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Time to untether healthcare from employment

Stable_Genius

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16.8 million Americans in three weeks have lost their jobs. Many have lost their health insurance. It is time to restructure our system. This pandemic has proven that.
Tying healthcare to your employer made sense when it originally started. No longer.
 
16.8 million Americans in three weeks have lost their jobs. Many have lost their health insurance. It is time to restructure our system. This pandemic has proven that.
Tying healthcare to your employer made sense when it originally started. No longer.
Trump is Hitler. He's going to make millions off generic drug! He's killing a baJillions of people in Wuhan to San Fran.
 
Has cost thousands of lives in Europe. We will squash this thing not the wonderful socialist healthcare systems.
It's looking like we have an exceptional health care system. The best in the world. We have the most confirmed cases. Yet we have the lowest fatality rate. All the socialist are FOS. The healthcare system we have has done it's job in an unpredented pandemic. This won't be enough for the nimrods. They can't imagine their wrong. Yet. Facts are facts.
 
It's looking like we have an exceptional health care system. The best in the world. We have the most confirmed cases. Yet we have the lowest fatality rate. All the socialist are FOS. The healthcare system we have has done it's job in an unpredented pandemic. This won't be enough for the nimrods. They can't imagine their wrong. Yet. Facts are facts.

You might want to wait until this ends to make your judgments. It’s the 2nd inning in a 9 inning game. And it might be a double header.
 
I mean, he's making a real point about why employment related health care is pretty silly. Kicking people off health plans at the same time they lose income is a very suboptimal result for a society, especially at a time when there is simply not enough demand for labor to possibly reach full employment in jobs that offer decent health insurance.

If you were to design a health system from scratch, there's really no way you'd tie health care to employment in the way the US does for reasons like this plus the imposition it puts on companies to have to manage these plans. The dead weight loss for administering these programs on a company by company level is rough. It also unnecessarily ties people to jobs, lowering entrepreneurial opportunities. It's also an advantage for big businesses over small ones, given they can spread the cost of understanding and managing their plan over a larger population, plus they can better withstand variances in the cost of such benefits. Etc.

It's one thing to say the US shouldn't be single payer; it's another to pretend employer managed health plans are a good idea.
 
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I mean, he's making a real point about why employment related health care is pretty silly. Kicking people off health plans at the same time they lose income is a very suboptimal result for a society, especially at a time when there is simply not enough demand for labor to possibly reach full employment in jobs that offer decent health insurance.

If you were to design a health system from scratch, there's really no way you'd tie health care to employment in the way the US does for reasons like this plus the imposition it puts on companies to have to manage these plans. The dead weight loss for administering these programs on a company by company level is rough. It also unnecessarily ties people to jobs, lowering entrepreneurial opportunities. It's also an advantage for big businesses over small ones, given they can spread the cost of understanding and managing their plan over a larger population, plus they can better withstand variances in the cost of such benefits. Etc.

It's one thing to say the US shouldn't be single payer; it's another to pretend employer managed health plans are a good idea.
What the OP wants is MFA.
 
The real problem is the cost of healthcare at all levels. Insurance drives it up, entitlements, etc.

Your bill shouldn’t automatically cut in half because you are self-pay.

It shouldn’t be a variable cost. Bad for everyone.
 
I mean, he's making a real point about why employment related health care is pretty silly. Kicking people off health plans at the same time they lose income is a very suboptimal result for a society, especially at a time when there is simply not enough demand for labor to possibly reach full employment in jobs that offer decent health insurance.

If you were to design a health system from scratch, there's really no way you'd tie health care to employment in the way the US does for reasons like this plus the imposition it puts on companies to have to manage these plans. The dead weight loss for administering these programs on a company by company level is rough. It also unnecessarily ties people to jobs, lowering entrepreneurial opportunities. It's also an advantage for big businesses over small ones, given they can spread the cost of understanding and managing their plan over a larger population, plus they can better withstand variances in the cost of such benefits. Etc.

It's one thing to say the US shouldn't be single payer; it's another to pretend employer managed health plans are a good idea.

EXACTLY THE POINT.
 
I wonder what Health care system the U K has? Must not work since they have 80K Covid cases with 10K dead! Seems like all the European countries are running very high mortality rates. Wonder how our awful system compares?
 
I wonder what Health care system the U K has? Must not work since they have 80K Covid cases with 10K dead! Seems like all the European countries are running very high mortality rates. Wonder how our awful system compares?
It cost Canada 10% of the GDP
 
I wonder what Health care system the U K has? Must not work since they have 80K Covid cases with 10K dead! Seems like all the European countries are running very high mortality rates. Wonder how our awful system compares?
Mortality rates in this manner are nearly meaningless because everyone has substantially undertested, with the variance in undertesting being substantial from nation to nation. You should basically ignore the raw case counts worldwide. Is the UK's real case count 80k, 300k, 600k, or 900k? Is it 1 M, 2 M, 3M, or 7 M in the US? The only thing you can say is it is a lot more than the reported case count.

Death counts are too low, too, but they're probably closer to the mark in the aggregate. So you end up with places with 10% mortality rates because they missed 85% of the people who had the virus in the test counts.

You will see excess mortality in places where social distancing happened too late, which is not really a criticism of the health system. It's a criticism of the political system. Some of it is a bit unfair (Italy just got hit so fast) but the UK, in particular, had an astonishingly low increase in testing capabilities.
 
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Yeah and I need to clarify that’s how much health care in general cost Canada. Probably much higher now. Your post just reminded me of this.
Canada is in the ballpark of the rest of the developed world on health spend, although 10% of GDP feels a touch low for the EU median.
 
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