You got what you wanted...

[Expect2Win]

Are you sure it is what you want?
If ACB is the vote that gets rid of Roe, what will the Republicans fundraise on?
I know there have been suggestions that they don't really want to get rid of it because it gives them an easy thing to fire up the base.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Are you sure it is what you want?
If ACB is the vote that gets rid of Roe, what will the Republicans fundraise on?
I know there have been suggestions that they don't really want to get rid of it because it gives them an easy thing to fire up the base.

I follow you, Expect. Barrett will give the SC another vote to overturn Roe v Wade. Reps count on the Bible Belt vote that votes solely on the abortion issue. That's a huge part of their base.

 

[bullitpdq68]

I follow you, Expect. Barrett will give the SC another vote to overturn Roe v Wade. Reps count on the Bible Belt vote that votes solely on the abortion issue. That's a huge part of their base.

but once that is overturned, what holds the base together?

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Exactly the point!! For decades, the Reps have relied on the abortion issue to give them a significant amount of voters who vote solely on abortion.

 

[Expect2Win]

but once that is overturned, what holds the base together?

Yep, that's what I am asking as well. Does it hurt them in the long run?

 

[bullitpdq68]

Yep, that's what I am asking as well. Does it hurt them in the long run?

I am sure over time they will find something, but I really think this might be the end of the Republican party as we once knew it. Trump started to transform the party right ideas just wrong guy to put alot of them in action. I could see the party transforming into the labor party, Trump started them in that direction. Dems just don't fit that sector anymore with the green liberal wing having more say. So I could see that being the next cause the Pubs take up. If Biden gets elected I look for him to roll back tariffs on China and back to business as usual. My dad who is still a member of the union believes that you will slowly see them roll over to the Pubs as really they don't have much of a home with the Dems anymore. Hard for the Dems to push green deals yet try to appease the blue collar worker.

 

[metro-dude]

I don't see the party becoming pro union but the things the union wants will be found in the Pub party. Things like job protections (keeping jobs American), job growth, etc.
It has always been an illusion that Dems were about the working man. They used the working man just like they used African Americans. They always promised but never delivered. Trump has delivered much of what Dems have promised and now many eyes have been opened.

Chris, could you give an example of what Trump has delivered other then losing over a 160 thousand jobs with more on the way unless the give away are increased.

Chris, here is another one for you to answer.

Can you rank the highest stock market percentage rise for our last 4 presidents? One of the Republican had a 31 % decrease in the New York Stock Exchange.

1. Bill Clinton-------Democrat
2. Barack Obama--Democrat
3. Don Trump-------Republican
4. George Bush-----Republican

 

[bullitpdq68]

Chris, could you give an example of what Trump has delivered other then losing over a 160 thousand jobs with more on the way unless the give away are increased.

Chris, here is another one for you to answer.

Can you rank the highest stock market percentage rise for our last 4 presidents? One of the Republican had a 31 % decrease in the New York Stock Exchange.

1. Bill Clinton-------Democrat
2. Barack Obama--Democrat
3. Don Trump-------Republican
4. George Bush-----Republican

Sort of tells you right there who the Dems are looking out for..... Not the blue collar workers the Fat cat CEO's.

Just because the stock market is doing good doesn't mean all of America is....

 

[bullitpdq68]

I don't see the party becoming pro union but the things the union wants will be found in the Pub party. Things like job protections (keeping jobs American), job growth, etc.
It has always been an illusion that Dems were about the working man. They used the working man just like they used African Americans. They always promised but never delivered. Trump has delivered much of what Dems have promised and now many eyes have been opened.

Not saying the will be pro Union either, just that what they are doing is supporting those who work for unions more so than the Dems.

 

[bullitpdq68]

Chris, could you give an example of what Trump has delivered other then losing over a 160 thousand jobs with more on the way unless the give away are increased.

Chris, here is another one for you to answer.

Can you rank the highest stock market percentage rise for our last 4 presidents? One of the Republican had a 31 % decrease in the New York Stock Exchange.

1. Bill Clinton-------Democrat
2. Barack Obama--Democrat
3. Don Trump-------Republican
4. George Bush-----Republican

While not huge he actually did try to rewrite NAFTA, and while not always on the right side he is trying to take on China more so than any other president. REmember when Biden said there is nothing to fear about China. You do know China and Iran want a Biden presidency they know that it will be business as usual

And Bill Clinton signed NAFTA it into law and Barack Obama said there was nothing wrong with it after campaigning to change it and even did nothing to keep jobs from going to Mexico said there is nothing that can be done. Again Makes you wonder why the Stocks and rich did so well under them.....

