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Why do people hate Notre Dame?

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Besides being constantly overrated and getting billions of dollars worth of recruiting publicity from NBC, they get no flag on a potential game deciding onside kick

 
There aren’t many teams that I specifically ‘dislike’ but Notre Dame is one of them. I have no good specific reason either. I just see ND football as a favored great grandchild trust fund baby that gets propped up as something extra special when it’s not.

Or maybe they are something special and the joke is on me?
 
I have a tendency to root for schools with high academic standards. The academies, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Boston college, etc.

I just admire those kind of players.
Thanks, that is a good perspective!
 
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Welcome.
That being said, I can’t deny Notre Dame is almost always overrated and over publicized.

Still, I’d root for them over Big State U that serves players as a slim opportunity to the NFL while requiring a pulse and the ability to color in between the lines for admission...and a diploma.

I remember watching Stanford a couple of years ago. I noticed this d Lineman making all kinds of plays. Towards the end of the game, the announcer comes on and says “And now for today’s Chevrolet Player of The Game: Antonio Whateveritwas - a biochemistry major with a 3.8 GPA and is beginning his second year of medical school at Stanford”.

I mean...how could you not admire and root for kids like that?
I wish colleges would outlaw all athletic scholarships and have true “student athletes”. field a team with kids that actually are going to college for an education

Let the NFL take players right out of grade school if they want to
 
This is pretty cool list several sports.

What Are Your Odds of Making the Pros?



What good young athlete doesn't dream of playing pro sports? The allure is intoxicating, especially for the talented, and it can warp judgment.


In fact, high school players who reach the pros are almost as rare as lottery winners, so virtually every student-athlete should have a backup: an education. That's a key message of the movie Coach Carter, yet it's easy to ignore in a society that focuses more on immediate gains than enduring ones.


So what are the probabilities of a pro career? Below are some numbers, from the NCAA. They show the chance of getting drafted by a major league team, not of playing, so the true odds are even lower:


Men's Basketball

-- High school senior players who go on to play NCAA men`s basketball: Less than one in 35, or 2.9 percent.


-- NCAA senior players drafted by an NBA team: Less than one in 75, or 1.3 percent.


-- High school senior players eventually drafted by an NBA team: About three in 10,000, or 0.03 percent. That's roughly the chance of getting four of a kind in the first round of draw poker.


Women`s Basketball

-- High school senior players who go on to play NCAA women's basketball: About three in 100, or 3.1 percent.


-- NCAA senior players drafted by a WNBA team: About one in 100, or 1.0 percent.


-- High school senior players eventually drafted by a WNBA team: About one in 5,000, or 0.02 percent.

That's the chance that a killer asteroid will destroy civilization in the next century, according to Princeton astronomers.


Football

--High school senior players who go on to play NCAA men's football: About one in 17, or 5.8 percent.


-- NCAA senior players drafted by an NFL team: About one in 50, or 2.0 percent.


-- High school senior players eventually drafted by an NFL team: About nine in 10,000, or 0.09 percent.

That's about the chance you have an IQ above 150, as measured by the Stanford-Binet test. The average IQ of Ph.D. students is 130.


Baseball

--High school senior players who go on to play NCAA men`s baseball: Less than three in 50, or 5.6 percent


-- NCAA senior players drafted by a Major League Baseball (MLB) team: Less than eleven in 100, or 10.5 percent.


-- High school senior players eventually drafted by an MLB team: About one in 200, or 0.5 percent. Drafted baseball players almost always go to a minor league team. These teams abound; there are over 150 of them, compared to 30 in the majors. The big leagues have 750 players, yet the 2004 draft alone took 1,500. Hence some estimate that only one in 33 minor leaguers ever makes it to the pros. If that's correct, the chance of a high school player making the big leagues is one in 6,600, or 0.015 percent. That's roughly the chance of a thief guessing your PIN number on the first try.


