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Where is the outrage over 1 v 8 games in basketball?

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Everyone seems to be up in arms about first round of districts of football, what's going on basketball season? Here are the results of all the #1 vs #8 games in Class 5 and 6.

SLUH 83, Fox 33
CBC 81, Waynesville 30
Chaminade 96, Francis Howell North 40
Nixa 93, Lebanon 17
Lee's Summit 78, Truman 46
Blue Springs 80, Smith-Cotton 21
Staley 66, St. Joe Central 48
Cape Central 90, DeSoto 19
Webster Groves 64, Lutheran South 36
Westminster Christian 69, Gateway 19
St. Dominic 65, Ft. Zumwalt East 39
Springfield Catholic 80, Camdenton 50
Bolivar 74, Carl Junction 23
Ruskin 52, Grandview 48
Platte County 83, KC East 57

#1 teams blow out #8 teams regardless of sport. Quit be whiners about.
 
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BearsCountry said:
Everyone seems to be up in arms about first round of districts of football, what's going on basketball season? Here are the results of all the #1 vs #8 games in Class 5 and 6.

SLUH 83, Fox 33
CBC 81, Waynesville 30
Chaminade 96, Francis Howell North 40
Nixa 93, Lebanon 17
Lee's Summit 78, Truman 46
Blue Springs 80, Smith-Cotton 21
Staley 66, St. Joe Central 48
Cape Central 90, DeSoto 19
Webster Groves 64, Lutheran South 36
Westminster Christian 69, Gateway 19
St. Dominic 65, Ft. Zumwalt East 39
Springfield Catholic 80, Camdenton 50
Bolivar 74, Carl Junction 23
Ruskin 52, Grandview 48
Platte County 83, KC East 57

#1 teams blow out #8 teams regardless of sport. Quit be whiners about.
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It's cause nobody gives a crap about basketball
 
Huge difference. In football there is a much greater chance of injury when a #1 seed plays an 8 seed. In other sports, the 8 seed may get beat just as bad as in football but probably aren’t going to be physically destroyed
 
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BearsCountry said:
Everyone seems to be up in arms about first round of districts of football, what's going on basketball season? Here are the results of all the #1 vs #8 games in Class 5 and 6.

SLUH 83, Fox 33
CBC 81, Waynesville 30
Chaminade 96, Francis Howell North 40
Nixa 93, Lebanon 17
Lee's Summit 78, Truman 46
Blue Springs 80, Smith-Cotton 21
Staley 66, St. Joe Central 48
Cape Central 90, DeSoto 19
Webster Groves 64, Lutheran South 36
Westminster Christian 69, Gateway 19
St. Dominic 65, Ft. Zumwalt East 39
Springfield Catholic 80, Camdenton 50
Bolivar 74, Carl Junction 23
Ruskin 52, Grandview 48
Platte County 83, KC East 57

#1 teams blow out #8 teams regardless of sport. Quit be whiners about.
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Wait... You mean to tell me that on this football forum they aren't discussing basketball enough for you?!?! I needed something to be outraged about today. Thank you sir.
 
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BearsCountry said:
Everyone seems to be up in arms about first round of districts of football, what's going on basketball season? Here are the results of all the #1 vs #8 games in Class 5 and 6.

SLUH 83, Fox 33
CBC 81, Waynesville 30
Chaminade 96, Francis Howell North 40
Nixa 93, Lebanon 17
Lee's Summit 78, Truman 46
Blue Springs 80, Smith-Cotton 21
Staley 66, St. Joe Central 48
Cape Central 90, DeSoto 19
Webster Groves 64, Lutheran South 36
Westminster Christian 69, Gateway 19
St. Dominic 65, Ft. Zumwalt East 39
Springfield Catholic 80, Camdenton 50
Bolivar 74, Carl Junction 23
Ruskin 52, Grandview 48
Platte County 83, KC East 57

#1 teams blow out #8 teams regardless of sport. Quit be whiners about.
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all teams making the playoffs is the problem
 
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ugaboz said:
all teams making the playoffs is the problem
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All teams don't make the playoffs. All teams are in a district tournament. The winners of the district tournament advance to the state playoffs. Don't let MSHSAA's need to try to money grab just about everything these days confuse you, districts aren't the playoffs.