 

[kaskaskiakid]

If Reps are so pro union, then why are MO Reps continually trying to cram "Right to Work" down our throats?

 

[metro-dude]

If you are dumb enough to blame Trump for Covid and the shutdowns, you have a point. Othewise you lose on both questions.

Chris, Yes I am dumb enough to place blame on Trump for the Covid-19 situation. Trump had information on Covid-19 and did not act or share with the public. In Fact, Trump called it a " Democrat Hoax " and said, ' It will go away soon while he was telling his circle a completely different thing. Trump still does not have a Covid-19 plan and continues spreading the Virus thru rallies that has no Masks and Social Distancing requirement. Chris, not time have you disagreed with Trump on any issues. That alone places you in the famous 35 % who believe Trump can do wrong.
I will not address you as dumb but I will ask you to review the facts and ask yourself, " Could the Trump Administration have done things differently and saved lives?" I will ask you to address the above situation as an American not Democrat or republican.

Americans will judge Don trump on his job performance next Tuesday. You have stated that Trump will shock the world and win his reelection. I see it differently, i believe Americans have had enough of Don trump.

 

[Expect2Win]

I am sure over time they will find something, but I really think this might be the end of the Republican party as we once knew it. Trump started to transform the party right ideas just wrong guy to put alot of them in action. I could see the party transforming into the labor party, Trump started them in that direction. Dems just don't fit that sector anymore with the green liberal wing having more say. So I could see that being the next cause the Pubs take up. If Biden gets elected I look for him to roll back tariffs on China and back to business as usual. My dad who is still a member of the union believes that you will slowly see them roll over to the Pubs as really they don't have much of a home with the Dems anymore. Hard for the Dems to push green deals yet try to appease the blue collar worker.

I am just not sure that will bring out the visceral reaction that Roe v. Wade does. They will not have that one galvanizing issue that brings out as much as possible. I think it's going to be really hard for them.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

If you are dumb enough to blame Trump for Covid and the shutdowns, you have a point. Othewise you lose on both questions.

What's dumb is believing in a man who lied every step of the way about covid.

 

[metro-dude]

No. There is nothing that could have been done better.
Lives could have been saved by locking up everyone who was sick but that is not something we do in America. Deaths could have been delayed by a complete shutdown but at what cost? Would not consider that an option.
Trump did everything in his power to expedite PPE, hospital readiness, encourage and support medicinal advancement, and develop a vaccine. ALL these things could not have been done better!

Chris, you have posted you opinions for Trumps doing very little or nothing concerning the spread of Covid-19. Trump lied to the American people and did not tell us the dangers of Corvid . This appears to be excepted behavior for you but not everyone agrees with you, in fact, most people do not agree with you.

You have described Don Trump as a person of trust but only a few is in your camp are with you on this one. Don Trump has few friends in New York and the people in New York will vote for Biden. Some of Trumps own family hates the man. I ask you why his own family and the people of New York say he is a crook. You are a " Defender living in a small town in Missouri and don't know the man, why should you have a better opinion of Don Trump then his close relatives and the people of New York who have known Trump for over six decades. Chris, you do not know Don Trump personally, why should we believe you over people who have known Don Trump for more then sixty years?

 

[HomeyR]

I don't consider it lying to try to prevent pandemonia.
Telling everyone to run for the hills wouldn't have saved any lives.

I have not.

Severe denial...

 

[MGHS]

A lot of Modern Rep's don't care about the Abortion issue....We want Strong Economy, Strong Military, Strong Law and Order. A strict adherence to the Constitution as the Law of the Land. And most of All to be American First and to forget about a Globalist Mindset. How we achieve this makes no difference to many.

I do find it Laughable and overtly political to Blame Trump for the local responses of state and municipal gov.....Trump followed the 10th amendment, he did all the things he could do legally, fast tracked a Vaccine, Shut down China as legally as he could, and told people to go about their lives as best they could.

I get it....you really believe that if Trump would of told People to Mask up and Hunker down that they would of. He would of just became hated by his base..

I'm sorry to Burst your bubble but around 40-50 million people where not going to follow the MSM/Leftist party line and cower in fear. They where going to do exactly what they did. IT's called the American Free Spirit. I also understand that a lot of you don't get it, a lot of you fear it, And a lot of you hate those who live that way. But that's the Breaks of Living in a Free Republic with people who want to live free and without the Gov. telling them what to do and how to live. Liberty before Life is a simple and honorable concept. It's what makes American Great.

I think a lot of State and Local Gov. figure that out when even the Police and County Sheriff's where not willing to enforce the laws they saw as unconstitutional. Thank God for the Red states who kept their economy moving forward.

