Just wondering I consider myself a moderate independent.
but seems to be only either Libs or Trumpers posting...
but seems to be only either Libs or Trumpers posting...
Are there any true moderates here
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LOL well I do lean right if talking to the left...but when talking to the right they might say I lean left.... depends on someones beliefs.
what drives me nuts is that both the left and the right spend like drunkin sailors. If I did my math right the "bipartisan" infrastructure bill cost every man, woman, and child in the USA about $3500 dollars and they are trying to jam through another almost 2 trillion.
Not a soul that voted either for, or against the bills have a clue what is actually in the legislation, it was jammed through in the middle of the night, I think Congress has about a 15% approval rating and thats probably on the high side. Need to get rid of all of them
Moderates from thirty years ago are considered the “far left” now. Richard Nixon and Dwight Eisenhower would be called RINOs today.
What do you consider a moderate to be?
Can you be considered a moderate if you think the extreme rich need to start paying a lot more in taxes? Moderates used to be able to believe in gun control and care about environmental issues.
Can you be considered a moderate if you think the extreme rich need to start paying a lot more in taxes? Moderates used to be able to believe in gun control and care about environmental issues.
Toots not sure I agree 100% on that no way would you have seen Dems wanting to give up to a million dollars to somebody who crossed the boarder illegally. But right now if you want to call yourself a pub you first have to agree the election was stolen and kiss Trumps ring...which I think is bull....
Really I think both parties have lost touch with the true middle class
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I am not against common sense back ground checks for gun ownership. Yes I know criminals don't have to pass one, but if I am not a criminal what do I care.
Not against protecting our environment, but here is my issue, all of the current policies have only led to sending polluting manufacturing overseas? What good is that?
Only a handful of extremists want to make the immigrants rich. But most repubs I know think Trump was robbed and think masks and vaccines are conspiracies. It ain’t both sides in equal numbers. The Dems have never been a United cult like I see with Trumpers.
I started to first type I disagree...but then I thought no maybe his right but then I moved back. You have a few Pubs who have came out and said Trump was wrong. But then you have just about as many Dems saying the same thing. Two dems held up the 3 trillion spending... That not many wanted besides the progressives.
I'm fiscally conservative but somewhat liberal on social issues.
Stay outta everyone else's business and don't spend any money that doesn't benefit AMERICA and her people.
Pretty simple concept.
That's not R v D.
Not many wanted? Millions want many of the things in the bill. Not everything, but a hell of a lot of it. They had the votes except for two Dems in the senate. Manchin’s family business is coal. That guy will never support reducing the use of fossil fuels.
Sinema is voting against things she campaigned for. Why? She is being financed by big pharma and gop donors.
90+ percent of American citizens want Medicare to be able to negotiate drug prices. Why didn’t the GOP get that done when they controlled everything? It’s in the Dems bill.
I assume you have no idea what the bill says about paying for the costs involved. If you think this was jammed through in the middle of the night where have you been all these weeks they've been trying to get vote on it? What difference does it make what time of day or night they vote on it, the folks that are home in bed don't get to vote on it anyway.
When I was a kid people understood and respected the separation of church and state without a lot of turmoil. That has gone haywire. the country has shifted way right.
when I was a kid a Supreme Court members spouse would not have been a lobbyist/political activist who paid for bussing people to the 1/6 rally.
prior to Trump, for decades the U.S. Chamber of Commerce loved the cheap labor provided by immigrants. Extreme right shift.
Obamacare was a Republican idea implemented by Mitt Romney in Mass.
It became the worst idea ever when the black guy wanted it.
when I was a kid a Supreme Court members spouse would not have been a lobbyist/political activist who paid for bussing people to the 1/6 rally.
prior to Trump, for decades the U.S. Chamber of Commerce loved the cheap labor provided by immigrants. Extreme right shift.
Obamacare was a Republican idea implemented by Mitt Romney in Mass.
It became the worst idea ever when the black guy wanted it.
