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ahem, can I get a dabble of 8 man talk going on?
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Were still talkin' bout 8 man? YAWN
We will get to see a little bit about the WEMO this week. Osceola plays North Andrew.
Appleton City looks like they might be the best 8 man team down here at this point.
Appleton City looks like they might be the best 8 man team down here at this point.
Another big win for the Raiders, and yet they still are sitting 3rd in the District standings. Also found it strange that Pattonsburg is sitting 2nd in their district undefeated with 1 loss Worth County above them.
2019-2020 8-Man Football Class 1 District 1
Team Record Points
Appleton City with Montrose, Ballard (5-0) 46.35
Drexel with Miami (4-1) 40.6
Osceola (3-2) 34.1
Liberal with Bronaugh (3-2) 33.89
Rich Hill with Hume (2-3) 25.84
Northwest (Hughesville) with Sacred Heart (1-4) 20.2
Chilhowee with Leeton (0-5) 12
2019-2020 8-Man Football Class 1 District 2
Team Record Points
Orrick (4-1) 41.7
Southwest (Livingston County) with Hale, Tina-Avalon (4-1) 40.5
North Shelby (4-1) 39.22
Norborne with Hardin-Central (2-3) 23.94
Stewartsville with Osborn (1-4) 19.7
Braymer with Breckenridge (0-5) 13
2019-2020 8-Man Football Class 1 District 3
Team Record Points
Worth County with Northeast Nodaway (4-1) 46.33
Pattonsburg with Gilman City, North Harrison (5-0) 45.28
Albany (3-2) 34.6
Stanberry (2-3) 25.08
King City with Union Star (1-4) 21.2
South Nodaway with Jefferson (Conception) (1-4) 18.2
North Nodaway with West Nodaway (0-5) 11.5
2019-2020 8-Man Football Class 1 District 4
Team Record Points
Tarkio with Fairfax (5-0) 48.5
Mound City with Craig (4-1) 39.8
North Andrew (3-2) 36.92
Rock Port (3-2) 33.5
South Holt with Nodaway-Holt (2-3) 29.7
DeKalb (2-3) 25
Bishop LeBlond (1-3) 22.36
Bracket rotation - D1 winner v D4 winner - D2 winner v D3 winner
Click on the team name to see their mshsaa.org web page.
2019-2020 8-Man Football Class 1 District 1
Team Record Points
Appleton City with Montrose, Ballard (5-0) 46.35
Drexel with Miami (4-1) 40.6
Osceola (3-2) 34.1
Liberal with Bronaugh (3-2) 33.89
Rich Hill with Hume (2-3) 25.84
Northwest (Hughesville) with Sacred Heart (1-4) 20.2
Chilhowee with Leeton (0-5) 12
2019-2020 8-Man Football Class 1 District 2
Team Record Points
Orrick (4-1) 41.7
Southwest (Livingston County) with Hale, Tina-Avalon (4-1) 40.5
North Shelby (4-1) 39.22
Norborne with Hardin-Central (2-3) 23.94
Stewartsville with Osborn (1-4) 19.7
Braymer with Breckenridge (0-5) 13
2019-2020 8-Man Football Class 1 District 3
Team Record Points
Worth County with Northeast Nodaway (4-1) 46.33
Pattonsburg with Gilman City, North Harrison (5-0) 45.28
Albany (3-2) 34.6
Stanberry (2-3) 25.08
King City with Union Star (1-4) 21.2
South Nodaway with Jefferson (Conception) (1-4) 18.2
North Nodaway with West Nodaway (0-5) 11.5
2019-2020 8-Man Football Class 1 District 4
Team Record Points
Tarkio with Fairfax (5-0) 48.5
Mound City with Craig (4-1) 39.8
North Andrew (3-2) 36.92
Rock Port (3-2) 33.5
South Holt with Nodaway-Holt (2-3) 29.7
DeKalb (2-3) 25
Bishop LeBlond (1-3) 22.36
Bracket rotation - D1 winner v D4 winner - D2 winner v D3 winner
Click on the team name to see their mshsaa.org web page.
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I think Worth County played an 11 man game against Bedford, IA. 10 point bonus maybe?
Makes sense. Never even bothered to look at how 8 man was broken down when they rolled out the latest format.
Perhaps they count as a larger class of 8 man in another state? Without doing the math, it wouldn't appear at a glance that there's that much difference in opponents record nor winning margin to make up for the loss.
Probably not. Iowa has just one class of 8-man (only to be PC, they call it 8-Player).
