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Trump's Desire To Eliminate The Johnson Amendment Is An Extremely Foolish Move

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On February 2nd America's God-Emperor Donald Trump made the obligatory appearance at the National Prayer Breakfast that is required of presidents. While most of his comments seemed to focus on a desperate attempt at humor, he did make one serious policy proposal: he told the crowd that he wants to repeal the "Johnson Amendment."

The Johnson Amendment, named after former president Lyndon Johnson, is the law that prohibits tax-exempt non-profits from engaging in political activity. Passed in 1954, when Johnson was a U.S. senator from Texas, the law statesthat churches and other tax-exempt organizations are

absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office.

Many right-wing churches have been aching to repeal the law for years, and now it seems they have found a champion in Trump. But, as the Associated Press reports, the issue cuts in many different directions.

Many predominantly African-American churches have long engaged in political activity that doesn't violate the Johnson Amendment, through things like "Souls To the Polls" and similar events designed to get black church-goers to vote. Since that type of activity doesn't directly support or endorse any particular candidate it is 100 percent legal.

Eliminating the Johnson Amendment would allow liberal churches to advocate for Democratic candidates, just like conservative ministers could openly support Republicans. But liberal black pastors have never pushed for repeal of the law like their conservative white counterparts have.

Many white evangelicals see the law as an unconstitutional restriction on their free speech. But there are also some on both sides who worry that eliminating the amendment will make churches into places where political campaigns drop "dark money" in exchange for endorsements. Currently political contributions are not tax-deductible, but donations to churches are. Releasing political donors from the restrictions of the Johnson Amendment could essentially turn churches into political money laundering operations during election season.

Reverend Raphael Warnock, the chief pastor at Atlanta's Ebenezer Baptist Church, the congregation once led by Martin Luther King, Jr., is concerned about eliminating the law. "This opens up a can of worms that would undermine the church's moral authority," he said.

It isn't completely clear from Trump's comments whether he understands that the Johnson Amendment is a law, not a policy or regulation. Which means the president can't get rid of it with an executive order. But Trump already has help in Congress. The day before he offered his remarks at the prayer breakfast, Oklahoma senator James Lankford and Georgia representative Jody Hice introduced legislation that would "fix" but not repeal the law.

The Hice-Lankford bill, called the "Free Speech Fairness Act," would allow churches to comment on candidates "in the ordinary course of the organization’s regular and customary activities." But that would effectively be the same as a repeal, because pastors would be free to criticize or endorse candidates based on their positions on virtually anything.

Supporters claim the bill also maintains the prohibition on 501(c)(3) non-profits, which includes churches, supporting or endorsing candidates. Sort of. A pastor would be free to endorse a candidate during his "regular and customary activities," e.g. a sermon, as long as his church doesn't incur more than "minimal" expenses in making the endorsement.

The idea behind the Johnson Amendment is simple: organizations that are not required to support the government via taxes have no right to express their opinions as an organization on who they would like to see in charge. Individuals representing those organizations have always had the same free speech rights as everyone else as long as they only speak for themselves and not for their church or charity.

Eliminating the Johnson Amendment would be a big crack in the wall separating church and state in America. While in theory the change would affect both liberal and conservative churches equally, in practice it would open a floodgate of money from well-heeled conservative donors to right-wing congregations. The focus should be on getting money out of politics, and this would be a major step in the wrong direction.
 
On February 2nd America's God-Emperor Donald Trump made the obligatory appearance at the National Prayer Breakfast that is required of presidents. While most of his comments seemed to focus on a desperate attempt at humor, he did make one serious policy proposal: he told the crowd that he wants to repeal the "Johnson Amendment."

The Johnson Amendment, named after former president Lyndon Johnson, is the law that prohibits tax-exempt non-profits from engaging in political activity. Passed in 1954, when Johnson was a U.S. senator from Texas, the law statesthat churches and other tax-exempt organizations are

absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office.