I consider myself a moderate....I'm fine with Gay marriage, Abortion, I'm for legal immigration, I believe in equal pay for equal work, and believe that all races are 100% equal. I believe in Capitalism but not 100% Laissez Faire Capitalism some regulation is necessary. I have no issue with some Social Programs but the Safety net has gotten to broad and now even extends to every person in the World who is in need.
There are now Like 4 classes of Dem's now....Leftist/Marxist,Progressives,Moderates and a few Blue Dog conservatives Dem's.
The Conservative Party is still split in three Parts....Rich Aristocrats, Common Conservatives and the Moral Majority who is dying off.
Trumpers have united in a response to the Rise of the Leftist control of the Democratic party. MSNBC/CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/NPR and the left wing print media have eroded all credibility in a effort to control the masses. So a lot of conservatives even if they don't believe in all the Conspiracies stuff know that the message is unifying and have fallen in line.
Conservatives have watched for years as the Dem's/Left have used Propaganda, protest, boycotts of products/Business, cancel culture and various other tools to gain power and sway voters. It's just now that the Conservative side is waking up to the same type of tactics.
You think this Country has moved way Right???? We have same sex marriage, more people than ever who are openly LGBQTetc., diversity and representation is at a all time high in Hollywood,, all the Major Media outlets but one lean way left and spew that Propaganda....I mean literally after last weeks election they all started fear mongering with Racist overtones that it was the Rise of the delta variant of Trumpracism. Pure lies and bunk.
The left is constantly attacking the 2nd amendment with insane gun control bills and the 4th amendment being ignored.
And How do we not have the Separation of Church and State? It is enforced now like never before...which I have no problem with. But to say that it's not is insane. Any reference to the 10 commandments have been removed...no nativity scenes at Christmas time. School prayer is gone.......I guess Parents wanting to have some control over CRT is a step to far for the Far left.
And while you are Right Obama Care was a Romney idea as was his BS over reaching Gun Control in Mass. .....No conservative I know likes Romney or thinks he is a conservative outside of him being a Mormon.
Everyone in business loves cheap labor.....Dem's and Rep's......
We have common sense back ground Checks....
Everyone cares about the environment but to do anything that really would help would upend the World Wide economic structure for everyone. Period, end of story. The Leaders understand this so they virtue signal and slap BS band-aids across the problem and move on.
You love to spout those right-wing talking points, like the leftist propaganda and the credibility of the media, and the fact that the right has been innocent in all of the protests, boycotts, and cancel culture. All of the rights wars say differently, war on Christmas, war on Easter, etc. That is all made-up clown stuff.
If the media is was the left propaganda you say they are, then instead of hearing about 3.5 trillion all the time, we would hear about the specifics like immigration reform, and alternative energy both popular. Expanding Medicare is also popular, as well as tuition-free schooling, etc.
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/pol...blic-opinion-trillion-senate-budget-plan.aspx
If the media is was the left propaganda you say they are, then instead of hearing about 3.5 trillion all the time, we would hear about the specifics like immigration reform, and alternative energy both popular. Expanding Medicare is also popular, as well as tuition-free schooling, etc.
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/pol...blic-opinion-trillion-senate-budget-plan.aspx
Don’t think the county has shifted way right but they have tried. To me I see a shift to the left.
I'm a moderate and labelled a lib because I hate Trump. But I also hate the West Coast/NY liberals. They are so wrong on immigration. I may vote Rep in 2024 only if Con Man isn't the candidate. My vote like most Americans will depend mainly on the economy. Joe better figure it out soon, even though I see the current inflation as a result of reduced supply from covid, and both parties spending like drunken sailors for the past 20 yrs.
You know that is how I feel, I honestly believe Trump is a cry baby, I did think he had some good ideas but he worried more about his popularity than anything.
Was not a Biden fan either, the man won basically because the rest of the field was just to left. I felt he was just to old and doesn't have the stamina to lead.
