Welfare state hymn...

[you_dont_know_me]

The hymn to the welfare state...author anonymous

"The Government is my shepherd,
Therefore, I need not work.
It alloweth me to lie down on a good job.
It leadeth me beside still factories
It destroyeth my initiative.
It leadeth me in the path
of a parasite for politic's sake.

Yea, though I walk through then valley of laziness and deficit-spending,
I will fear no evil, for the Government is with me.
It prepareth an economic Utopia for me, by appropriating the earnings of my own grandchildren.
It filleth my head with false security;
My inefficiency runneth over.
Surely the Government should care for me all the days of my life!
And I shall well in a fool's paradise for ever"


-Things I will note:
1.This is what conservatives see happening in our world around us.
2. Deficit spending isn't just a liberal problem..it's a government problem (eating free off our taxes)



Libs on the board...can you refute the reality of what you see in this poem?

It would make me feel a little better if you would admit this is happening and you know it’s a cost of what you think is best. At least then you aren’t being intellectually dishonest.

 

[MGHS]

I worked as a Income maintenance worker and I can assure you that the leftist policy's have created a entitled, shiftless, irresponsible,lying and lazy welfare class.

Of course they play to the emotional aspects of the Dem's and their kind. They love to play up the half truths the entitlement grifters peddle to the naive.

 

[Texascap]

I worked as a Income maintenance worker and I can assure you that the leftist policy's have created a entitled, shiftless, irresponsible,lying and lazy welfare class.

Of course they play to the emotional aspects of the Dem's and their kind. They love to play up the half truths the entitlement grifters peddle to the naive.

I read a fairly large book on this subject written by a UK M.D. and his experiences in the Britsh Health care system as he serviced the welfare population. I don't like to think about it. We must not forget to empathize with people acting in a way that is simply human nature. Our basic default human condition is to avoid pain. Our default position is not good. People on the right and left are ignorant of human psychology. Once people understand this, we can make better judgments on policy positions. When we claim that the other side is out to hurt us no matter what they say, there is no conversation at all. Unfortunately, that is where we are at.

 

[MGHS]

It's human nature to be lazy,irresponsible, shiftless and in most ways what we deem as immoral. That is why we have law's,mores, and social norms. And people who enforce those or try to instill them into the masses at a young age. It would be anarchy if we didn't have this structure. Funny that those who advocate for the abolishment or gutting of the systems that put these forth are the most at risk if they went away.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

I always find it laughable that Reps always assume that only Dems are on welfare. Just look at demographics in Missouri. Most of our poorest counties are in southern MO and overwhelmingly "red". Same is true in southern states.

 

[Veerman_12]

I always find it laughable that Reps always assume that only Dems are on welfare. Just look at demographics in Missouri. Most of our poorest counties are in southern MO and overwhelmingly "red". Same is true in southern states.

Getting rid of welfare would overwhelmingly be of benefit for America.

1. Would Strengthen Families
Without welfare, people would need to make smarter reproductive decisions (not procreating with losers and deadbeats) and potentially seeking marriage for stability instead of Daddy Gubmint to subsidize their bad decisions. The two parent household then leads to a plethora of social benefits:

-decreased criminality
-higher academic achievement
-reduced instances of anxiety and/or depression symptoms
-children are 20 to 35% more physically healthy on average. Decreased medical bills.
-being raised in a married family reduced a child’s probability of living in poverty by about 82 percent.

If all those benefits were expounded across society, how much money could either be allocated to other programs (education, healthcare, infrastructure) or used to reduce the debt?

But welfare programs keep us poor, uninformed, broken, and divided, so they'll never go away.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I always find it laughable that Reps always assume that only Dems are on welfare. Just look at demographics in Missouri. Most of our poorest counties are in southern MO and overwhelmingly "red". Same is true in southern states.

Strawman...I know it's both sides who receive it. But it is liberal ideology that is destroying us.

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Oh, I see. Southern conservative Reps can receive welfare, as long as they don't have a "liberal ideology" about it!!

 

[Veerman_12]

Oh, I see. Southern conservative Reps can receive welfare, as long as they don't have a "liberal ideology" about it!!

That's a great red herring. No, ideally no one is receiving welfare, but you know that already.

 

[3Rfan]

That's a great red herring. No, ideally no one is receiving welfare, but you know that already.

