Wednesday Update
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1. Pitching looks like it is coming around.
2. Punch and Judy offense strikes out way tooooooooo much!!!!
3. MM is going to play Yadi 162 games this year.
4. Don't be such drama queens. These meetings are being blown way out of proportion they haven't lost since they had it.
5. Adams must have lost a bet because he has the worst haircut ever.
6. The Birds will probably get snowed out at least once this weekend in Pitt.
7. RISP will be the key.
8. Walden is hurt again
9. I can't wait to get this season started. Go Birds
2. Punch and Judy offense strikes out way tooooooooo much!!!!
3. MM is going to play Yadi 162 games this year.
4. Don't be such drama queens. These meetings are being blown way out of proportion they haven't lost since they had it.
5. Adams must have lost a bet because he has the worst haircut ever.
6. The Birds will probably get snowed out at least once this weekend in Pitt.
7. RISP will be the key.
8. Walden is hurt again
9. I can't wait to get this season started. Go Birds
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You surely know a strikeout is just another out.1. Pitching looks like it is coming around.
2. Punch and Judy offense strikes out way tooooooooo much!!!!
3. MM is going to play Yadi 162 games this year.
4. Don't be such drama queens. These meetings are being blown way out of proportion they haven't lost since they had it.
5. Adams must have lost a bet because he has the worst haircut ever.
6. The Birds will probably get snowed out at least once this weekend in Pitt.
7. RISP will be the key.
8. Walden is hurt again
9. I can't wait to get this season started. Go Birds
But it's ok, it's just like a fly ball to the outfield with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs or a ground ball to 2nd with a runner on 2nd or 3rd with less than 2 outs. No problem at all to strikeout instead of putting the ball in play so a fielder has to catch it, throw it and the guy on the other end has to catch it with his foot on the base or make a tag.
Please take another paragraph and explain to us all how BA is the best indicator of how good a hitter someone is.But it's ok, it's just like a fly ball to the outfield with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs or a ground ball to 2nd with a runner on 2nd or 3rd with less than 2 outs. No problem at all to strikeout instead of putting the ball in play so a fielder has to catch it, throw it and the guy on the other end has to catch it with his foot on the base or make a tag.
Simple unless ur a math geek then Ks just don't matter uhgggggggggggggggggggg
They may imply that making a pitcher throw 6-7 pitches before striking out is better than grounding out on the first pitch. I understand that. But in this day and age of specialization and using six pitchers per game I question if that isn't over valued.
Nope but the little things like moving runners and not giving up an out with no gain don't show up in BA or any of those other stats you like. I know they're going to happen, happens to the very best, but can you tell me you really believe a strikeout is just the same as putting the ball in play and making one or two of the other 8 players execute properly to get the out?
Problem with all of this is, you want to make a definitive statement and blanket it, and you really can't. There are many factors. As 3R points out, obviously situations can dictate whether it's just another out. But as Ducky points out, pitch counts become a factor as well. And errors are such minute thing in MLB, it can't be used as a defining reason as to why they're not just another out (probably about as equal to driving up a pitch count). And then there is what type of hitter is it that's K'ing too much. Obviously if the Birds (and their lack of pop) K at a rate similar to the Blue Jays, it's not good and not just another out. But if you're asking me, with a runner at 2nd and no outs...I'll take Chris Davis or Jose Bautista over Jon Jay and Erin Miles anytime.
There in lies the problem! The Birds have a pop gun offense that strikes out like a smasher offense.
I don't want those guys to bunt a runner to 3rd and I didn't say they should. Still putting the ball in play absolutely gives a you a better chance of something happening in your favor than a SO. That's just a plain ole fact that no stat can deny. Let me know when MLB players stop making errors. Errors have opened the door for many a big inning, even in MLB.
And because that error rate is so low, it's just as likely a hitter with a little pop and higher K rate finds a gap or hits it over the wall. Or that your contact hitter rolls into a 6-4-3 with a runner on 1B. The raw truth is this, there are times when a K is worse than putting the ball in play. And there are other times when it's actually better than putting a ball in play. And it all depends upon the situation.
