What is the worst case of Capitalism in the history of the world?

[you_dont_know_me]

Who would be the biggest case study in capitalism in the history of the world to cause concern? What is the worst that could happen in our current capitalistic (kind of) economic system?

What is the best true socialist example country in the history of the world? What is the worst?

 

[Duck_walk]

There have been few examples of pure capitalism or socialism. The U S. is a mixed system. No one running for office, including the great Bernie Sanders is calling for an end to capitalism. Many are looking for a different mix.

For example saying universal health care is awful because pure socialism wont work is just silly. Its not the same thing.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

There have been few examples of pure capitalism or socialism. The U S. is a mixed system. No one running for office, including the great Bernie Sanders is calling for an end to capitalism. Many are looking for a different mix.

For example saying universal health care is awful because pure socialism wont work is just silly. Its not the same thing.

but can you answer my questions?

 

[FistOH]

but can you answer my questions?

• 20 million deaths in the Soviet Union
• 65 million deaths in China
•1 million deaths in Vietnam
• 2 million deaths in North Korea
• 2 million deaths in Cambodia
• 1 million deaths in Eastern Europe
• 150,000 deaths in Latin America
• 1.7 million deaths in Africa
• 1.5 million deaths in Afghanistan
The total approaches 100 million people slaughtered for a utopian socialist system.
When countries collapse into chaos, evil fills the void.

 

[Duck_walk]

They are irrelevant.

 

[FistOH]

I don't give Socialist the satisfaction of complaining about picking winners and losers.(subsidies, crony capitalism). They can drone on all they want. It's not their call. The market is more free now than its ever been, and the market was created by capitalism. Any complaints by socialist are just plain ungrateful.
Before capitalism people starved and children were forced to work to bring in money for the family. After capitalism schools were built and society flourished. The child labor reform is typical horse puckey pushed by socialist as the solution but capitalism was the real solution. oh well.

 

[TJ_DUB]

I don't give Socialist the satisfaction of complaining about picking winners and losers. They can drone on all they want. It's not their call. The market is more free now than its ever been, and the market was created by capitalism. Any complaints by socialist are just plain ungrateful.
Before capitalism people starved and children were forced to work to bring in money for the family. After capitalism schools were built and society flourished. The child labor reform is typical horse puckey pushed by socialist as the solution but capitalism was the real solution. oh well.

I question if you understand how much of our society is of a socialist nature. I do think we’ve been over some of this before, haven’t we?

 

[you_dont_know_me]

will anyone answer the original questions? I don't think our resident Social Democrats will, because they don't have a good answer.

 

[FistOH]

will anyone answer the original questions? I don't think our resident Social Democrats will, because they don't have a good answer.

IKEA furniture is built on a Capitalism economy. Social smocial
Not to mention they sold weapons to both sides(Germany and Allies) to build their capitalist society.

 

[FistOH]

If you like statistics on what capitalism does for mankind. Go to the human progress site. You don't even have to read the content. Just read the headlines for Capitalism Progress.

 

[FistOH]

Anyone want to talk ACLU and abortion?
We could start a thread, "Bernie is wrong".

 

[millerbleach]

I question if you understand how much of our society is of a socialist nature.

Way too much! Less is needed not more.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Still no response to the initial question from the socialists.

 

[FistOH]

Still no response to the initial question from the socialists.

We need a big mass murder to bring them back from hiding.

 

[FistOH]

Way too much! Less is needed not more.

Right, too hard. Mass shootings won't work, so how about a good ole Putin is my pal mistake? Noooo. Man I am stumped.
Maybe a total collapse of the market, double digit inflation and unemployment?

 

[FistOH]

Still no response to the initial question from the socialists.

In all seriousness. Socialism is not guilt by association. This is the game that left plays so effectively.

I reject the idea that life is a battle between good people and evil people, to be aware of our own failings, and to embrace our common humanity.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

In all seriousness. Socialism is not guilt by association. This is the game that left plays so effectively.

I reject the idea that life is a battle between good people and evil people, to be aware of our own failings, and to embrace our common humanity.

I genuinely didn’t understand a word you just said.

 

[TJ_DUB]

I genuinely didn’t understand a word you just said.

Since none of us apparently are smart enough to answer such a silly question, what’s your answer?

 

[you_dont_know_me]

Since none of us apparently are smart enough to answer such a silly question, what’s your answer?

Yeah, call it silly since you can’t answer it and be intellectually honest about your position. I already answered it with my question and you have answered it with your lack of a response.