I liked the transportation bill and was upset that it was being held up but the extreme left. Not saying I am totally against all of the ideas I just felt they don't have a plan in place to pass it and pay for it right now.
It won't do any good for me or you to vote for a dem in presidential elections anyway thanks to the archaic electoral college vote because Missouri will go to the pubs.
I don't care about Christmas...or Easter if private companies want to call it winter holidays and Bunny up day and buck tradition so be it. I don't have a issue with Schools doing away with that tradition either. As long as no other religious holidays are observed.
My right wing talking points usually center around the 2nd/1st/4th amendments.....And yes free stuff is very very popular on both sides of the coin. Sure all those things sound good and it's no surprise that the joe public is in favor of those programs as they sound helpful on the surface. But does the majority of of the respondence actually understand the ramification of the bill and the fact that long term the cost will be carried by the working and middle class? This free stuff won't be free and the average citizen won't benefit from it.
As far as left wing Media goes, that is easily proven the Lies in the Rittenhouse case, Impeachment, Russian Collusion etc. are easily found. As early as 2017 the MSM knew that it was BS but some even still tout it up.
And I freely point out that Fox is a Propaganda machine for the Right.......
Trump is more than a Cry baby, he is a self absorbed, womanizing, instigating, arrogant person of low Character. But with that said the people he had running the show behind the scenes did some good things and was on the right path. He just sabotaged is own presidency, because he is incapable of taking the high ground or having any sibilance of self reflection.
Biden is worse than Trump because he is surrounded by the wrong people...and in truth he's never been nothing but a Career politician who has used is position to enrich himself and his family first and foremost. Biden has not one shred of backbone he waffles and bends with the winds of opinion.
????? you do know to win the state of Missouri it's based on the Popular vote correct? Missouri should go to the Pubs that is the will of the Missouri voters.
Even James Carville thanks the Country and Dem's have moved to far left...but you still claim we have shifted to far Right because most people....including a huge amount of Independents and some moderate dem's agree.
Analysis: James Carville knows *exactly* why Democrats lost on Tuesday
James Carville knows exactly why his party lost so badly on Tuesday: "Stupid wokeness."
www.cnn.com
Yes. James Carville is super in tune with millennials and the generations behind them. Bahahahahaha Bahahahahaha Bahahahahaha He is as southern redneck as any Trumper. Using James Carville to justify your opinions. Priceless. He uses the term “woke” like he is Sean Hannity’s brother. BahahahahahaEven James Carville thanks the Country and Dem's have moved to far left...but you still claim we have shifted to far Right because most people....including a huge amount of Independents and some moderate dem's agree.
Analysis: James Carville knows *exactly* why Democrats lost on Tuesday
James Carville knows exactly why his party lost so badly on Tuesday: "Stupid wokeness."
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I'll clarify my post. Yes I do know the popular vote determines who wins a state's electoral votes. My issue with the EC is that is doesn't matter if you win a state by 10 votes or 10 million votes you get ALL of the electoral votes. How is that representative of the will of the people of that state? IF we have to have the EC the votes should be given proportionally according to the vote count for each side. I think there are a few states that do it that way, but not many. It really should be ONLY the total of the popular vote in the whole country that decides who our president is. We don't need the EC at all!!
So if he is Carville is so out of touch then why is the Polling numbers with all demographics so bad for this Administration......Geesh K. Harris is polling worse than Cheney did as VP....that is bad.
Also Loved her fake French accent as well when she spoke to the French.....Have you seen how she parrots what ever regions accent she is speaking to? What type of person is she and what type of issues does she have to do this?
Beyond Red vs. Blue: The Political Typology
Pew Research Center’s political typology provides a roadmap to today’s fractured political landscape. It segments the public into nine distinct groups, based on an analysis of their attitudes and values.
www.pewresearch.org
Also this Pew research show's that the Dem's are losing the Moderates.... Carville understands and get's that....I hope the rest of the Dem's ignore the data.