I guess this week will be East Atchison’s big test against Mound City. I thought they played worth County this year but they don’t and they don’t even have them in their district either.
Makes no sense.
Worth County is 4-1.
20 points for a win, 10 points for a loss divided by total games = 80 +10 / 5 = 18.
Worth County's opponents record is 8-13 not including games with Worth County.
20 points for a win, 10 points for a loss divided by total games = 160 + 130 / 21 = 13.81.
In Worth County's 4 wins, all were by 13 or more. Their 1 loss was by 8. ((13 * 4) - 8) / 5 = 8.8.
Apparently no Class multiplier.
Total points = 18 + 13.81 + 8.8 = 40.61. MSHSAA has it as 46.33.
Pattonsburg is 5-0
20 points for a win, 10 points for a loss divided by total games = 100 + 0 / 5 = 20.
Pattonsburg's opponents record is 7-12 not including games with Pattonsburg.
20 points for a win, 10 points for a loss divided by total games = 140 + 120 / 19 = 13.68.
In Pattonsburg's 5 wins, 4 were by 13 or more and 1 by 6. ((13 * 4) + 6) / 5 = 11.6.
Apparently no Class multiplier
Total points = 20 + 13.68 + 11.6 = 45.28. MSHSAA has it also at 45.28.
There were no overtime losses in either team's resume. Just a FYI, those count as 15 in both your record and opponents record calculations instead of a loss.
Only variable I see is the Bedford IA loss for Worth County. First, MSHSAA has no record listed for them (they are in fact 3-3 and I included that minus the Worth County win in their calculation above). If you take that out, the point total actually goes down to 40.55. Second, to get to 46.33, there's 5.72 missing. To get a Class multiplier to work, it would have to be 28.6 with their record included, or 28.9 without. Those are awarded in multiples of 10 in 11 man football per class, and calculated by total Class multiplier points / total games played. I don't know diddly-poo about Bedford IA, but I feel safe saying they are not worthy of almost 30 points in size differential compared to their Missouri counterparts.
Worth County is 4-1.
20 points for a win, 10 points for a loss divided by total games = 80 +10 / 5 = 18.
Worth County's opponents record is 8-13 not including games with Worth County.
20 points for a win, 10 points for a loss divided by total games = 160 + 130 / 21 = 13.81.
In Worth County's 4 wins, all were by 13 or more. Their 1 loss was by 8. ((13 * 4) - 8) / 5 = 8.8.
Apparently no Class multiplier.
Total points = 18 + 13.81 + 8.8 = 40.61. MSHSAA has it as 46.33.
Pattonsburg is 5-0
20 points for a win, 10 points for a loss divided by total games = 100 + 0 / 5 = 20.
Pattonsburg's opponents record is 7-12 not including games with Pattonsburg.
20 points for a win, 10 points for a loss divided by total games = 140 + 120 / 19 = 13.68.
In Pattonsburg's 5 wins, 4 were by 13 or more and 1 by 6. ((13 * 4) + 6) / 5 = 11.6.
Apparently no Class multiplier
Total points = 20 + 13.68 + 11.6 = 45.28. MSHSAA has it also at 45.28.
There were no overtime losses in either team's resume. Just a FYI, those count as 15 in both your record and opponents record calculations instead of a loss.
Only variable I see is the Bedford IA loss for Worth County. First, MSHSAA has no record listed for them (they are in fact 3-3 and I included that minus the Worth County win in their calculation above). If you take that out, the point total actually goes down to 40.55. Second, to get to 46.33, there's 5.72 missing. To get a Class multiplier to work, it would have to be 28.6 with their record included, or 28.9 without. Those are awarded in multiples of 10 in 11 man football per class, and calculated by total Class multiplier points / total games played. I don't know diddly-poo about Bedford IA, but I feel safe saying they are not worthy of almost 30 points in size differential compared to their Missouri counterparts.
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I was under the impression that you don’t get extra points if the team that you are playing is out of state. It’s treated as a same class game? Maybe that has been changed as well.
I believe they do in 11 man. Still, it should be apples to apples in this case with both playing 8 man. Probably clerical error since the math works fine for Pattonsburg, and they actually are in #1 seed position.
Tarkio is just short of 1,600 population and they’ve been 8 man for almost a decade. This is season #9 for them.
Not being a smartass, but just saying that town size can be misleading as to classification in some cases.
Are we STILL talking 8 man football?? Wake me up when you all are done!!