Many right-wing churches have been aching to repeal the law for years, and now it seems they have found a champion in Trump. But, as the Associated Press reports, the issue cuts in many different directions.

Many predominantly African-American churches have long engaged in political activity that doesn't violate the Johnson Amendment, through things like "Souls To the Polls" and similar events designed to get black church-goers to vote. Since that type of activity doesn't directly support or endorse any particular candidate it is 100 percent legal.

Eliminating the Johnson Amendment would allow liberal churches to advocate for Democratic candidates, just like conservative ministers could openly support Republicans. But liberal black pastors have never pushed for repeal of the law like their conservative white counterparts have.

Many white evangelicals see the law as an unconstitutional restriction on their free speech. But there are also some on both sides who worry that eliminating the amendment will make churches into places where political campaigns drop "dark money" in exchange for endorsements. Currently political contributions are not tax-deductible, but donations to churches are. Releasing political donors from the restrictions of the Johnson Amendment could essentially turn churches into political money laundering operations during election season.

Reverend Raphael Warnock, the chief pastor at Atlanta's Ebenezer Baptist Church, the congregation once led by Martin Luther King, Jr., is concerned about eliminating the law. "This opens up a can of worms that would undermine the church's moral authority," he said.

It isn't completely clear from Trump's comments whether he understands that the Johnson Amendment is a law, not a policy or regulation. Which means the president can't get rid of it with an executive order. But Trump already has help in Congress. The day before he offered his remarks at the prayer breakfast, Oklahoma senator James Lankford and Georgia representative Jody Hice introduced legislation that would "fix" but not repeal the law.

The Hice-Lankford bill, called the "Free Speech Fairness Act," would allow churches to comment on candidates "in the ordinary course of the organization’s regular and customary activities." But that would effectively be the same as a repeal, because pastors would be free to criticize or endorse candidates based on their positions on virtually anything.

Supporters claim the bill also maintains the prohibition on 501(c)(3) non-profits, which includes churches, supporting or endorsing candidates. Sort of. A pastor would be free to endorse a candidate during his "regular and customary activities," e.g. a sermon, as long as his church doesn't incur more than "minimal" expenses in making the endorsement.

The idea behind the Johnson Amendment is simple: organizations that are not required to support the government via taxes have no right to express their opinions as an organization on who they would like to see in charge. Individuals representing those organizations have always had the same free speech rights as everyone else as long as they only speak for themselves and not for their church or charity.

Eliminating the Johnson Amendment would be a big crack in the wall separating church and state in America. While in theory the change would affect both liberal and conservative churches equally, in practice it would open a floodgate of money from well-heeled conservative donors to right-wing congregations. The focus should be on getting money out of politics, and this would be a major step in the wrong direction.
 
It is a stupid argument. I gave my opinion and that is it.

It's really not. It's just another attempt by Republicans to subvert the voting process. Not much different than trying to enforce voter ID laws, just another way of trying to rig the system.

Your opinion is stupid, but that's not new.
 
It's really not. It's just another attempt by Republicans to subvert the voting process. Not much different than trying to enforce voter ID laws, just another way of trying to rig the system.

Your opinion is stupid, but that's not new.

Yeah....why would we want to enforce voter ID laws, or for that matter any laws.
Geez. You guys are really out there.
 
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Yeah....why would we want to enforce voter ID laws, or for that matter any laws.
Geez. You guys are really out there.

If it was really about voter fraud it would be one thing, but it's an attempt at voter suppression and you know it. Or you would know it if you had a functioning brain with an IQ above double digits.
 
If it was really about voter fraud it would be one thing, but it's an attempt at voter suppression and you know it. Or you would know it if you had a functioning brain with an IQ above double digits.

Don't you have a Starbucks to burn?

This argument is insane. Any person wanting the right to vote should have to do certain things in order to have that right.
 
Don't you have a Starbucks to burn?

This argument is insane. Any person wanting the right to vote should have to do certain things in order to have that right.

Yes, be an American citizen who isn't a felon and registered to vote. Those are the requirements.

