And the Birds "should"win 90. Not long ago most of us thought there was no way they would win 90, or that that it might take 90 to win the division. It was looking like 85 could win this division a month or two ago. I don't remember if it was on this board or on the comments on the Cardinal website that someone mentioned Waino would win 20 and someone else said he would have win the rest of his starts to get there. He has been VERY good after a VERY bad stretch.