Point is they vote R in large numbers. If they thought they would lose their benefits by doing that they probably wouldn't do it. Missouri is a pretty bright red state, especially in rural areas, so why are they still getting those checks?

 

[kaskaskiakid]

Exactly 3R. What gets me is Rep want to take away from poor and have no problem giving the wealthiest a huge tax break.

 

[MGHS]

Hmm we all know that the Left is invested in handing out more and more entitlements. Nobody said that plenty of the rural poor doesn't line up to get some welfare as well and some of them do vote conservative. Not seeing your point...it needs to be dialed back no matter your party of choice.

 

[3Rfan]

Hmm we all know that the Left is invested in handing out more and more entitlements. Nobody said that plenty of the rural poor doesn't line up to get some welfare as well and some of them do vote conservative. Not seeing your point...it needs to be dialed back no matter your party of choice.

If they thought their welfare, or whatever assistance they get, would dry up under pub rule do you think they would be voting that way?

 

[Veerman_12]

If they thought their welfare, or whatever assistance they get, would dry up under pub rule do you think they would be voting that way?

Yes. If they're consistent in their beliefs they aren't going to vote against:

1. Pro-life
2. Gun rights
3. 1st Amendment rights

Heck, most conservatives would vote to gradually eliminate welfare if there was something to guarantee jobs.

 

[MGHS]

If they thought their welfare, or whatever assistance they get, would dry up under pub rule do you think they would be voting that way?

I suspect some would,because they value other aspects of the Rep. party. Of course some wouldn't as well because they have become dependent on handouts. It's never cut and dried

 

[Veerman_12]

 

[Draftpik]

Exactly 3R. What gets me is Rep want to take away from poor and have no problem giving the wealthiest a huge tax break.

You get nothing for being a conservative. That's the beauty of it.

 

[Texascap]

Hmm we all know that the Left is invested in handing out more and more entitlements. Nobody said that plenty of the rural poor doesn't line up to get some welfare as well and some of them do vote conservative. Not seeing your point...it needs to be dialed back no matter your party of choice.

Entitlement is a made-up word. Control the language, control your thoughts.

 

[Texascap]

Exactly 3R. What gets me is Rep want to take away from poor and have no problem giving the wealthiest a huge tax break.

More revenue was collected. But more was spent. NYT leaves out critical math along with lying for rich liberals.

 

[Draftpik]

Exactly 3R. What gets me is Rep want to take away from poor and have no problem giving the wealthiest a huge tax break.

Dems pretend to be for the little guy. It's a great scam.

 

[3Rfan]

More revenue was collected. But more was spent. NYT leaves out critical math along with lying for rich liberals.

Who spent the money that ran up the debt and deficit even more? DJT!!!

 

[Draftpik]

Who spent the money that ran up the debt and deficit even more? DJT!!!

You like spending though. You're a Trumper?

 

[3Rfan]

You like spending though. You're a Trumper?

I don't know where you get that. I'm going back to my resolution.

 

[millerbleach]

Who spent the money that ran up the debt and deficit even more? DJT!!!

Presidents don't spend money. Trump wants too much money spent.....period but, Congress spends it. The point is though, revenues have gone up! If Trumps policies were bad for the economy revenues would have gone down.

 

[you_dont_know_me]

I personally hate that in this thriving economy the deficit hasn’t shrunk... no one in Washington lives in reality. Their only agenda is to continue working there. Congressmen are the ultimate beneficiaries of welfare. We pay them to do nothing!

 

[3Rfan]

Presidents don't spend money. Trump wants too much money spent.....period but, Congress spends it. The point is though, revenues have gone up! If Trumps policies were bad for the economy revenues would have gone down.

Trump had to sign the spending bills and in most cases he wanted more. They go nowhere if he vetoes them.

 

[millerbleach]

Trump had to sign the spending bills and in most cases he wanted more. They go nowhere if he vetoes them.

Did "tax cuts for the rich" decrease revenues causing the deficit to rise? All your Democrat claims are false.
I have said MULTIPLE times that Trump is too big a spender but at least he is spending it to MAGA instead of setting up bigger government programs.

 

[3Rfan]

Did "tax cuts for the rich" decrease revenues causing the deficit to rise? All your Democrat claims are false.
I have said MULTIPLE times that Trump is too big a spender but at least he is spending it to MAGA instead of setting up bigger government programs.

The gazillion dollar debt is going to MAGA???? How long can we keep this up under any party?