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Tracing. Kindergarten level.

Duck_walk

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The U.S. reaction to covid-19 lacked presidential leadership from the beginning. The basics of pandemic response are not a mystery.

The country needed a national strategy of testing, tracing and quarantine, including the systematic provision of tests and tracing support where needed. But for months, the United States lagged badly behind the world in testing (and remains far behind Germany and Italy).

And out of an estimated national need for 100,000 to 300,000 contact tracers, a recent National Public Radio survey of states found 7,062 currently employed. (South Africa, by way of comparison, has about 28,000 contact tracers.)

This is utter failure by any measure. A pandemic cannot be confronted by the patchwork policies of states, cities and counties.

Those divisions mean nothing to the virus. We needed a national effort to provide tests. We need national standards and detailed guidance on economic reopening — not the vague, dumbed-down version the administration dumped on the states. We need federal support, guidance and monitoring to ensure that contact tracing is done well.

One expert on epidemiology told me via email: “I recently listened to a National Academy of Sciences event on covid-19. The head of the Chinese [Center for Disease Control and Prevention] mapped out what they did and how they are approaching reopening — all from a national perspective. A number of European countries also have sophisticated strategies. It makes what the U.S. is doing look like a kindergarten homework assignment. Appalling. Just appalling.”
 
The U.S. reaction to covid-19 lacked presidential leadership from the beginning. The basics of pandemic response are not a mystery.

The country needed a national strategy of testing, tracing and quarantine, including the systematic provision of tests and tracing support where needed. But for months, the United States lagged badly behind the world in testing (and remains far behind Germany and Italy).

And out of an estimated national need for 100,000 to 300,000 contact tracers, a recent National Public Radio survey of states found 7,062 currently employed. (South Africa, by way of comparison, has about 28,000 contact tracers.)

This is utter failure by any measure. A pandemic cannot be confronted by the patchwork policies of states, cities and counties.

Those divisions mean nothing to the virus. We needed a national effort to provide tests. We need national standards and detailed guidance on economic reopening — not the vague, dumbed-down version the administration dumped on the states. We need federal support, guidance and monitoring to ensure that contact tracing is done well.

One expert on epidemiology told me via email: “I recently listened to a National Academy of Sciences event on covid-19. The head of the Chinese [Center for Disease Control and Prevention] mapped out what they did and how they are approaching reopening — all from a national perspective. A number of European countries also have sophisticated strategies. It makes what the U.S. is doing look like a kindergarten homework assignment. Appalling. Just appalling.”


“This is utter failure by any measure. A pandemic cannot be confronted by the patchwork policies of states, cities and counties.”

States have done individual freedom. It is called Federalism. Missouri’s policy isn’t identical to Michigan and that is a good thing.
 
Currently, “if you include New York, it looks like a plateau moving down.” “If you exclude New York, it’s a plateau slowly moving up.”
 
“This is utter failure by any measure. A pandemic cannot be confronted by the patchwork policies of states, cities and counties.”

States have done individual freedom. It is called Federalism. Missouri’s policy isn’t identical to Michigan and that is a good thing.

States wanted guidance. They needed guidance. Instead there are 50 different plans. How has it worked out compared to other countries? Have we shut this thing down? Get a grip on reality.
 
States wanted guidance. They needed guidance. Instead there are 50 different plans. How has it worked out compared to other countries? Have we shut this thing down? Get a grip on reality.
There has been plenty of guidance. That does not mean all 50 states plans have been identical. California has done a much superior job of handling this than has NY for example. Pretty sure Newsom didn’t force nursing homes to take people with the virus.
The US has handled this much better than Italy or Spain. There haven’t been rest homes literally abandoned with people left to die and even Diblasio didn’t ask his citizens to go hug someone from China to prove they aren’t xenophobic.

Honestly outside of the NYC metro area and a few hot spots it has been handled pretty well. If anything the country has been shut down too long. Sweden never really shut down and they have had less deaths the whole time then NYC area had on its worst day.
 
Sweden has 57 people per square mile. NYC has 27,000 people per square mile. Apples and oranges.
 
We just went over this a few weeks back. Sweden has an inordinate amount of people who live alone, a high percentage of high speed internet availability and tons of telecommuters.

The Swedish gov also urged social distancing and unlike our knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, gun toting, confederate flag wavers, the Swedes cared enough to follow rules.
 
We just went over this a few weeks back. Sweden has an inordinate amount of people who live alone, a high percentage of high speed internet availability and tons of telecommuters.

The Swedish gov also urged social distancing and unlike our knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, gun toting, confederate flag wavers, the Swedes cared enough to follow rules.
Waste of time arguing with a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, gun toting, confederate flag waver.
 
Waste of time arguing with a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, gun toting, confederate flag waver.

Man you really do have a lot of hate and bias in your heart...sad you probably don't even realize it.

If you look at the County by County map the area's that you are talking about have a much lower rate of C-19 than the so called sophisticated area's that you are making excuses for. Rural area's normal lifestyles clearly didn't need the heavy handed approach's that have been taken. They realize that...It is laughable that the Urban area's that have the issues point their fingers at the rural area's who have minimal issues.
 
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Man you really do have a lot of hate and bias in your heart...sad you probably don't even realize it.

If you look at the County by County map the area's that you are talking about have a much lower rate of C-19 than the so called sophisticated area's that you are making excuses for. Rural area's normal lifestyles clearly didn't need the heavy handed approach's that have been taken. They realize that...It is laughable that the Urban area's that have the issues point their fingers at the rural area's who have minimal issues.

There is a long list of small towns where this thing just exploded. Nebraska. South Dakota. have smaller cities hit hard. It’s still the second inning and we are playing a double header.
 
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Senate is gone. Trump is gone. Stick a fork in the Republican Party.
 
I refuse to fall into that trap again. Don't forget they got Russia on their side.

Trump haters are going to swarm the polls like locusts. It will be the most united America has been in decades. I’m not a big fan, but I agree with James Carville. Covid-19 doesn’t even matter. The Dow can be at 35,000. Trump is going to get tossed out on his ear.
 
Trump haters are going to swarm the polls like locusts. It will be the most united America has been in decades. I’m not a big fan, but I agree with James Carville. Covid-19 doesn’t even matter. The Dow can be at 35,000. Trump is going to get tossed out on his ear.
I hope and pray that you are correct my friend
 
Well that’s because every death now is labeled as Covid.
Maybe you should find it more concerning that the #1 cause of death in the US right now is COVID-19? Like, we talk about a war on cancer, heart disease, whatever...something you and I never heard of 6 months ago is currently the #1 killer of Americans on a daily basis.
 
Pretty sure Trump didn’t hide in his basement for most of 2016, like him or not.

A lot of people don’t like Trump but I think a lot are going to be scared to elect a grope machine with dementia..
What is Joe Biden supposed to do? I don't get this criticism. Where is he supposed to go? Is he supposed to give a socially distanced press conference in the parking lot of a closed mall?
 
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Maybe you should find it more concerning that the #1 cause of death in the US right now is COVID-19? Like, we talk about a war on cancer, heart disease, whatever...something you and I never heard of 6 months ago is currently the #1 killer of Americans on a daily basis.
If they would quit classifying every death as presumed Covid 19 you'd have a point.
 
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