 

[3Rfan]

A lot of Modern Rep's don't care about the Abortion issue....We want Strong Economy, Strong Military, Strong Law and Order. A strict adherence to the Constitution as the Law of the Land. And most of All to be American First and to forget about a Globalist Mindset. How we achieve this makes no difference to many.

I do find it Laughable and overtly political to Blame Trump for the local responses of state and municipal gov.....Trump followed the 10th amendment, he did all the things he could do legally, fast tracked a Vaccine, Shut down China as legally as he could, and told people to go about their lives as best they could.

I get it....you really believe that if Trump would of told People to Mask up and Hunker down that they would of. He would of just became hated by his base..

I'm sorry to Burst your bubble but around 40-50 million people where not going to follow the MSM/Leftist party line and cower in fear. They where going to do exactly what they did. IT's called the American Free Spirit. I also understand that a lot of you don't get it, a lot of you fear it, And a lot of you hate those who live that way. But that's the Breaks of Living in a Free Republic with people who want to live free and without the Gov. telling them what to do and how to live. Liberty before Life is a simple and honorable concept. It's what makes American Great.

I think a lot of State and Local Gov. figure that out when even the Police and County Sheriff's where not willing to enforce the laws they saw as unconstitutional. Thank God for the Red states who kept their economy moving forward.

We've had the strongest military in the world my whole life and we still spend more than any number of countries on it every year. How strong does it have to be to satisfy you?

 

[kaskaskiakid]

A lot of Modern Rep's don't care about the Abortion issue....We want Strong Economy, Strong Military, Strong Law and Order. A strict adherence to the Constitution as the Law of the Land. And most of All to be American First and to forget about a Globalist Mindset. How we achieve this makes no difference to many.

I do find it Laughable and overtly political to Blame Trump for the local responses of state and municipal gov.....Trump followed the 10th amendment, he did all the things he could do legally, fast tracked a Vaccine, Shut down China as legally as he could, and told people to go about their lives as best they could.

I get it....you really believe that if Trump would of told People to Mask up and Hunker down that they would of. He would of just became hated by his base..

I'm sorry to Burst your bubble but around 40-50 million people where not going to follow the MSM/Leftist party line and cower in fear. They where going to do exactly what they did. IT's called the American Free Spirit. I also understand that a lot of you don't get it, a lot of you fear it, And a lot of you hate those who live that way. But that's the Breaks of Living in a Free Republic with people who want to live free and without the Gov. telling them what to do and how to live. Liberty before Life is a simple and honorable concept. It's what makes American Great.

I think a lot of State and Local Gov. figure that out when even the Police and County Sheriff's where not willing to enforce the laws they saw as unconstitutional. Thank God for the Red states who kept their economy moving forward.

Such nonsense, you portray yourself and like-minded thinkers as the only ones that are patriotic because you want herd immunity with covid, and anyone who doesn't agree is anti American. I say you are the unpatriotic ones because you won't make a few sacrifices for your fellow American for another 6 months until a vaccine is approved. Wear a mask, social distance, and avoid large gatherings...I'm willing to do that for you and your family, but you are not willing to do that for mine.

 

[3Rfan]

It mostly isn't about spending as much as support and pride.
There is the idea though that developing better weapons can save troop lives.

How can it not be about spending. We have, and have had, a far superior military for decades. Much of the money we spend on the military now is not about keeping us safe, it's about lining pockets. If you wanna do something to support them how about giving the lower level folks a raise instead of giving that money to military contractors.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Our $770 billion on defense is more than the next 13 countries combined. Think about that.......

 

[Arcola]

Our $770 billion on defense is more than the next 13 countries combined. Think about that.......

Can you post the link to the list?
Thanks

 

[SadButTrue]

https://www.pgpf.org/sites/default/files/defense-spending-blog-chart-1.jpg

 

[Arcola]

Thanks for sharing. Can we really believe China and Russia’s numbers? Or a few others? Add to this North Korea and Iranian concerns. I know I am over simplifying but that is part of why we spend so much.

 

[hb1025]

Our $770 billion on defense is more than the next 13 countries combined. Think about that.......

China spends roughly $ 100 /month per soldier while the US spends roughly $1700/month
Labor is way cheaper in China than the US
US spends roughly 12-15% of their budget on R&D (research and development
The US spends over 42% of its total budget on benefits and pay for its 3 million military and civilian employees-the single largest employer in the US

Just a couple facts

 

[kaskaskiakid]

OK, let's say you are correct and the defense is justified. What in the hell are we doing to pay for it? Nobody wants to pay more taxes. Reps are screaming about Biden raising taxes. Even before covid, our deficit was growing on record pace, thanks in large part to revenue lost by the tax cuts. We're about to add another $2-3 trillion in stimulus money. We cannot continue to run our country on borrowed money.

