Large schools in Kansas City. Play varsity JV Sophomore, Freshman, and at least two games on 8th grade and you will see head coaches in the sideline for almost all of them. Your the one that changed the thread from football is under paid to football vs other sports. I think almost all major varsity sports are on a full year model. I respect all basketball wrestling volleyball and baseball coaches to name a few. They are putting in the work for the most part. But are paid equally to do so. Honestly football coaches make there extra money in the weight room or on extended contracts. It’s not freely given but worked for.
Are HS Football coaches paid fairly?
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Must not be class 1 hc. Jack of all trades at that level, lucky to have one good asst at many schools.
You are absolutely correct sir. Depending on the School District & Importance of (priority of Athletics in the big picture of said school / and district)- Coaches Stipends and or Salary will vary from district to district and if a district has more than one high school - that is a huge variable in Coaches Stipends as well. I’ve been on the inside track of this for almost 40 years. I feel that (from my observations) that football coaches have the most pressure to succeed from not just the school , admin, community and such. The biggest gate revenue sources around me are Football, Basketball and everybody else. I’m not diminishing the efforts of other athletic programs. Every Athletic program I’ve every seen wants to be successful and produce good citizens. Football Coaches have to work not just at the HS; they have to be involved at the MS level; little league levels and even flag football levels if their in a town with one high school. Working year around seems to be the best way to get kids bigger, stronger, faster, more agile, more aggressive. That doesn’t happen august to mid -December. Football coaches I know pick up extended day pay stipends in Spring and summer. Those stipends will vary. I don’t know any coach who does so for the money. Everyone in my circle wants success and has to work year around to get it. People who work in education and coaching are grossly underpaid and in the education realm, your salary or stipend is based upon your levels of education and and years in. I’ve been blessed to have worked with many Head Coaches, Assistant Coaches in all disciplines past and present who were very good at what they do and I never heard a one of them talk about their pay. The biggest thing is having admin support in whatever the program needed- not all schools do this. Look at Springfield- why is this town 159k in population but yet Nixa (maybe 20k people) sports should beat any athletic program from any school in Springfield (exception -2021 KHS basketball) Priorities I guess- right?
I definitely do not believe coaches are over paid and I won’t hate on a coach who has a very high figure contract.
Sure.
I mean typically when one refers to a "profession" they are referring to a job that requires a 4 year degree. Thus the words like "trade school".
BUT...the US military is paying a lot of non-educated peoples.
How is the comparison from Military officers and teaching?
Teachers have ton more time off than many other professions. Have good benefits and an excellent retirement system.
Agree with most of your post, but I will throw out that some of us that coach other sports do the same year round and at all levels with our programs as well. So this is not just something that fb coaches do. If a coach is doing job the right way, they are doing most of this too.
You’re right. There are other coaches that work in different disciplines within the same year. I didn’t put that in there. I’m not diminishing the efforts of anyone that coaches - just pointing out what I see in my environment.
All that time off and the awesome benefits seems to be working if you disregard the 40+% 5-year burnout rates, right?
We will start having major issues filling jobs in the future. Less people going into education, young folks getting out quickly, student behavior, lack of parental involvement, support, etc. all leading to a mess.
It’s a sad state of affairs if you think third grade teachers, softball coaches and seventh grade football coaches are on par with military officers simply because they also happen to have a college degree.
You know one of those degrees from a really difficult institution of higher learning like College of the Ozarks, Missouri Western, Missouri Valley or SBU where regurgitating some gibberish and knowing half a syllabus would earn any halfwit the right to walk away with a degree provided they’re actually willing to show up often enough to get it.
Hopefully you’re not representative of the profession at large — otherwise a better question might be whether or not a significant number of teachers and coaches are overpaid.
Am I the only one who finds it odd that your handle is "mowestern" and you're putting down mo west and other colleges? Mowest has an ROTC program, fyi....
This thread has really jumped the tracks...some coaches are paid appropriately, some are underpaid and some are overpaid.... like every other profession. Generally the cream will rise to the top - and at the larger schools, coaches are compensated for weights, etc... With the NIL, I think we're going to see more hs coaches going as package deals with elite players.
Do they? On a paper calendar yes. But, math is math - 50 weeks a year x 40 hrs a week = 2,000 hours. I contend that most teachers spend 2,000 hours a year too - they just do it in 10 months. You know, like working 3 x 12 type of thing.
I noticed you evaded the question? About 10% of them are officers. Enlisted men women (thank you very much) can be top notch to kids that drop out of school. You want to talk salaries then you can not mix from high school drop out to Masters degree. No one appreciates the Military anymore than I but you can not compare Onions and Bananas. Approximately 10% of a military is officers. "
How many officers are there compared to enlisted?
"...About 180,000 join as enlisted members and 20,000 as officers"
Comparing every enlisted person to every teacher would be like comparing a football player that got cut in training camp to A-A-Ron Rodgers.
In case you missed that I am saying they are not the same.
Do I believe our military should be paid WAY MORE - Yes I do. But there is a significant difference in an enlisted person vs a Lt. Col - I think the reason you did not attempt to answer the question (Military officers vs Teachers IN PAY, is because 1. You did not take the time to look it up. or 2. You know I am right.
Thank you and have a great day.
Good luck K C CHIEFS.
Fact of the matter, is there are coaches out there that are way underpaid in all sports not just football. I see coaches from other sports who put in more time than football coach. Asst. Football coaches get paid more than most other sport Head Coaches. The football coaches that can galvanize a program and bring the school pride to the forefront are priceless. Here is the problem I see and talking to many coaches around the state. Frustration isn't necessarily the stipend pay, its all the other obstacles. Such as, budgets (or lack of), inability to hire new teachers that WILL Coach. Also, coaches that attend local and out of state clinics, usually are paying out of their own pocket. Schools should be taking care of those coaches that are trying to get better and learn. But when a coach is paying out of pocket for hotel, transportation, food, and even some cases the clinic registration fee, there is a reason why the program is probably struggling. Their is a correlation to retaining good coaches. The schools that pay their coaches well and provide the resources for the coaches to be successful usually are...shocker.