I will readily admit I had never even thought from that angle until today, and I think it’s a great question.

 

[TJ_DUB]

I already answered it with my question and you have answered it with your lack of a response. I will readily admit I had never even thought from that angle until today, and I think it’s a great question.

I missed your answer. Would you mind repeating it, please? I see no answer in you question.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I already answered it with my question and you have answered it with your lack of a response. I will readily admit I had never even thought from that angle until today, and I think it’s a great question.

I missed your answer. Would you mind repeating it, please? I see no answer in you question.

I love how you still won’t answer the question, and are trying to move the goalposts.... where is ducky and veer2 and 3r?

 

[TJ_DUB]

I love how you still won’t answer the question, and are trying to move the goalposts.... where is ducky and veer2 and 3r?

I said I don’t know the answer to your question. When I asked you for your answer you said the answer is in the question. I’m too damn dumb to figure out your riddle. PLEASE, this dumbarse wants to know the answer.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I said I don’t know the answer to your question. When I asked you for your answer you said the answer is in the question. I’m too damn dumb to figure out your riddle. PLEASE, this dumbarse wants to know the answer.

To answer your question, I think my question is pretty rhetorical. And the socialists confirm it with their silence. Capitalism in the US on its worst day is better than any socialist government on its best day. Spare me the Scandinavia stuff, and good luck if Russia ever decided they wanted it.

The answer is the United States is the most successful country in the history of the world, economic strength, innovation, quality of life, opportunity, freedom to gripe about the government and protest it. There is so much complaint about how we do things here. Have any democracies led to what we see in Venezuela today? Are there problems..of course. Always will be.

I will readily concede we have socialist elements in our nation...to me it feels like we keep giving little bit more of our freedom away each time we let the government “take care of something.” I don’t like where we are headed.

Does anyone on here think what is going on in Europe is a good thing? Cultures being taken over, people are working hard for a living and sending it all to the government because the government “knows best.” Who wants to pay 60% income tax? Or 25% sales tax on top of it?

Who in the world thinks our government is an efficient, morally upright place? Nobody. If our government had to operate like a business, it would have bankrupted and closed decades ago.

Why would we allow them MORE control and more of our money? Why would we let a governing body tell us how to spend our money and our time? Government encroachment isn’t freedom! Why would anyone want to give up freedom?

We will implode...it will be slowly....as our young people are being taught this is a great thing and we slowly get voted toward greater government control. It’s still all about greed and power. Majority rule will eventually have us back trying socialism again.

My main point is this: what is there to fear about capitalism? What is so bad about it other than some people have more than other people? Socialism. Does. Not. Work. In. Practice. If there wasn’t democracy in the world, it would be a nightmare.

We must not just decide things with our hearts, but also with our minds.

I’m not saying our capitalism is perfect (or that it is even close to pure capitalism). The stuff we whine about daily is a joke compared to what majority of the world is worried about. A lot of that is because we are free here.

 

[TJ_DUB]

To answer your question, I think my question is pretty rhetorical. And the socialists confirm it with their silence. Capitalism in the US on its worst day is better than any socialist government on its best day. Spare me the Scandinavia stuff, and good luck if Russia ever decided they wanted it.

The answer is the United States is the most successful country in the history of the world, economic strength, innovation, quality of life, opportunity, freedom to gripe about the government and protest it. There is so much complaint about how we do things here. Have any democracies led to what we see in Venezuela today? Are there problems..of course. Always will be.

I will readily concede we have socialist elements in our nation...to me it feels like we keep giving little bit more of our freedom away each time we let the government “take care of something.” I don’t like where we are headed.

Does anyone on here think what is going on in Europe is a good thing? Cultures being taken over, people are working hard for a living and sending it all to the government because the government “knows best.” Who wants to pay 60% income tax? Or 25% sales tax on top of it?

Who in the world thinks our government is an efficient, morally upright place? Nobody. If our government had to operate like a business, it would have bankrupted and closed decades ago.

Why would we allow them MORE control and more of our money? Why would we let a governing body tell us how to spend our money and our time? Government encroachment isn’t freedom! Why would anyone want to give up freedom?

We will implode...it will be slowly....as our young people are being taught this is a great thing and we slowly get voted toward greater government control. It’s still all about greed and power. Majority rule will eventually have us back trying socialism again.

My main point is this: what is there to fear about capitalism? What is so bad about it other than some people have more than other people? Socialism. Does. Not. Work. In. Practice. If there wasn’t democracy in the world, it would be a nightmare.

