Are there any true moderates here

[Toots_mcgee]

Not all Dems.

The illegal immigrants should get free health care and let’s focus on tranny rights crowd are not moderates.

Thinking corporate America will police itself with regard to the environment is not being a moderate. That’s lais·sez-faire right extremist territory.

Once again, thinking ordinary citizens open carrying rifles in the super market is a-ok is some extremist nonsense.

 

[3Rfan]

Clearly because the Individual states and Founding Fathers wanted that system to make sure that Dense populations of the Northern states didn't have a Stranglehold on the Southern States who had a more rural populations when Electing a President. The North would easily dominate who the President was and that Branch of office having a effective monopoly on the Executive Branch.

Having Congress elect the President was a real possibility but they wanted a bit more separation of the government branches. They didn't want the President to be a toady of Congress.

So the compromise was the EC this solved a whole array of problems for the Founding Fathers. This mitigated out a ill informed public, it Controlled the Dominance of the Executive Branch By Dense populated area's, and it didn't breach the Separations of Powers from each Branch.

While you keep saying it's suppose to be one person one vote.....That was never EVER the case. Literally the Constitution Specifies that each state get's Electors. Let me repeat this...The Constitution Specifies the EC. The Constitution is the End all to Be all to how are system is governed. So NO you are 100% wrong about one vote per person when Electing the President as you keep repeating in Error.

State Elections and how they are Set up have nothing to DO with how the Founding Fathers set up Federal elections....you keep confusing this. States had autonomy on a lot of this type of stuff, state elections are not Federal elections. In fact Maine and Nebraska don't have winner take all Electoral Votes policies. Other states could adopt similar policies. It's called freedom.

This was something taught in basic American History or any Civics Class in High School.

Not sure why you are so against the EC...it forces Presidential Candidates to be more diverse and court votes from regions outside of the Metro Coasts. To get elected Presidential Candidates have to build up a voting coalition in multiple regions around American. They just can't ignore lesser regions and the will of those voters.

If that's true why wouldn't the high population/largest cities states always pick our president since they also have the most EC votes?

 

[Toots_mcgee]

The opposite is actually true. GOP prez candidate spends zero time in Cali or NY or Illinois because they know no matter how many votes they get it will get them nothing in the EC. Same with the Dems in Wyoming, Idaho, etc. With a popular vote election they would campaign everywhere. Unlike my vote in Missouri, all the votes would count.

 

[MGHS]

Republicans love to enrich the military industrial complex. Exactly what Eisenhower warned us about.

A moderate would understand this.

A moderate would be able to recognize having people walk around Walmart or Starbucks with an AR15 is not a good thing.

A moderate should be wise enough to understand that our current corporate health insurance system is adding massive costs to health care like all unnecessary middle men.

Some people think moderate means “don’t change anything dramatically”. That ain’t it.

Moderates would admit that the top 5% are not paying their fair share.

Extreme righties enjoy calling themselves moderates. They are anything, but.

I agree the Military Industrial complex is a Huge Beast.....and needs to be more efficient that it is now. But to some degree it's a necessary beast. I'm all for cutting out the Grift and BS waste. And making it more transparent....But we also need to maintain the Leading edge in all aspects of a War Machine.

Walking around with a AR-15 is no different than having a Hand Gun or Knife on a person for protection...I've posted the Statistical data from the FBI on multiple occasions.....Fist,Clubs,Knives, and Hand guns deaths dwarf AR-15 deaths. So any fear that comes from them being on a person is irrational and ginned up by the MSM. A moderate understands data and logic as opposed to emotional fear and illogic.

A moderate understands that that Gov. healthcare doesn't even begin to pay the Cost of the services provided to those people who receive them. Thus Healthcare Providers Robber Barron the Insurance companies by over inflating the price of services to shift money to cover the procedures from Gov. Health care and non-pays who walk away scot free.
Sure the Middle man and profit margin moves the premium's and deductible upwards. But if the dead weight didn't get free Cadillac services then those footing the bill would be getting those Cadillac services at a much reduced rate. And that a Gov. waste and corruption would not be better in a Medicare for all system. I find it Ironic that you attack the Military Industrial complex, but think that a Gov. Medical complex would be any better or efficient....I mean look at the VA Health system. That is a exact copy of what we would get....heck it would probably be worse as it would be bigger and even less efficient than the VA now. Any gov. ran system from Amtrak,FEMA,EPA to the Military is always a freaking bastion for Grift, waste and corruption. Public Healthcare will not be any different.

I agree the 5% should pay more....I just understand that isn't going to happen, they control the system, and all the Institutions....the difference between you and me is that you actually think the Dem's are any different than the Pub's in that regard.

