Alabama governor signs chemical castration bill into law
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I'm sure the ACLU will have something to say about it.
While I'm not opposed to chemical castration, that doesn't fix the underlying issue. A large number of pedophiles are only that way because they were perpetrated on as children.
Intensive therapy is probably more appropriate to break the cycle, as often it's not an issue of sexual desire, but of psychological compulsion.
The only real way to "end" pedophilia is to literally kill everyone involved, perp, victim(s), in order to "break the wheel".
The problem with these types of punishments is that our criminal justice system is very, very far from perfect. If the innocent man was never found guilty I would be all in.
I'm sorry that happened man.
The bleak reality is, the perpetrator was probably also a victim of molestation at some point in their childhood. With EXTENSIVE therapy they can overcome it, but the overarching point is, chemical castration is just punishment. It doesn't fix the problem and it doesn't even end the desire or ability to molest kids, because as I've already stated, the problem isnt with their genitals, it's with their brain.
Yes they're monsters, but more often than not they became monsters through their own victimization at the hands of other monsters. That's what the statistics say anyway.
So the question becomes, do you want justice and a solution or vengeance? I'm ok with either, because again, it's a HORRIBLE crime, but let's be honest with what our motives are. I lean toward wanting justice done.
At this point I will take my chances and say guilty means castration. This perp did several x before and justice system failed. Try staying up with a 23 year old female still afraid to sleep
Chemical castration wont stop him from doing it again. I deal with victimized kids all the time, literally almost every day. I'm well versed in the issues you're discussing and my sole point is, if you're interested in justice and potentially fixing the problem, chemical castration is the wrong way to deal with it.
Again, I'm very sorry for your personal pain, but it has no real bearing on this conversation. You want retribution, and that's fine, but that doesn't change the entire point I'm making. It's not a physical compulsion (in the majority of cases), it's psychological. Chemical castration (which isn't even painful, if that's what you're hoping for) does NOTHING but ensure the perpetrator cant breed. That isn't the goal in the first place for a majority of child molesters.
I would argue chemical castration is a COMPLETE waste of time and taxpayer money.
None of this means I don't sympathize, I do, but from a logical perspective it just doesn't accomplish anything.
How are you gonna pay for all this extensive therapy? I'm gonna act like you didn't really say kill all victims of molestation.
How are you gonna pay for all this extensive therapy? I'm gonna act like you didn't really say kill all victims of molestation.
You can act however you want. The victims by and large turn into perpetrators as they get older.
Without extensive therapy the problem tends to turn into a cycle of victimization.
I don't care how it get paid for, my point was I'd MUCH rather my tax dollars go to extensive therapy than chemical castration. I know your reading comprehension skills are limited but the only thing that will "fix" pedophilia is extensive therapy or death. That's reality, don't care if you don't like it.
That's a non-response.
What would you prefer?
If you're in favor of chemical castration, please explain to me, and give some specific examples as to why that is preferable to extensive therapy?
Don't be a putz, I'm not seriously advocating to kill victims of child molestation. Either offer a rebuttal or reply to someone else, I'm tired of trying to guide grandpa back to the point...
You mentioned it more than once and not one time did it appear you weren't serious. You even mentioned more than once to a person that said his daughter was a victim. Why wouldn't everybody that read that think you were serious? You NEVER have to read anything I type, you CHOOSE to, then you reply because you ARE Donald J. Trump and YOU have to be right ALL the time!
Dude, the ONLY time I respond to you is AFTER you've responded to something I posted. Facts.
Saying something is another option doesnt mean I'm advocating for that option. My ENTIRE point, was and is that chemical castration doesn't solve the problem. It's meant as punishment, but it fails in that regard unless you consider taking away the ability to procreate a punishment.
You can't hide from what you said but nice try. Go back and read the last line in YOUR reply to the first post on this thread and tell us it's not not what you really believe.
Few questions:
1. If the perpetrator is female, does this mean she never gets out of prison since there is nothing to "castrate"?
2. If a child perpetrates on another child, is the juvenile who perpetrated required to be chemically castrated?
3. If someone has been molested, and then the psychological compulsion makes them act out their trauma on someone else, are they a victim, a perpetrator, or both? Do they deserve treatment for THEIR trauma or do we just consider them monsters who deserve punishment?
I'll leave you with this, we call it the "Criminal JUSTICE System" not the "Criminal Punishment System" the ENTIRE point is that people get justice both in regard to crimes they've committed and crimes committed against them.