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It's supposed to be one person one vote. If the EC way is so great why don't we have an EC for every state election too? Like I said, IF we have to the EC the votes should be given to the candidates in proportion to the popular vote, not winner take all, that's just plain goofy!
Clearly because the Individual states and Founding Fathers wanted that system to make sure that Dense populations of the Northern states didn't have a Stranglehold on the Southern States who had a more rural populations when Electing a President. The North would easily dominate who the President was and that Branch of office having a effective monopoly on the Executive Branch.
Having Congress elect the President was a real possibility but they wanted a bit more separation of the government branches. They didn't want the President to be a toady of Congress.
So the compromise was the EC this solved a whole array of problems for the Founding Fathers. This mitigated out a ill informed public, it Controlled the Dominance of the Executive Branch By Dense populated area's, and it didn't breach the Separations of Powers from each Branch.
While you keep saying it's suppose to be one person one vote.....That was never EVER the case. Literally the Constitution Specifies that each state get's Electors. Let me repeat this...The Constitution Specifies the EC. The Constitution is the End all to Be all to how are system is governed. So NO you are 100% wrong about one vote per person when Electing the President as you keep repeating in Error.
State Elections and how they are Set up have nothing to DO with how the Founding Fathers set up Federal elections....you keep confusing this. States had autonomy on a lot of this type of stuff, state elections are not Federal elections. In fact Maine and Nebraska don't have winner take all Electoral Votes policies. Other states could adopt similar policies. It's called freedom.
This was something taught in basic American History or any Civics Class in High School.
Not sure why you are so against the EC...it forces Presidential Candidates to be more diverse and court votes from regions outside of the Metro Coasts. To get elected Presidential Candidates have to build up a voting coalition in multiple regions around American. They just can't ignore lesser regions and the will of those voters.
Having Congress elect the President was a real possibility but they wanted a bit more separation of the government branches. They didn't want the President to be a toady of Congress.
So the compromise was the EC this solved a whole array of problems for the Founding Fathers. This mitigated out a ill informed public, it Controlled the Dominance of the Executive Branch By Dense populated area's, and it didn't breach the Separations of Powers from each Branch.
While you keep saying it's suppose to be one person one vote.....That was never EVER the case. Literally the Constitution Specifies that each state get's Electors. Let me repeat this...The Constitution Specifies the EC. The Constitution is the End all to Be all to how are system is governed. So NO you are 100% wrong about one vote per person when Electing the President as you keep repeating in Error.
State Elections and how they are Set up have nothing to DO with how the Founding Fathers set up Federal elections....you keep confusing this. States had autonomy on a lot of this type of stuff, state elections are not Federal elections. In fact Maine and Nebraska don't have winner take all Electoral Votes policies. Other states could adopt similar policies. It's called freedom.
This was something taught in basic American History or any Civics Class in High School.
Not sure why you are so against the EC...it forces Presidential Candidates to be more diverse and court votes from regions outside of the Metro Coasts. To get elected Presidential Candidates have to build up a voting coalition in multiple regions around American. They just can't ignore lesser regions and the will of those voters.
Republicans love to enrich the military industrial complex. Exactly what Eisenhower warned us about.
A moderate would understand this.
A moderate would be able to recognize having people walk around Walmart or Starbucks with an AR15 is not a good thing.
A moderate should be wise enough to understand that our current corporate health insurance system is adding massive costs to health care like all unnecessary middle men.
Some people think moderate means “don’t change anything dramatically”. That ain’t it.
Moderates would admit that the top 5% are not paying their fair share.
Extreme righties enjoy calling themselves moderates. They are anything, but.
A moderate would understand this.
A moderate would be able to recognize having people walk around Walmart or Starbucks with an AR15 is not a good thing.
A moderate should be wise enough to understand that our current corporate health insurance system is adding massive costs to health care like all unnecessary middle men.
Some people think moderate means “don’t change anything dramatically”. That ain’t it.
Moderates would admit that the top 5% are not paying their fair share.
Extreme righties enjoy calling themselves moderates. They are anything, but.
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