Assume that's tongue in cheek...but if not, that's a pretty unrealistic view. Sort of like 3Rs blanket statement.I think about it this way. Will you have a better chance to win a game by striking out 27 times or grounding out and flying 27 times? I'll take my chances making contact.
u caught me Eags but the only icon we have is sticking tongue
ut rather than in cheekI'll give up on you eagle. I think you really do believe striking out is just as good as hitting the ball somewhere and forcing the defense to make 3 or 4 things happen right to get an out. I hope someone posts the stats on how many errors are made in MLB each year and how many times an error leads to a multiple run inning and a loss for the team that made the error. But you go thinking MLB players don't make errors. The real point is not that you might actually get on by putting the ball in play rather it's if you move a runner up 90 feet with your out it IS better than NOT moving a runner at all. BTW I saw today we're short another SS for a while with a quad injury. What the heck are they doing to cause so many quad problems. For a while it was oblique issues, now this.
And Hazelbaker makes the OD roster??? Now there are seven players at four positions. And Garcia is the only backup for 2B/SS/3B. That makes complete sense. Ugh.
You can't blame that injury on the Birds. He hasn't been there long enough for their program to cause that injury. Just bad luck which they have been able to overcome. Go Birds
I agree Eags and just how many left handed bats do you need to play 2 positions. Sometimes they just make me shake my head.
What is up with Diaz?
I don't get the Diaz thing at all. Admittedly, I don't know the rosters/options ramifications of starting Diaz on the OD roster. So that could be part of it. Might need NM to weigh in on that. But he has to be at least as good of an option as Gyorko. VEB folks are already discussing MM's soft spot for Adams. My heads going to explode if I have to watch him play 150+ games from the cleanup spot.I agree Eags and just how many left handed bats do you need to play 2 positions. Sometimes they just make me shake my head.
Didn't really mean just the Birds, a lot teams have had muscle injuries that you didn't hear about so much a few years ago. I think they all do too much in the weight room these days for what you need to play baseball.You can't blame that injury on the Birds. He hasn't been there long enough for their program to cause that injury. Just bad luck which they have been able to overcome. Go Birds
All things being equal, sure, but it's not like those are the only two choicesI think about it this way. Will you have a better chance to win a game by striking out 27 times or grounding out and flying 27 times? I'll take my chances making contact.
Doesn't make sense unless they really want Diaz playing every day.I agree Eags and just how many left handed bats do you need to play 2 positions. Sometimes they just make me shake my head.
Why would you put Adams in against Liriano. That was insane. It's as if Matheny could not see what arm Liriano uses to throw the ball to home plate.
Adams has a .500 something OPS against lefties over the last three seasons, he's a pure platoon player, and that was just stupid. It's first base!
What is the point of having 400 corner position players if you don't have someone to use as a platoon with Adams when Holliday is in the outfield?
Moss has very little platoon split. You have to play him there over Adams.
Matheny has to know that sort of thing. I don't like the roster construction either but this was not hard.
Who would he have put as the DH against a lefty right now even if Pham were healthy? Adam is not the right answer.
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You're forgetting one thing...MM loves him some Matt Adams. I'm sure he had a gut feeling.
MM needs to get some probiotics and get whatever that is in his gut the hell out of there.
What you say makes sense plus it would have allowed him to keep Matt at first base. You can bet that MM will say Adams was 1 for 11 against Liriano and Moss 0 for 3 so he had to go with the #s. Not a good start for the Birds, the manager, or the GM and owner. It will be interesting to see what happens if Pham is out for awhile. My guess is they will sit on his injury for a few days then decide he is unable to play before they make a move. 1 game does not make a season and it looks very much like the last 2 seasons so I'm not going to get too excited until they fall 10 games under .500 then I will be yelling the sky is falling the sky is falling. Go Birds
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2016/4/3/11355152/tommy-pham-leaves-game-with-oblique-injury
Raise your hand if you read this article, and came away thinking...1. Pham has been dealing with the oblique for a while. 2. Pham's oblique is the reason Hazelbaker is on the roster.
Wait...Isn't this supposed to be the way all injuries are handled??? The other MLB teams don't do it this way?
I was wrong again about them sitting on the injury as they DL Pham today and brought up Diaz. My next prediction is that Wong will once again start tomorrow against a left hander and fail miserably. Didn't really see anything in the article that indicated Pham was hurt before yesterday.
Diaz needs to play everyday to see if he can and platoon Gerko and Wong. NM is right about Moss he should have been the sub to come in for Pham, but I do agree that MM plays his favorites and it looks like Moss doesn't fit that bill.