We must not just decide things with our hearts, but also with our minds.

I’m not saying our capitalism is perfect (or that it is even close to pure capitalism). The stuff we whine about daily is a joke compared to what majority of the world is worried about. A lot of that is because we are free here.

You said US is best example of capitalism, and I agree. But you didn’t even answer your own question. You asked for worst. Is it the same answer? If so, to me, silly question.

 

[Duck_walk]

Sweden, Norway, and Denmark are capitalistic countries with extremely generous social programs that have very successful economies. That is the type of economy dems are looking for, not pure socialism. So answer your own silly questions.

 

[FistOH]

I genuinely didn’t understand a word you just said.

It wasn't for you. My bad. It was for side-dub. I forgot.

My posts flow chart...Worst examples of capitalist society

1. My example of worst Socialist Utopian Societies
2. Human Progress .org
3. A post meant for Dub.( identity politics)

(This is not to say that you are wrong, I get off subject because I assume we retain previous responses and carry them over to the next post) In short, I spend too much time posting and should remember you hardly post at all.)

 

[you_dont_know_me]

You said US is best example of capitalism, and I agree. But you didn’t even answer your own question. You asked for worst. Is it the same answer? If so, to me, silly question.

The answer is, I don't think there is a bad example of democracy...again...there isn't an answer.

 

[TJ_DUB]

The answer is, I don't think there is a bad example of democracy...again...there isn't an answer.

But you said you answered earlier, now there is no answer?

 

[you_dont_know_me]

But you said you answered earlier, now there is no answer?

Yes, lets play semantics...you haven't even engaged with the content at all other than to say you don't know and trying to tie me up.

 

[Duck_walk]

We dont have pure capitalism, nor a democracy. Great points. If we had a democracy Hillary is the president.

 

[Duck_walk]

Here are 5 examples. But there are many many more, including Thailand, etc etc etc


https://theswamp.media/failed-democratic-governments-that-collapsed-into-dictatorships

 

[you_dont_know_me]

pardon me, Capitalism. I didn't type correctly.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Yes, lets play semantics...you haven't even engaged with the content at all other than to say you don't know and trying to tie me up.

You’re right! I don’t know! How many more times do you need me to type it?
TJ - waving the white flag! I surrender! Semantics and all! You win! Have mercy on my soul, please!
I didn’t know the answer to a question that you said had no answer. Hmmm ... maybe that means I answered it several posts ago. What ya think? Quit tying me up!

 

[FistOH]

The answer is, I don't think there is a bad example of democracy...again...there isn't an answer.

Much of the successful work of the current crop of cultural and environmental utopians have been accomplished inside a relatively democratic process.

Keep in mind that Adolf Hitler was actually elected to office.

Democratic totalitarianism is the process of taking away the sphere of individual liberty in the name of such morally high-sounding concepts as “social justice” and “economic justice.”

You've already articulated in one post the uniqueness of our system.

 

[TJ_DUB]

Much of the successful work of the current crop of cultural and environmental utopians have been accomplished inside a relatively democratic process.

Keep in mind that Adolf Hitler was actually elected to office.

Democratic totalitarianism is the process of taking away the sphere of individual liberty in the name of such morally high-sounding concepts as “social justice” and “economic justice.”

You've already articulated in one post the uniqueness of our system.

Yes, Hitler was elected to office, but starting changing laws after elected. Is that what we’re seeing in Michigan and Wisconsin?

 

[FistOH]

Yes, Hitler was elected to office, but starting changing laws after elected. Is that what we’re seeing in Michigan and Wisconsin?

I don't know.

 

[TJ_DUB]

I don't know.

Me, either. I hope not.

 

[FistOH]

Understanding that a perfect system is not possible. On this earth, the closest thing to “utopia” is a society that respects individual freedom, punishes wrongdoers, embraces a free enterprise system, allows private property, and encourages independence and self-government. The Founders of the United States brought forth precisely such a system in the form of a constitutional republic.

 

[FistOH]

Yes, lets play semantics...you haven't even engaged with the content at all other than to say you don't know and trying to tie me up.

Duck doesn't know what socialism is, let alone capitalism. He lost his library card a long time ago.

 

[Duck_walk]

Duck doesn't know what socialism is, let alone capitalism. He lost his library card a long time ago.

Jesus H. You are an idiot. He wasnt even talking to me. We dont have even close to pure capitalism. You have no clue. Go back to high school and study this time.