Men's Ice Hockey

-- High school senior players who go on to play NCAA men's ice hockey: Less than thirteen in 100, or about 12.9 percent.


-- NCAA senior players drafted by an NHL team: Less than 1 in 24, or 4.1 percent.


-- High school senior players eventually drafted by an NHL team: About one in 250, or 0.4 percent. That's the chance of flipping heads eight times in a row.


Men's Soccer

-- High school senior players who go on to play NCAA men's soccer: Less than three in 50, or 5.7 percent.


-- NCAA senior players drafted by a Major League Soccer (MLS) team: Less than one in 50, or 1.9 percent.


-- High school senior players eventually drafted by an MLS team: About one in 1,250, or 0.08 percent. That's about the chance that tomorrow will be February 29.


reprinted from: http://www.charactercenter.com/Insight/InsightMarch2.htm

sources: www.ncaa.org/research/, www.dailynebraskan.com, and the Josephson Institute's PVWH Sportsmanship Newsleter, Feb. 05



A study by the NCAA concluded:

“Sadly though, it comes as a rude surprise to many athletes yearning for a professional sports career to learn that the odds against success are astronomically high. Approximately 1 percent of NCAA men’s basketball players and 2 percent of NCAA football players are drafted by NBA or NFL teams – and just being drafted is no assurance of a successful professional career. “Student-athletes” whose sole and now failed objective was to make the pros suddenly find themselves in a world that demands skills their universities did not require them to learn.”
 
I wish colleges would outlaw all athletic scholarships and have true “student athletes”. field a team with kids that actually are going to college for an education

Let the NFL take players right out of grade school if they want to

Exactly why I have been migrating to the smaller college divisions to supplement my high school football diet. Anyone who doesn't realize how coddled the athletes are (academically and in addition to many other perks) at Div. 1 schools is in denial or living in a fantasy world. IF they faced the same academic rigor as the rest of the student body and received no special help there would be a good number not succeed.

I'm thinking it is about time we consider, I say consider, discontinuing the play for pay model of sponsorship of so called amateur athletics (scholarships-using taxpayer money) from colleges and universities.

The communities that benefit from the weekend cash stuffing can field semi-pro teams and continue the weekend traditions if they wish. The players can be paid for their labor and benefit from the use of their likeness. They can even go to school part time and in the off season and pay full tuition like every other student there and everyone will be happy!

p. s. already chuckling about some expected responses.
 
Last year I posted an article of a study to identify the most over rated college football programs in history. They compared where teams were rated pre season to their final records and also looked at which teams dropped the least with a loss.
Ohio State was way up there. The five most over-rated?

1. Notre Dame
2. Michigan
3. Texas
4. Georgia
5 Oregon

The most under-rated program?

1. Missouri Tigers
 
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Since you asked..

1) Arrogant entitled fan base. Newsflash: ND hasn't done jack in 25 years.
2) Schedule is an absolute joke. IDC how good USC was in the 60's and when Carrol was cheating.
3) Coach is a bona fide jerk. He went 4-8 his 7th season there. Not like he's Saban or Dabo.
4) Fans.
5) O V E R R A T E D year after year.
6) Fans.
 
Since you asked..

1) Arrogant entitled fan base. Newsflash: ND hasn't done jack in 25 years.
2) Schedule is an absolute joke. IDC how good USC was in the 60's and when Carrol was cheating.
3) Coach is a bona fide jerk. He went 4-8 his 7th season there. Not like he's Saban or Dabo.
4) Fans.
5) O V E R R A T E D year after year.
6) Fans.

And the coach killed a kid.
 
Last year I posted an article of a study to identify the most over rated college football programs in history. They compared where teams were rated pre season to their final records and also looked at which teams dropped the least with a loss.
Ohio State was way up there. The five most over-rated?

1. Notre Dame
2. Michigan
3. Texas
4. Georgia
5 Oregon

The most under-rated program?

1. Missouri Tigers
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This is pretty cool list several sports.

What Are Your Odds of Making the Pros?



