of the way he makes his living, but you would have a deep sense of gratitude and even loyalty towards him. Your whole perspective would change.

Of course, this is meant as an illustration rather than a precise analogy, but the application is clear. It is not just that Trump fights. It is not even that Trump fights back. It is that Trump fights for us.

So you think all the crap Trump has done is ok because he tries to score political points with Christians while living a totally un Christian like life. He doesn't give a rats ass about Christians except when it comes to getting their vote. The ONLY thing he wants is power and then more power. He's using you and you jump in with both feet, he's a total fraud!!!

 

[3Rfan]

See, you state all these facts without evidence.

You don't think he has shown just exactly what I said? You have to know this man is no christian and only does anything for them to get some more votes.
He just signed the covid relief bill, after he allowed unemployment benefits for lots of people to run out at midnight last night when he could have signed it days ago instead of messing with everybody to show how powerful he is. He'll really be pissed when congress overrides his veto of the military funding bill with all the other crazy spending in it.

 

[l_Pete_l]

So you think all the crap Trump has done is ok because he tries to score political points with Christians while living a totally un Christian like life. He doesn't give a rats ass about Christians except when it comes to getting their vote. The ONLY thing he wants is power and then more power. He's using you and you jump in with both feet, he's a total fraud!!!

List the things that makes him unchristian. Tell me how you know he does these things to score points with Christians. If Biden would appoint the people to the Supreme Court that Trump has I'd vote for him and I don't give a rats @ss why he or Trump did it, I just want it done. I think Chris Gardner does a good job showing why Christians want Trump.

1) Appointed judges (lots of them) with constructionist views.
2) Supported pro life cause unapologetically and openly.
3) Moved the US embassy to Jerusalem.
4) Defended faith groups against mandatory Obamacare requirements.
5) Trump doesn't speak of us as deplorables clinging to our God and Bibles but celebrates us as vital elements of society that are key to making America great again.

 

[3Rfan]

List the things that makes him unchristian. Tell me how you know he does these things to score points with Christians. If Biden would appoint the people to the Supreme Court that Trump has I'd vote for him and I don't give a rats @ss why he or Trump did it, I just want it done. I think Chris Gardner does a good job showing why Christians want Trump.

You got a be kidding about why Trump is not a Christian. I give up on you Trump guys you can't say anything he does is wrong and I reckon you never will!

 

[3Rfan]

List the things that makes him unchristian. Tell me how you know he does these things to score points with Christians. If Biden would appoint the people to the Supreme Court that Trump has I'd vote for him and I don't give a rats @ss why he or Trump did it, I just want it done. I think Chris Gardner does a good job showing why Christians want Trump.

I'd bet you won't get Trump to brag on the SC appointments he made since they didn't back him up in his quest to overturn the election. That is THE reason he appointed them at least 2 of them. He was talking about this election ending up in the SC long before it was even close to election time. He specifically picked Barrett for this reason and said as much at the time.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

List the things that makes him unchristian. Tell me how you know he does these things to score points with Christians. If Biden would appoint the people to the Supreme Court that Trump has I'd vote for him and I don't give a rats @ss why he or Trump did it, I just want it done. I think Chris Gardner does a good job showing why Christians want Trump.

Man, it's not so much about his politics, it's about the type of person he is and the things he says and does. What kind of Christian makes fun of a handicap reporter's disability on camera and in front of the microphone at a rally (the last straw for me), says a female commentator is bleeding out of her eyes and other places, says he can do anything to women because he is rich and they like being grabbed in the p***y, trying to destroy people's careers and reputations that disagree with him out of pure vengeance, and on and on. What type of Christian has done this all his life???

Trump is a despicable human being!!