Hey man, it's 2022. We've survived a pandemic. If the 8 seeds don't want to take an a$$ whipping, just do the natural thing and not show up. Or, you could really go all in on 2022 and try to create a few more classes to "even the playing field".

Injuries are part of it. Really good players on really good teams get hurt playing lesser opponents. I've also seen 185 lb OL handle 250 lb DT and DE like it's nothing. I don't think there's a real safety concern, rather just a bitching point for those that have decided they don't like the new way. Probably the most equitable answer, if you want something different, would be to give the top seeds a bye. But then you would have to drop to six team districts and probably create some more classes. You know, more change, which means more bitching.
 
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Eagles_Ball said:
All teams don't make the playoffs. All teams are in a district tournament. The winners of the district tournament advance to the state playoffs. Don't let MSHSAA's need to try to money grab just about everything these days confuse you, districts aren't the playoffs.

Hey man, it's 2022. We've survived a pandemic. If the 8 seeds don't want to take an a$$ whipping, just do the natural thing and not show up. Or, you could really go all in on 2022 and try to create a few more classes to "even the playing field".

Injuries are part of it. Really good players on really good teams get hurt playing lesser opponents. I've also seen 185 lb OL handle 250 lb DT and DE like it's nothing. I don't think there's a real safety concern, rather just a bitching point for those that have decided they don't like the new way. Probably the most equitable answer, if you want something different, would be to give the top seeds a bye. But then you would have to drop to six team districts and probably create some more classes. You know, more change, which means more bitching.
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Good points. My question for MSHSAA is this... If it is NOT the play-offs then why in the hell are we being charged $10 a game to watch and not letting schools live stream the games for free?
 
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Eagles_Ball said:
All teams don't make the playoffs. All teams are in a district tournament. The winners of the district tournament advance to the state playoffs. Don't let MSHSAA's need to try to money grab just about everything these days confuse you, districts aren't the playoffs.

Hey man, it's 2022. We've survived a pandemic. If the 8 seeds don't want to take an a$$ whipping, just do the natural thing and not show up. Or, you could really go all in on 2022 and try to create a few more classes to "even the playing field".

Injuries are part of it. Really good players on really good teams get hurt playing lesser opponents. I've also seen 185 lb OL handle 250 lb DT and DE like it's nothing. I don't think there's a real safety concern, rather just a bitching point for those that have decided they don't like the new way. Probably the most equitable answer, if you want something different, would be to give the top seeds a bye. But then you would have to drop to six team districts and probably create some more classes. You know, more change, which means more bitching.
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Actually you would only have to drop to seven team districts and give first seed a bye. Doesn't mean I'm advocating for that. I think a bye is much more advantageous in football than basketball.
Ironically, we have more of these 1-8 blowouts in the current 8 team districts than we had in the old 4 team district format (if you follow the law of randomness in combining two 4 team districts).
 
hangmanbobbyjaggers said:
Good points. My question for MSHSAA is this... If it is NOT the play-offs then why in the hell are we being charged $10 a game to watch and not letting schools live stream the games for free?
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Have you ever ran a booster club or needed to raise funds? Thats one of the first rules! Rename something to a name that you charge more for, then charge more!
 
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Have you ever ran a booster club or needed to raise funds? Thats one of the first rules! Rename something to a name that you charge more for, then charge more!
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Missouri Kid said:
Actually you would only have to drop to seven team districts and give first seed a bye. Doesn't mean I'm advocating for that. I think a bye is much more advantageous in football than basketball.
Ironically, we have more of these 1-8 blowouts in the current 8 team districts than we had in the old 4 team district format (if you follow the law of randomness in combining two 4 team districts).
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Sooooo then the 7 seed (used to the be 8th seed) now gets turbo clocked by the 2 seed?
 