The amount of preventable voter fraud in the last 6 elections is still smaller than your IQ. It's NOT an issue.
 
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Yes, be an American citizen who isn't a felon and registered to vote. Those are the requirements.

The amount of preventable voter fraud in the last 6 elections is still smaller than your IQ. It's NOT an issue.

If someone is an American citizen who isn't a convicted felon and they are registered, then they get to vote.

When have I ever said otherwise?

Now go ahead and reply again with another insult if you like.
 
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If someone is an American citizen who isn't a convicted felon and they are registered, then they get to vote.

When have I ever said otherwise?

Now go ahead and reply again with another insult if you like.

WCS, good to hear :oops:from you again.
You will have to excuse Gubba, he is just another liberal nut on this site looking for someone to agree with.
Libs are so easy to beat...:cool:
 
If someone is an American citizen who isn't a convicted felon and they are registered, then they get to vote.

When have I ever said otherwise?

Now go ahead and reply again with another insult if you like.

And you want voter ID to suppress the minority vote.
 
We want voter ID to ensure the voters are actually able to cast that vote. If minorities aren't eligible then it would suppress that vote otherwise, there is no reason it would.
 
We want voter ID to ensure the voters are actually able to cast that vote. If minorities aren't eligible then it would suppress that vote otherwise, there is no reason it would.

The amount of preventable voter fraud that actually occurs is so small that it's not worth it.
 
He obviously thinks they are too lazy or too stupid to get an ID in order to vote, Otherwise why is there an argument?
 
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He obviously thinks they are too lazy or too stupid to get an ID in order to vote, Otherwise why is there an argument?

Who are? This could literally suppress the vote of almost anyone.

So please, who do you mean when you say "they"?
 
Who are? This could literally suppress the vote of almost anyone.

So please, who do you mean when you say "they"?

Anyone too lazy or stupid to get ID. It isn't a racial requirement. It isn't an economic requirement. It isn't a status requirement. It is a common sense requirement.
 
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The 'they" is the same "they" you were speaking of. Geez man...are you really that stupid?

Who is that? Please don't assume you know what I'm talking about because you prove over and over again that you have little to no clue what anyone means.

So again, who is this "them" you're talking about?
 
Who is that? Please don't assume you know what I'm talking about because you prove over and over again that you have little to no clue what anyone means.

So again, who is this "them" you're talking about?

You really are a goof, but I'll get out the colors for you.
The "they" is idiot not capable of meeting the requirements. Here is a news flash for you ....the more you ramble, the more you appear to be one of "them".
 
You really are a goof, but I'll get out the colors for you.
The "they" is idiot not capable of meeting the requirements. Here is a news flash for you ....the more you ramble, the more you appear to be one of "them".

And yet I vote every election...

You're one of those people who, no matter how much money you aquire, don't realize that money can't buy class.
 
why don't you stick to the issue that "you" think is so important. Please explain in great detail why someone who is interested in exercising their right to vote can't meet these very simple requirements?

and while you are at it......do it with some of that "class" money can't buy.
 
why don't you stick to the issue that "you" think is so important. Please explain in great detail why someone who is interested in exercising their right to vote can't meet these very simple requirements?

and while you are at it......do it with some of that "class" money can't buy.

I already have, there is no need for voter ID. They meet the requirement already, be an American citizen who isn't a felon and registered to vote.

What is the point in adding an additional step when there is no proof of widespread, hell, not even of marginal amounts of voter fraud unless you are attempting to subvert the voting process?
 
why don't you stick to the issue that "you" think is so important. Please explain in great detail why someone who is interested in exercising their right to vote can't meet these very simple requirements?

and while you are at it......do it with some of that "class" money can't buy.

Are you sure you want to hear why he thinks everyone should get to vote?

This is his map of America...
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Just because you disagree with the idea doesn't mean that it's a bad one.

You claim it's to fix a problem, there's not evidence that a problem exists.

Which means either you're a stupid liberal pushing for an expansion of government for no good reason, or you have an ulterior motive...
 
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