If someone is just a monster who likes victimizing kids, bury them beneath the prison. If they're acting out their trauma, in my opinion they deserve treatment. Yes there should be a prison sentence for traumatizing others, but at some point we have to break the cycle. Castration is cruel and unusual in that it serves no purpose, it doesnt stop the compulsion and it doesnt stop the ability to perpetrate on kids. That isn't justice.
1. If the perpetrator is female, does this mean she never gets out of prison since there is nothing to "castrate"?
2. If a child perpetrates on another child, is the juvenile who perpetrated required to be chemically castrated?
3. If someone has been molested, and then the psychological compulsion makes them act out their trauma on someone else, are they a victim, a perpetrator, or both? Do they deserve treatment for THEIR trauma or do we just consider them monsters who deserve punishment?
I'll leave you with this, we call it the "Criminal JUSTICE System" not the "Criminal Punishment System" the ENTIRE point is that people get justice both in regard to crimes they've committed and crimes committed against them.
If someone is just a monster who likes victimizing kids, bury them beneath the prison. If they're acting out their trauma, in my opinion they deserve treatment. Yes there should be a prison sentence for traumatizing others, but at some point we have to break the cycle. Castration is cruel and unusual in that it serves no purpose, it doesnt stop the compulsion and it doesnt stop the ability to perpetrate on kids. That isn't justice.
Yeah and I stand by that statement. The only 100% proof positive way to ensure the cycle ends it to kill off everyone involved.
The only 100% proof positive way to not get pregnant is abstinence, but I'm not advocating for that either.
Making the (true) statement doesn't mean that's what I think we should do. But your entire line of questioning/assertions are a red herring. Just a stupid attempt to divert from the overall point.
So you think the ONLY people that will ever abuse others are those that have been abused?
So you think the ONLY people that will ever abuse others are those that have been abused?
The likelyhood of it happening is significantly higher than just a random person who was never molested.
Not every kid who was molested will become a child molester, but almost every child molester was molested.
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You just stick to your ridiculous ideas on this subject while you talk about how bad a political party and everyone that votes for any of them must be.
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You just stick to your ridiculous ideas on this subject while you talk about how bad a political party and everyone that votes for any of them must be.
My "ridiculous ideas" are backed by the scientific and psychiatric communities...you offer no proof, just you saying "nuh-uh" because you disagree with EVERYTHING I say, just to be disagreeable.
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030206/do-sexually-abused-kids-become-abusers
https://www.google.com/amp/s/medium.com/amp/p/ca9ac382174
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/pedophilia?amp
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You just stick to your ridiculous ideas on this subject while you talk about how bad a political party and everyone that votes for any of them must be.
I have a feeling DDs position is likely supported by Dems FAR more than Pubs.
I mean probably. I'm interested in justice as much or more than I am in punishment. Especially when the overwhelming majority of people involved in those cases are victims.
You are entitled to your opinion on this matter just like any other. I'm not even saying there is anything wrong with your opinion. My point is that 3R is hounding you about a position you hold that is more liberal than conservative.
Exactly. He sees that I'm the person posting and immediately goes into oppositional mode.
You don't think there think there is anything wrong with his position, REALLY????
My position is therapy and treatment are preferable to chemical castration.
Dear God, learn to understand what you read. Read every post again and if you think my position is actually "kill them all" then there's really no hope for you. Literally everyone else knows what I was getting at.
Do you know castration is the answer? I prefer to lock them up or knock them in the head to ensure safety.
Just because he thinks therapy works doesn't mean he's wrong.
I didn't say anything about the castration either way. HE said "kill them all" on several occasions being the ONLY way to fix the problem. He mentions therapy as an alternative he obviously thinks doesn't really work.
Go back and read the last line of the second post in this thread where he says the only way to end pedophilia is literally to kill everyone involved. YOU read that and tell where I'm wrong about what he wrote/thinks!
Yes, cling to one line that I repeated once. How many times did I mention intensive therapy instead of chemical castration?
Let me make this super easy for you.
Do you support chemical castration or intensive therapy and treatment?
It's literally a one or the other proposition and yet I'm sure you'll find a way to screw it up.
WHAT!!!???? I shouldn't be surprised you stick up for him no matter what since you do the same with Trump.
Interesting that you conveniently decided not to reply to my last post. But that wouldn't push your narrative would it?
I don't don't really have an a opinion on the matter except I'm sure that killing all involved is NOT the answer.
So if you kill the molested, and the molester, you are exterminating 50% innocent people. Horrible.
But by your vote, you condone killing 100% innocent people through abortion. Please explain.
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