Today, defense spending accounts for 15% of all federal spending. For decades including during the Cold War, defense spending remained at 5-10% of all federal spending. Right now, the Pentagon has carte blanche with the checkbook.

 

[hb1025]

I'm sure the Defense budget can be trimmed , just like every other budget can be.If Biden wins it will be trimmed.Just pointing out that it's not all planes,ships and tanks that make the Defense budget so high

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Yeah, I know. What the hell do I care about national debt?? Send me my stimulus check. I need a vacation, preferably away from politics and covid for a month.

 

[3Rfan]

I'm sure the Defense budget can be trimmed , just like every other budget can be.If Biden wins it will be trimmed.Just pointing out that it's not all planes,ships and tanks that make the Defense budget so high

Wonder what our shiny new nuke missiles cost that Trump is bragging about even though the Pentagon really wishes hadn't mentioned it. How many times over do need to be able to destroy the world? If it ever comes that contest who be around to know who won?

 

[Angeleyes74]

Wonder what our shiny new nuke missiles cost that Trump is bragging about even though the Pentagon really wishes hadn't mentioned it. How many times over do need to be able to destroy the world? If it ever comes that contest who be around to know who won?

Nuclear weapons are complex mechanical devices. thousands of them in our inventory are decades old and ancient technology. It is imperative they are scrapped and replaced with modern devices.

 

[MGHS]

We've had the strongest military in the world my whole life and we still spend more than any number of countries on it every year. How strong does it have to be to satisfy you?

I will never be satisfied....Period....

 

[MGHS]

Such nonsense, you portray yourself and like-minded thinkers as the only ones that are patriotic because you want herd immunity with covid, and anyone who doesn't agree is anti American. I say you are the unpatriotic ones because you won't make a few sacrifices for your fellow American for another 6 months until a vaccine is approved. Wear a mask, social distance, and avoid large gatherings...I'm willing to do that for you and your family, but you are not willing to do that for mine.

I wear mask in public and social distance from strangers. So I'm clearly protecting your Family and mine, I'm not sure what your beef is...The difference between me and you is that I'm 100% fine with others doing what ever the HECK THEY WANT!! It's on me to keep ME and Mine safe. As it's on you to keep You and Yours safe.....Take some responsibility and stop expecting others to Protect you and yours.

It's not hard or complicated to wear Mask, and social distance from those who don't. I mean really where are you afraid to go that you are going to be forced to be around Non-mask wears within 6 feet for over 15 min. at a time?

I'm a realist and As far as a Vaccine as I pointed out that is a Hippie dippy pie in the sky pacify the masses thing for the most part. The Vaccine being more than 40% effective is not very high. Even coming up with a Vaccine in 6 months is suspect and more propaganda to give hope than Reality.

I get it, the reality of the situation is a Bitter Pill to swallow. But life must go on and Freedom is worth Millions of Lives.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

I'm a realist and As far as a Vaccine as I pointed out that is a Hippie dippy pie in the sky pacify the masses thing for the most part. The Vaccine being more than 40% effective is not very high. Even coming up with a Vaccine in 6 months is suspect and more propaganda to give hope than Reality.

Citation????

 

[3Rfan]

I will never be satisfied....Period....

Why does it matter who gets wiped out first? We'll get ours off even if they send theirs first and anybody left to know about it ain't gonna have a very nice time trying to survive in what's left of the world.

 

[MGHS]

Citation????

It may be time to reset expectations on when we'll get a Covid-19 vaccine

The ambitious drive to produce Covid-19 vaccine at warp speed seems to be running up against reality.

www.statnews.com

 

[MGHS]

Why does it matter who gets wiped out first? We'll get ours off even if they send theirs first and anybody left to know about it ain't gonna have a very nice time trying to survive in what's left of the world.

And your point is? You really believe across a planet of nearly 8 billion with limited resources and a multitude of Cultures, Political system, religious beliefs and such we can all just get along by holding hands and singing kumbaya?

That is a pretty innocent way of thinking...Staying out in front of all others with our War Machine is Paramount to our way of life. We have it they all(world) clearly want it and they are working hard and willing to take it. The only way to stop them is through Overt Power and Force to make the outcome of in action against our interest unpalatable.

I have almost a Zero concern about a Nuclear war, will people survive it it happened ? Yes, but that world would be distasteful to all,thus making it's likely hood pretty slim. But we must have that threat and the utmost ability to protect our shores and the ability to invade and fight a 2 front engagement around the world. We want our military to have the most technological advanced equipment and supplies on this planet. Again tipping all most all engagements in our favor.

Thus the budget must be massive.