Eagles_Ball said:
All teams don't make the playoffs. All teams are in a district tournament. The winners of the district tournament advance to the state playoffs. Don't let MSHSAA's need to try to money grab just about everything these days confuse you, districts aren't the playoffs.

Hey man, it's 2022. We've survived a pandemic. If the 8 seeds don't want to take an a$$ whipping, just do the natural thing and not show up. Or, you could really go all in on 2022 and try to create a few more classes to "even the playing field".

Injuries are part of it. Really good players on really good teams get hurt playing lesser opponents. I've also seen 185 lb OL handle 250 lb DT and DE like it's nothing. I don't think there's a real safety concern, rather just a bitching point for those that have decided they don't like the new way. Probably the most equitable answer, if you want something different, would be to give the top seeds a bye. But then you would have to drop to six team districts and probably create some more classes. You know, more change, which means more bitching.
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district tourney is the playoffs
you lose you are out , same thing
also everything in your post we all know.
 
ugaboz said:
like many sports in other places regular season should determine who makes the playoffs.
ex- blue springs south did not deserve to be in the playoffs.
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I mean an 8 seed has won a game and so have multiple 7 seeds in the playoffs
 
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ugaboz said:
district tourney is the playoffs
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Except it's not. Basketball coaches have been able to grasp this not so tough concept for 100+ years. Institute it in football and all Neanderthals begin to struggle. It is a tournament that qualifies you for the state playoffs. It's a DISTRICT tournament, not a STATE tournament. The STATE tournament happens when you bracket together the district tournament winners. I get it's semantics, just not so sure why football dude struggles with this.

Btw...I use Neanderthals in complete jest to have fun. But it does boggle my mind why this has given the football community so much trouble.
 
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Missouri Kid said:
Actually you would only have to drop to seven team districts and give first seed a bye. Doesn't mean I'm advocating for that. I think a bye is much more advantageous in football than basketball.
Ironically, we have more of these 1-8 blowouts in the current 8 team districts than we had in the old 4 team district format (if you follow the law of randomness in combining two 4 team districts).
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I agree, but I'd probably advocate for 6 teams and byes for the 1 and 2...but that's probably because I hate odd numbers. Except for 3, which is my favorite number. And 6 is divisible by 3. It's really infallible logic, huh?
 
ugaboz said:
like many sports in other places regular season should determine who makes the playoffs.
ex- blue springs south did not deserve to be in the playoffs.
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Are there other HS team sports in MO that a district tournament doesn't decide who moves on to the state tournament? That's an honest question. I've thought it through, just can't come up with any but completely possible I'm forgetting some too.
 
I want 8 to play one. It's a tournament. There's always a chance for someone to get hurt. Same in every sport. Those claims are rediculous, is 8th seeded wrestler not going to have to wrestle a one. This is life.
 
A person would have a hard time convincing me that a playoff qualifying system in which advancement is solely determined by the play on the field/court/etc. and the score at the end is bad.

Football was almost like that with the old four team districts, but, as some teams can attest when a team they had beaten in districts made the playoffs while they didn't, it wasn't quite all the way there. With the current system, it now is.

Now, regarding the semantics of "district" vs "playoffs," I have to ask: why does it matter one way or the other? Heck, call it the "gerbilhamsters" if you that tickles you, it still accomplishes its intended purpose.
 
ugaboz said:
again you are missing the point.
all teams making the playoffs should be changed
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The point is they are not deserving correct? Even though at couple points in the last couple years an 8 and a couple 7s were better than the one or two seeds
 
ugaboz said:
again you are missing the point.
all teams making the playoffs should be changed
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Why? I guess the question I am really asking is this: what is the harm being done that you hope to correct?
 