Current district standings with 1 week to go. Districts listed in playoff bracket order:
District 1
1. Appleton City with Montrose, Ballard (8-0) 46.88
2. Drexel with Miami (6-2) 37.36
3. Liberal with Bronaugh (5-3) 34.07
4. Osceola (4-4) 30.05
5. Rich Hill with Hume (4-4) 30
6. Northwest (Hughesville) with Sacred Heart (1-7) 17.77
7. Chilhowee with Leeton (0-8) 12.89
District 4
1. Tarkio with Fairfax (8-0) 47.55
2. North Andrew (6-2) 41.07
3. Mound City with Craig (6-2) 39.98
4. South Holt with Nodaway-Holt (4-4) 32.02
5. Rock Port (4-4) 30.34
6. DeKalb (3-5) 24.18
7. Bishop LeBlond (2-5) 22.19
District 2
1. Southwest (Livingston County) with Hale, Tina-Avalon (7-1) 42.55
2. North Shelby (7-1) 40.52
3. Orrick (6-2) 39.23
4. Norborne with Hardin-Central (4-4) 28.64
5. Stewartsville with Osborn (2-6) 20.84
6. Braymer with Breckenridge (0-8) 11.73
District 3
1. Pattonsburg with Gilman City, North Harrison (7-1) 43.66
2. Worth County with Northeast Nodaway (5-3) 38.34
3. Albany (5-3) 32.54
4. Stanberry (2-6) 22.51
5. King City with Union Star (2-6) 22.39
6. South Nodaway with Jefferson (Conception) (2-6) 21.52
7. North Nodaway with West Nodaway (1-7) 15.53
District 1
1. Appleton City with Montrose, Ballard (8-0) 46.88
2. Drexel with Miami (6-2) 37.36
3. Liberal with Bronaugh (5-3) 34.07
4. Osceola (4-4) 30.05
5. Rich Hill with Hume (4-4) 30
6. Northwest (Hughesville) with Sacred Heart (1-7) 17.77
7. Chilhowee with Leeton (0-8) 12.89
District 4
1. Tarkio with Fairfax (8-0) 47.55
2. North Andrew (6-2) 41.07
3. Mound City with Craig (6-2) 39.98
4. South Holt with Nodaway-Holt (4-4) 32.02
5. Rock Port (4-4) 30.34
6. DeKalb (3-5) 24.18
7. Bishop LeBlond (2-5) 22.19
District 2
1. Southwest (Livingston County) with Hale, Tina-Avalon (7-1) 42.55
2. North Shelby (7-1) 40.52
3. Orrick (6-2) 39.23
4. Norborne with Hardin-Central (4-4) 28.64
5. Stewartsville with Osborn (2-6) 20.84
6. Braymer with Breckenridge (0-8) 11.73
District 3
1. Pattonsburg with Gilman City, North Harrison (7-1) 43.66
2. Worth County with Northeast Nodaway (5-3) 38.34
3. Albany (5-3) 32.54
4. Stanberry (2-6) 22.51
5. King City with Union Star (2-6) 22.39
6. South Nodaway with Jefferson (Conception) (2-6) 21.52
7. North Nodaway with West Nodaway (1-7) 15.53
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I put this in Pick Em at the last minute. Interesting to note North Shelby has not lost a MO 8 man game............should they advance to the District title game THAT (at SW Livingston) could be one of the hardest to figure in this class all season.
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How are we STILL talking about this?? Did we all wake up from our naps???
District 4
1. Tarkio with Fairfax (8-0) 47.55
2. North Andrew (6-2) 41.07
3. Mound City with Craig (6-2) 39.98
4. South Holt with Nodaway-Holt (4-4) 32.02
5. Rock Port (4-4) 30.34
6. DeKalb (3-5) 24.18
7. Bishop LeBlond (2-5) 22.19
As someone who complained about leblond moving down seeing them in last in there district makes me second guess my thoughts on it. Seems like 8-man was the right place for them to play in.
1. Tarkio with Fairfax (8-0) 47.55
2. North Andrew (6-2) 41.07
3. Mound City with Craig (6-2) 39.98
4. South Holt with Nodaway-Holt (4-4) 32.02
5. Rock Port (4-4) 30.34
6. DeKalb (3-5) 24.18
7. Bishop LeBlond (2-5) 22.19
As someone who complained about leblond moving down seeing them in last in there district makes me second guess my thoughts on it. Seems like 8-man was the right place for them to play in.
Didn't North Andrew win a couple of state titles not to long ago? Don't remember the coach but they dominated for a stretch.
