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transgender rule for mshsaa?

higglcsports

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hearing that the transgender issue may have played a part in a team winning districts. Just assuming MSHSAA has no clue.
Anyone know if MO has a rule against biological boys playing as gals?

Do you want your daughter losing to a team who had a dominating boy (who is transitioning)? or losing a scholie to one?
 
Missouri’s current rules already prohibit transgender girls from competing on girls teams unless they have undergone at least a year of hormone therapy and continue taking medication to maintain their hormone levels.

MSHSAA requires transgender athletes to apply and submit documentation of medical care in order to compete as the gender with which they identify.

Further restrictions are being debated in this session in Jeff City
 
I've heard there are a TOTAL of 5 students who are transgender currently competing across all sports and genders in Missouri.
 
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not going to say what school it was until i confirm proof. i do find it totally ridiculous to allow boys (if you were born a boy, you are a boy), to play against girls. what are we doing here? no amount of hormone therapy will change a boy to a girl. none.
 
I'll say this... of all the transgender children I know (maybe a handful) if you are worried about them having any type of impact on a game you probably need to reassess things.
 
hearing that the transgender issue may have played a part in a team winning districts. Just assuming MSHSAA has no clue.
Anyone know if MO has a rule against biological boys playing as gals?

Do you want your daughter losing to a team who had a dominating boy (who is transitioning)? or losing a scholie to one?
If your daughter is losing a "scholie" to a transitioning female (which isn't happening) maybe your daughter needs to get better.
 
I agree this would very rarely be an issue. However if it ever is an issue there is no way for a girl to work hard enough to be as good as a boy.
 
I agree this would very rarely be an issue. However if it ever is an issue there is no way for a girl to work hard enough to be as good as a boy.
In MO agree. Not so sure about coastal states these days but that is for them to sort out..............
 
I agree this would very rarely be an issue. However if it ever is an issue there is no way for a girl to work hard enough to be as good as a boy.
Agreed. Not necessarily something to “worry” about, but if ever faced with it then it becomes an issue to be dealt with. I deal with a lot of stuff that I never worry about, if that makes sense.
 
I'll say this... of all the transgender children I know (maybe a handful) if you are worried about them having any type of impact on a game you probably need to reassess things.
Personally, worry seems strong. Wouldn’t give it much thought in an athletic forum until faced with the issue. If pressed on what to worry about when faced with trans CHILDREN issues, I’d probably worry more for the parenting that child is getting. Somewhere an adult had to sign off on the transition. Man, I’m the least religious and one of the more socially liberal people around. That’s just a big ball of wax there.
 
I'll say this... of all the transgender children I know (maybe a handful) if you are worried about them having any type of impact on a game you probably need to reassess things.
You are wrong. I stated it played a factor in a team winning districts. The alleged transgender athlete was really good. As a sophomore she got her 1000 point that night, and the team won by the ship by 30. So you don’t think a transgender athlete can’t dominate girls? You must not be watching the news much.
 
You are wrong. I stated it played a factor in a team winning districts. The alleged transgender athlete was really good. As a sophomore she got her 1000 point that night, and the team won by the ship by 30. So you don’t think a transgender athlete can’t dominate girls? You must not be watching the news much.
Help me sort this out. Not sure why we have to be so ambiguous about it. So a boy that is or has transitioned to a girl is playing on a girls HS team in MO? And that player has scored 1000 points in two years? And their team won district? If yes to those…Is there a reason we can’t identify the school and/or player? If nothing else, I’m damned curious.
 
Someone mentioned losing a scholie not being an issue…

10 years ago in California, a 52 year old, 6’6 man played ball as a transitioning female and was a starter on Mission College’s women’s team.
I’d say someone lost a spot or a scholie in that situation.
 
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Someone mentioned losing a scholie not being an issue…

10 years ago in California, a 52 year old, 6’6 man played ball as a transitioning female and was a starter on Mission College’s women’s team.
I’d say someone lost a spot or a scholie in that situation.
My first couple years coaching I found out, as a 24 yr old, I’d have been a pretty damned good HS girls basketball player.
 
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Why? It’s honestly about hoops. There’s not really been too much of a political angle. I’d say it’s at least conversation worthy on a basketball board. Now, you can have the argument if it’s a girls or boys board topic I suppose. 🤷‍♂️
The new Trans board yes!
 
Help me sort this out. Not sure why we have to be so ambiguous about it. So a boy that is or has transitioned to a girl is playing on a girls HS team in MO? And that player has scored 1000 points in two years? And their team won district? If yes to those…Is there a reason we can’t identify the school and/or player? If nothing else, I’m damned curious.
Same. My guess is Higg probably heard this story from the same person that told them they have litter boxes in schools for kids that want it.
Name the school Higg or stop telling lies.
 
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okay,,,,,,,,school was Captain dirty mullet high school / bosco charter country day

uhh....not really
 
okay,,,,,,,,school was Captain dirty mullet high school / bosco charter country day

uhh....not really
For the record, it took me about three minutes to figure out who you were talking about. And even with the passage of the senate bill today, i think this young lady will still be able to beat your team again next year in districts.
 