ugaboz said:
again you are missing the point.
all teams making the playoffs should be changed
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No, YOU are missing the point. It's not the playoffs. It's just not. No matter how many times you attempt to type (speak) it into existence, it's just never ever been considered that. Honestly, you football guys are new to this whole idea of a DISTRICT tournament, so I get the confusion. And I appreciate the willingness to stick to your guns and just completely die on this hill. But good lordy, when your kind IS LITERALLY THE ONLY FREAKING PEOPLE INVOLVED IN TEAM SPORTS THAT CAN'T GRASP THE CONCEPT...It's probably time to look in the mirror and have a moment of self-reflection. Collective self-reflection, if you will. And probably more figuratively, as I get all you confused football guys aren't going to actually gather and try to find a mirror. But if you do decide to gather, hit me up and I'll get you the mirror!
 
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Where is the outrage over 1 v 8 games in basketball?​

On the basketball page, where it belongs?
Not the same sport. Don't require the same playoff format.
What's next, we're gonna have loser's bracket games in football, because other sports do?
 
deacon jones said:

Where is the outrage over 1 v 8 games in basketball?​

On the basketball page, where it belongs?
Not the same sport. Don't require the same playoff format.
What's next, we're gonna have loser's bracket games in football, because other sports do?
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I actually have said this a couple times, but after your season is finished I think you should play the nearest seed to you that lost in your district as a final game. I think it would give senior some closure and allow more teams to finish on a positive note
 
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Mofan79 said:
I actually have said this a couple times, but after your season is finished I think you should play the nearest seed to you that lost in your district as a final game. I think it would give senior some closure and allow more teams to finish on a positive note
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Ridiculous. Seniors get "closure" their last game. Teams don't need to finish on a positive note. There's noting wrong with one team each class finishing the season with a win. Goodness, we are soft.
 
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Ridiculous. Seniors get "closure" their last game. Teams don't need to finish on a positive note. There's noting wrong with one team each class finishing the season with a win. Goodness, we are soft.
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What do you mean by soft? By wanting more kids to enjoy the game and help increase numbers for a sport that has slowly been declining? By allowing kids to finish there careers with a competitive game? I guess I don't see how wanting kids to play one more game of football against similar competition is soft. @Eagles_Ball if you were 17-18 and offered the opportunity to play one more game at the end of your season are you telling me you would opt out because its "Soft" because its not for a championship?
 
Easiest solution to this in all sports is to make every school answer yes or no before every season.... Do we want to participate in the state tournament? If they want to, play it out. If they opt out, they can schedule a game of their liking to end their season on week 10 or the district tournament week in basketball with schools that opt out. Districts are not set until after the season anyway. Takes care of all the whiners.
 
Mofan79 said:
What do you mean by soft? By wanting more kids to enjoy the game and help increase numbers for a sport that has slowly been declining? By allowing kids to finish there careers with a competitive game? I guess I don't see how wanting kids to play one more game of football against similar competition is soft. @Eagles_Ball if you were 17-18 and offered the opportunity to play one more game at the end of your season are you telling me you would opt out because its "Soft" because its not for a championship?
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What do you mean by soft?
Soft meaning all we do is keep adding stuff in an attempt to make everyone happy and a winner. Life is full of winning and losing. Losing your last game doesn't make you a loser. Teaching a young person how to positively deal with losing a game is a better outcome than adding a game to make sure their a winner.

By wanting more kids to enjoy the game and help increase numbers for a sport that has slowly been declining? By allowing kids to finish there careers with a competitive game?
Do you honestly think adding a meaningless game at the end of the season will increase participation numbers? Merely because one team might win their last game? One of us is out of touch with what teenagers value. It could be me, I guess.

if you were 17-18 and offered the opportunity to play one more game at the end of your season are you telling me you would opt out because its "Soft" because its not for a championship?
I'd play it because it's on the schedule and coach told me to be there. But I was an uber competitive athlete, and I would know the game didn't mean squat. But I'd still try to win it. But it certainly wouldn't have any influence over me playing the next year, because, you know, the game is absolutely meaningless.
 
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