Yes, they were big and athletic. Strong in basketball and baseball as well. Stanberry was strong at that time as well.
Appleton City I think won 2-3 games last year and now are 8-0. Have been 8 man in the past and went back and forth. Liberal is 5-3? Lost in their district final last year
This will be an interesting district to watch. East Atchison(Tarkio w/Fairfax) is the obvious favorite, but could see them vs Mound City or North Andrew for the district title.
I personally believe as far as the state championship goes, we’re looking at East Atchison, Pattonsburg, Southwest, Appleton City or North Shelby.
I have not seen even half of all the teams.
In District 4 I think it will be hard for EA to beat Mound City twice. EA/Tarkio is very good, lots of older kids with good leadership. North Andrew is quietly pretty good too, having lost a game to Pattonsburg by 6 or 8 and North Shelby after getting shut out in the second half, after being up big in the first half, and winning big last week against woco. I think Mound City and North Andrew both have a legitimate chance to win the district, and I'm going to favor Mound City in a rematch over EA...but EA is very good.
In D3, Factor in the typically very cold temperatures, possible snow, wind...not sure how the air attack will hold up from Pattonsburg. However, they are a strong favorite, and rightfully so. I think Albany or King City could pull an upset....not for the district title, but in semi finals.
D2... I think this is maybe the 2nd most intriguing district...SW Livingston v. North Shelby...both teams with a powerful and dominant two way player.
D1...Appleton City I guess...honestly don't know much about them or those teams being up in NWMSU Bearcat Country. Look like Drexel played them close in the first matchup though. Wonder if injuries or playing conditions, ineligibility changes the dynamic any? (if there are any of those)
There isn't enough inter-play between the 275 and GRC for me to really get a good gauge on how the top teams stack up in both. That being said, if I had to take a team to win it all today, I'd pick Mound City. Pattonsburg gives up a lot of points and not sure about the air attack down the stretch in pressure games. However, they are definitely good enough to win it all.
I do not think North Shelby or SW Livingston will emerge as the victor, and I
I do agree however, this is by far the most wide-open year in 8 man in a long time. I think it's good for 8 man that the other teams around the state are growing in competitiveness too.
In District 4 I think it will be hard for EA to beat Mound City twice. EA/Tarkio is very good, lots of older kids with good leadership. North Andrew is quietly pretty good too, having lost a game to Pattonsburg by 6 or 8 and North Shelby after getting shut out in the second half, after being up big in the first half, and winning big last week against woco. I think Mound City and North Andrew both have a legitimate chance to win the district, and I'm going to favor Mound City in a rematch over EA...but EA is very good.
In D3, Factor in the typically very cold temperatures, possible snow, wind...not sure how the air attack will hold up from Pattonsburg. However, they are a strong favorite, and rightfully so. I think Albany or King City could pull an upset....not for the district title, but in semi finals.
D2... I think this is maybe the 2nd most intriguing district...SW Livingston v. North Shelby...both teams with a powerful and dominant two way player.
D1...Appleton City I guess...honestly don't know much about them or those teams being up in NWMSU Bearcat Country. Look like Drexel played them close in the first matchup though. Wonder if injuries or playing conditions, ineligibility changes the dynamic any? (if there are any of those)
There isn't enough inter-play between the 275 and GRC for me to really get a good gauge on how the top teams stack up in both. That being said, if I had to take a team to win it all today, I'd pick Mound City. Pattonsburg gives up a lot of points and not sure about the air attack down the stretch in pressure games. However, they are definitely good enough to win it all.
I do not think North Shelby or SW Livingston will emerge as the victor, and I
I do agree however, this is by far the most wide-open year in 8 man in a long time. I think it's good for 8 man that the other teams around the state are growing in competitiveness too.
Seeing North Shelby making it's debut in top's NWMO pick-em got me thinking about what others see as their shot this year? Apparently they have a stud two way player, and are solid in other key positions. Is there a long learing curve to switch from 11 to 8 man 'contending' program (say at least a strong semi appearance)? I'll hang up and listen.
Don't @me @BoosterBosko .
We have one resident poster who doesnt seem to like 8 man. I've never actually even seen an 8 man game. If a town(s) cannot honestly field an 11 man team and not expose the kids to injury, I'm all for it. 8 man gives kids the opportunity to play ball when they other wise might not. Now if the allegations I read on here are true, about schools dropping to 8 man because they cant win in 11 man, then I'm against 8 man.