 

[MGHS]

If that's true why wouldn't the high population/largest cities states always pick our president since they also have the most EC votes?

I'm just putting forth why the Founding Fathers did why they did it with regard to the EC......you might disagree but that is what the Scholars and documented information written by the Founding Fathers from that era convey.

If you dislike it so much then there is a procedure to change the Constitution......so you and like minded citizens can get that movement going.

 

[MGHS]

The opposite is actually true. GOP prez candidate spends zero time in Cali or NY or Illinois because they know no matter how many votes they get it will get them nothing in the EC. Same with the Dems in Wyoming, Idaho, etc. With a popular vote election they would campaign everywhere. Unlike my vote in Missouri, all the votes would count.

I agree that some area's are a lost cause for either side. But both Candidates have to still campaign in battle ground states and build a coalition across those regions to win. And as I stated I didn't make or put this system into action. I just pointed out why the Founding Fathers did what they did and the reason's behind their procedures. You may disagree but that was the system they wanted and thought was best. Others agree that it's bogus....many agree that it's a great system.

And your vote still counts because it's not a forgone conclusion that Mizzou land will always break toward the more conservative candidate. That's why voting matters. Again this is a Republic not a mob rule democracy....

 

[3Rfan]

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I agree that some area's are a lost cause for either side. But both Candidates have to still campaign in battle ground states and build a coalition across those regions to win. And as I stated I didn't make or put this system into action. I just pointed out why the Founding Fathers did what they did and the reason's behind their procedures. You may disagree but that was the system they wanted and thought was best. Others agree that it's bogus....many agree that it's a great system.

And your vote still counts because it's not a forgone conclusion that Mizzou land will always break toward the more conservative candidate. That's why voting matters. Again this is a Republic not a mob rule democracy....

The founding fathers did it because they thought the general population wasn't smart enough to know who to vote for and it was very hard to get information outside large cities. That is NOT the case today, if you don't know anything about the candidates now it's your own fault.

 

[MGHS]

That was only a small part of the reason. I've read a whole lot of articles and papers on this subject. I basically cliff noted all the arguments in my previous post. If you have read something that doesn't include the other reasons that I pointed out then that article is being disingenuous to a high degree in a effort to sway the ill informed population into believing the EC was just put forth to Control the ill informed public, which clearly if people are believing that is the Main reason then the Founding Fathers where correct in putting forth the EC into the constitution.

The founding fathers where not some monolithic group think tank. They all had individual idea's thoughts and reasons. The EC was put in place to address a multitude of issues of electing a President. Those who say it was just because of the ill informed public and that is not a issue today, clearly are spewing propaganda and disinformation, in a effort to turn America into a Mob Rule democracy.

There is reams of information about how many of the Founding Fathers didn't want the Executive branch under the control of dense population area's. Or they didn't want the President to be a puppet of Congress and wanted to maintain the integrity of separations of all the Branches.

 

[Toots_mcgee]

Killing this country? Bahahahahaha

 

[kaskaskiakid]

So according to you a moderate is a Dem

Yeah pretty much!

 

[3Rfan]

This is the biggest joke that you will see on the internet....#38% Dude, you are obsessed with Trump. I didn't even mention the guy and that's all you talk about. He must be keeping you up at night living in your head rent free. Did you know that your boy's Build Back Better has tax cuts for millionaires and tax increases for the middle class? It's straight out of the classic liberal playbook.

I wish Mr's Obama would run for President in '24. If she did she would win in a landslide! That just might cause most pubs that want to be president AND Mitch to have a stroke.

 

[MGHS]

Killing this country? Bahahahahaha

View embedded media

We will see how much of that bill actually get's to the Streets....411 billion are earmarked to hit the streets....the rest is going to line pockets of those who voted for it.

Spending bill is awash in waste, pork

The House of Representatives late Friday approved a key element of the Biden administration’s domestic agenda — a $1.2-trillion infrastructure bill. The media focused on the politics of the measure…

www.dailybreeze.com

The well informed doesn't gobble up BS Twitter and tik tok propaganda....it's easy to see through.

 

[Expect2Win]

James Carville gave us Bill Clinton for two terms. You probably loved him then. You are just like all the other libs out there. You love him when he says what you think and hate him when he speaks the truth. The "woke" movement is killing this country. People like Sean Hannity realize that and they are just using a term that the millennials coined. How will you swallow a DeSantis/Tim Scott ticket in 2024 that wins the election in a landslide? Swallow....Bill Clinton...James Carville...

Why does disagreeing with someone you agree with 90% of the time, make you a hater?
I am sure there is a policy or position DeSantis has that you disagree with, does that make you a hater?

 

[Toots_mcgee]