For the record, it took me about three minutes to figure out who you were talking about. And even with the passage of the senate bill today, i think this young lady will still be able to beat your team again next year in districts.
Ok...So University Academy Charter has a female that was once a male (sorry, I have no clue how to word without being accurate while not being offensive) playing? Said player is a sophomore that has scored 1000+ points in two seasons? I mean, I think it's at least a topic. Right? That's a pretty rare feat. Does that player have a decided advantage given their genetic makeup?

Btw...That was exhausting. I'm still not sure why you can't just talk about the situation with specifics.
 
At least tell us what class it took place in?
Given the name of the OP (higglcsports) and the reply from CaptainMullet about the district win again next year or whatever he said...I deduced we were referring to Lafayette Co HS (Higginsville) who lost to UAC in district finals this year. I could be wrong, just my internet detective "skills" at work.
 
Here's my question... what if it was a female who is transitioning to male... do they play female sports or male?
 
Here's my question... what if it was a female who is transitioning to male... do they play female sports or male?
Well, Britney Griner and Serena Williams always played against females, soooooooo...I keed, I keed. Sort of. I guess I'm just simple-minded enough to say whatever your birth gender is, is the gender you carry through athletics. Like many have pointed out, I'm not sure it happens enough to be a huge issue. And I would assume, in the most objective viewpoint, that certainly offers the least competitive advantage. Not to mention the PED aspects of hormone therapy in the female to male transition.
 
Well, Britney Griner and Serena Williams always played against females, soooooooo...I keed, I keed. Sort of. I guess I'm just simple-minded enough to say whatever your birth gender is, is the gender you carry through athletics. Like many have pointed out, I'm not sure it happens enough to be a huge issue. And I would assume, in the most objective viewpoint, that certainly offers the least competitive advantage. Not to mention the PED aspects of hormone therapy in the female to male transition.
So females can't play football?

I don't know the answers to this 'problem'.

Take the politics out of it and it goes away but that's not going to happen. Both sides of the liberal parties use stuff like this to stir the pot and get their 'team' agitated.
 
So females can't play football?
I mean, they can I suppose. Only if they're a "kicker" for Vandy and ESPN wants to get extra woke that week. Tongue in cheek, kinda. Again, I'm just simple-minded enough to think a female competing as a male isn't a competitive advantage. A male competing as a female certainly is. I know that's not popular thinking, but it's literally based in genetics and athletic science.
I don't know the answers to this 'problem'.

Take the politics out of it and it goes away but that's not going to happen. Both sides of the liberal parties use stuff like this to stir the pot and get their 'team' agitated.
I agree with this completely, sort of. I don't know the answer. Not sure there's a good one. Idk about the politics part of it though. I've got a couple of daughters. I wouldn't be terribly happy if they had to compete with males in SERIOUSish athletics.

Here's the best example I could give. At one time, I was a pretty damned decent golfer. Never good enough to make a living at it, but pretty solid. Some lower level D1 interest and could've (read should've) been a member of a D2 national champion. I had enough financial backers at one time to try to make a go of it professionally (please don't think PGA tour, certainly mini tour stuff), but I knew I wasn't good enough. Had I been competing as a female, I'd have played professionally for a long time. I've played with a few ladies that spent some time cashing checks on the LPGA. I'm not belittling them at all, because it really is apples to oranges...but I took more cash than I lost. There's just a big time advantage. And it's genetics. For whatever reason, in my simple mind, this is why the street only goes one direction. While it may not be equal, I think it's fair, again IMHO.

FWIW, I really enjoy these conversations. I don't think it's going away. And part of why I like them I think is because of what you said, not knowing the answers.
 
I mean, they can I suppose. Only if they're a "kicker" for Vandy and ESPN wants to get extra woke that week. Tongue in cheek, kinda. Again, I'm just simple-minded enough to think a female competing as a male isn't a competitive advantage. A male competing as a female certainly is. I know that's not popular thinking, but it's literally based in genetics and athletic science.

I agree with this completely, sort of. I don't know the answer. Not sure there's a good one. Idk about the politics part of it though. I've got a couple of daughters. I wouldn't be terribly happy if they had to compete with males in SERIOUSish athletics.

Here's the best example I could give. At one time, I was a pretty damned decent golfer. Never good enough to make a living at it, but pretty solid. Some lower level D1 interest and could've (read should've) been a member of a D2 national champion. I had enough financial backers at one time to try to make a go of it professionally (please don't think PGA tour, certainly mini tour stuff), but I knew I wasn't good enough. Had I been competing as a female, I'd have played professionally for a long time. I've played with a few ladies that spent some time cashing checks on the LPGA. I'm not belittling them at all, because it really is apples to oranges...but I took more cash than I lost. There's just a big time advantage. And it's genetics. For whatever reason, in my simple mind, this is why the street only goes one direction. While it may not be equal, I think it's fair, again IMHO.

FWIW, I really enjoy these conversations. I don't think it's going away. And part of why I like them I think is because of what you said, not knowing the answers.
I have to believe the vast majority of the folks out there feel this same way. It's simple common sense.
 
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