What good young athlete doesn't dream of playing pro sports? The allure is intoxicating, especially for the talented, and it can warp judgment.


In fact, high school players who reach the pros are almost as rare as lottery winners, so virtually every student-athlete should have a backup: an education. That's a key message of the movie Coach Carter, yet it's easy to ignore in a society that focuses more on immediate gains than enduring ones.


So what are the probabilities of a pro career? Below are some numbers, from the NCAA. They show the chance of getting drafted by a major league team, not of playing, so the true odds are even lower:


Men's Basketball

-- High school senior players who go on to play NCAA men`s basketball: Less than one in 35, or 2.9 percent.


-- NCAA senior players drafted by an NBA team: Less than one in 75, or 1.3 percent.


-- High school senior players eventually drafted by an NBA team: About three in 10,000, or 0.03 percent. That's roughly the chance of getting four of a kind in the first round of draw poker.


Women`s Basketball

-- High school senior players who go on to play NCAA women's basketball: About three in 100, or 3.1 percent.


-- NCAA senior players drafted by a WNBA team: About one in 100, or 1.0 percent.


-- High school senior players eventually drafted by a WNBA team: About one in 5,000, or 0.02 percent.

That's the chance that a killer asteroid will destroy civilization in the next century, according to Princeton astronomers.


Football

--High school senior players who go on to play NCAA men's football: About one in 17, or 5.8 percent.


-- NCAA senior players drafted by an NFL team: About one in 50, or 2.0 percent.


-- High school senior players eventually drafted by an NFL team: About nine in 10,000, or 0.09 percent.

That's about the chance you have an IQ above 150, as measured by the Stanford-Binet test. The average IQ of Ph.D. students is 130.


Baseball

--High school senior players who go on to play NCAA men`s baseball: Less than three in 50, or 5.6 percent


-- NCAA senior players drafted by a Major League Baseball (MLB) team: Less than eleven in 100, or 10.5 percent.


-- High school senior players eventually drafted by an MLB team: About one in 200, or 0.5 percent. Drafted baseball players almost always go to a minor league team. These teams abound; there are over 150 of them, compared to 30 in the majors. The big leagues have 750 players, yet the 2004 draft alone took 1,500. Hence some estimate that only one in 33 minor leaguers ever makes it to the pros. If that's correct, the chance of a high school player making the big leagues is one in 6,600, or 0.015 percent. That's roughly the chance of a thief guessing your PIN number on the first try.


Men's Ice Hockey

-- High school senior players who go on to play NCAA men's ice hockey: Less than thirteen in 100, or about 12.9 percent.


-- NCAA senior players drafted by an NHL team: Less than 1 in 24, or 4.1 percent.


-- High school senior players eventually drafted by an NHL team: About one in 250, or 0.4 percent. That's the chance of flipping heads eight times in a row.


Men's Soccer

-- High school senior players who go on to play NCAA men's soccer: Less than three in 50, or 5.7 percent.


-- NCAA senior players drafted by a Major League Soccer (MLS) team: Less than one in 50, or 1.9 percent.


-- High school senior players eventually drafted by an MLS team: About one in 1,250, or 0.08 percent. That's about the chance that tomorrow will be February 29.


reprinted from: http://www.charactercenter.com/Insight/InsightMarch2.htm

sources: www.ncaa.org/research/, www.dailynebraskan.com, and the Josephson Institute's PVWH Sportsmanship Newsleter, Feb. 05



A study by the NCAA concluded:

“Sadly though, it comes as a rude surprise to many athletes yearning for a professional sports career to learn that the odds against success are astronomically high. Approximately 1 percent of NCAA men’s basketball players and 2 percent of NCAA football players are drafted by NBA or NFL teams – and just being drafted is no assurance of a successful professional career. “Student-athletes” whose sole and now failed objective was to make the pros suddenly find themselves in a world that demands skills their universities did not require them to learn.”

" So you're saying there's a chance?"
 
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